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Today's Topics:
1. Inline Six Harmonic Balancer Differences (Michael Bailey)
2. Re: Rusty rotors? (Mark Price)
3. Re: Rusty rotors? (farna@xxxxxxx)
4. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... (Mark Price)
5. Re: 4.0 Humpster for sale (Mark Price)
6. 64 Typhoon Project (KENT ANDERSON)
7. Re: Inline Six Harmonic Balancer Differences (Mark Price)
8. Re: 64 Typhoon Project (Mark Price)
9. Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle? (Mark Price)
10. Re: Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle? (Sandwich Maker)
11. Re: 64 Typhoon Project (Sandwich Maker)
12. For Sale, 1980 Spirit AMX (Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
13. Re: 64 Typhoon Project (Mark Price)
14. Re: 64 Typhoon Project (Sandwich Maker)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:04:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Inline Six Harmonic Balancer Differences
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060711140406.50876.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Here's a URL to a picture of the two balancers I am
talking about.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/route66rambler/Nashin%20on%20my%20Rambler/Project%20MollyFloggin/balancers.jpg
The top picture is the 1974 258 engine in Molly now.
The picture below is of the 1976 Jeep CJ 258.
The older balancer is thinner along the back rim than
the balancer in the bottom picture. I have 75 and 76
232's that both have the thick balancer, as well as
this 76 258. Also, you will notice that on the older
motor, the timing setup is on the passenger side, and
it was moved to the driver's side in later years. The
alternator bracket has a flange on the front side, so
I can't simply move the alternator to the other side
of the bracket, add washers, etc. For the moment I
just put Molly back together until I can locate what I
need. She is literally my daily driver, so I have to
have parts lined up before work begins.
mike
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 7:16:07 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rusty rotors?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: ROSS BLAIR <bigbad69@xxxxxxxxx>
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The humidity is high here in the summers at times and in the spring and fall most of the time. We kept it inthe garage last year untill fall, then my wife started leaving it outside so she could keep the car in the garage. A few wet rainy weeks and some snowy weather did them in pretty quick. I know it is from sitting outside as my American is in the garage 24/7 most weeks and the rotors are fine on it.
I'd like to build one more stall of garage, but I have to sneak that one in as we already have 3+ cars worth :] All full of cars and stuff!!! Right now we can get one daily driver inside to park!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- ROSS BLAIR <bigbad69@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Why are they getting so rusty? Is the humidity in WV that high, or are you parked on dirt or gravel. If moisture is coming up from the ground, you could put down some plastic under the front wheels as a vapour barrier. That trick works well for winter storage here, even on cement in a garage. If it's high humdity that's the problem, how about spraying the rotors with WD-40? You would have to clean them with brake cleaner before driving the Jeep again and probably have to remove the wheels to do a proper job. ( or move to Arizona :) )
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:17:15 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rusty rotors?
To: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
(AMC-List)
Message-ID:
<071120061417.1998.44B3B2EA000A4D42000007CE21603760210E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
Just make sure they are metallic pads then. Those should keep them ground down!
--
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Magazine" (AIM)
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-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> hmmm, not sure I like that idea??????????
> Seconds???????????
> I got a flat on the thing yesterday and had to change the tire roadside, drive
> it home on the spacesaver, put a new valve stem in and checked the brakes good
> while I had the wheel off. The rotors are toast. The outside is rusted in about
> a 1/3 of the way and the rear is full of pits and depressions. I think they
> could be turned, but it would be a stop gap repair and not worth it as there
> owuld be rust pits left and the next time it sat the problem would return.
> Looks like new rotors and pads for this one. I wonder what the best pad would
> be at grinding down the rust :] I know I've seen pads inthe past that would wear
> the rotors as fast as the pad wore down, That's waht this one needs! we only put
> about 5,000 a year on it, mostly in bad weather.
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 7:21:59 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Yeah, If I had reread the writing I would have caught the Three on the tree thing! OOPS!
Sounds like it is easy to get a title for it at least.
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Yes, its a manual - that's what I was referring to when I said "3 on the tree". I appreciate the tip in the carb. Perhaps someone on IFSJA can cough up some info specific to the Jeep application. As for titles, Michigan isn't so tough. You fill out the form, an officer comes to verify the VIN, then you just wait for the search to be completed (6 weeks or something) to find out if its stolen. =:O If its not, you get a new title - as if it was never missing.
>
> -Spro
>
> -------------- Original message
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 7:23:14 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 4.0 Humpster for sale
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <25041297.1152627794102.JavaMail.root@web20>
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So, how much RPM was it turning when you missed a gear!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Widiker wrote:
> A reciprocating part punched a 4x5 inch rectangular window through the
> side of the engine, sorry for my vagueness. It worked too well to have
> shot it.
>
> ~John
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:25:05 -0400
From: "KENT ANDERSON" <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 64 Typhoon Project
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000a01c6a4f5$ce136c40$6400a8c0@SONY>
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I'm getting kind of desperate for an engine/tranny for this '64 Typhoon project. I really don't want to part out the other Typhoon over this. It would be a shame to destroy one of the few real Typhoons left to build the first one up. I'm even thinking of possibly selling the second one, instead of restoring it, too.
I also need a rear seat back, windshield, rear window, and both side windows for this 64 Classic 2-door. I can still get a new windshield from SafeGlass, but it's $600. I'ld kinda like to avoid that one, if I can.
Also, I have available vinyl transfers for the gussets that rust away on the mid-60's classics. They can be applied to sheet metal, cut and folded on the lines, and welded to the fender/cowl. I have a couple of photos, if interested, let me know. This Typhoon project has taught me how to fold metal, weld, and cuss in six languages!
Hope someone can help with that engine/tranny deal. I really don't want to strip the other Typhoon of parts. It would be a blast to restore both, and the little lady and I could do cruises with his/hers Typhoons! (AND save one of the last few of 'em, too.)
Kenny
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 7:26:04 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Inline Six Harmonic Balancer Differences
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <23160932.1152627964767.JavaMail.root@web20>
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I hope that balancer stays together. I had one take out a radiator and fan once when the outer ring flew off. I should have some here, but I'm not exactly close.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Here's a URL to a picture of the two balancers I am
> talking about.
>
> http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/route66rambler/Nashin%20on%20my%20Rambler/Project%20MollyFloggin/balancers.jpg
>
> The top picture is the 1974 258 engine in Molly now.
> The picture below is of the 1976 Jeep CJ 258.
>
> The older balancer is thinner along the back rim than
> the balancer in the bottom picture. I have 75 and 76
> 232's that both have the thick balancer, as well as
> this 76 258. Also, you will notice that on the older
> motor, the timing setup is on the passenger side, and
> it was moved to the driver's side in later years. The
> alternator bracket has a flange on the front side, so
> I can't simply move the alternator to the other side
> of the bracket, add washers, etc. For the moment I
> just put Molly back together until I can locate what I
> need. She is literally my daily driver, so I have to
> have parts lined up before work begins.
> mike
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 7:42:07 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Typhoon Project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Don't panic, a 69 232 is sitting here in my shed for Free if you can arrange to get it. If someone knows how to take care of palleting and shipping one and could talk me thru it I may be able to do that too, but I would need to charge for materials and such. If I was sure you could get good runing stuff out of it, I'd offer you the driveline from my 65 990H and you could build a 327 Monsoon!
Also, have you considered one stock, one modified! You've done nice owrkon the one I've seen pics of. Do a stock body build, the modern driveline, don't cut it up and you can always return it to stock later. Frank S. can talk you thru a bolt in rear axle setup IIRC. You may have to weld up a few holes to return it to stock. But they would be underneath and would not require outer bocy work or paint.
I figured somethign was up as I hadn't heard from you.
The heater stuff is still here too. I have a complete NON A/C set of boxes.
The A/C car has a frozen fan motor and a hole in the fan box on the engine side [repairable fiberglas] I sprayed the doors and pivot points and they need cleaned and have some rust on them, but all work.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm getting kind of desperate for an engine/tranny for this '64 Typhoon project. I really don't want to part out the other Typhoon over this. It would be a shame to destroy one of the few real Typhoons left to build the first one up. I'm even thinking of possibly selling the second one, instead of restoring it, too.
> I also need a rear seat back, windshield, rear window, and both side windows for this 64 Classic 2-door. I can still get a new windshield from SafeGlass, but it's $600. I'ld kinda like to avoid that one, if I can.
> Also, I have available vinyl transfers for the gussets that rust away on the mid-60's classics. They can be applied to sheet metal, cut and folded on the lines, and welded to the fender/cowl. I have a couple of photos, if interested, let me know. This Typhoon project has taught me how to fold metal, weld, and cuss in six languages!
> Hope someone can help with that engine/tranny deal. I really don't want to strip the other Typhoon of parts. It would be a blast to restore both, and the little lady and I could do cruises with his/hers Typhoons! (AND save one of the last few of 'em, too.)
>
> Kenny
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 7:58:20 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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well, it seems that after I sent him 4 emails starting Sunday evening.
One from this address
One from my work address
Two thru eBay
He shipped The T-5 out yesterday afternoon.
Well, to be fair he entered the info into FedEx's system at 3:48 am yesterday morning. It wasn't actually moving in their hands until 4PM though.
It shows 90lbs, so lets hope he didn't ship me a pile of Bricks!
I hope it is not tore up too bad.
Ironic thing is I opened up either Carcraft or Hotrod last night. I forget which and there is an Article about T-5s and they used D&D for their parts source! This is supposed to be a D&D build.
Now I figure I'll fool around and break the rear axle.
I found out that a Late model two wheel drive S10 axle is only 54" wide, but it only has a 7 5/8" ring, slightly larger than the 7 9/16" AMC-15 itis available with vented discs too and there are a bunch of them around fairly cheap. Plus it can be had with 3:42 gears. The spring perches would need moved and 1" wheel spacers would put it back at correct width or deeper dish wheels. I'm just thinking on this for now as one step at a time is good enough. Anyone have any thoughts?
Stock 69 American axle width is supposed to be 56" correct?
Pluses are
One piece axle
vented disc
Internal drum ebrake on the discs
Posi
Minuses
2" too narrow
Move spring perches
Small ring, but I've never broken the stock AMC15
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:27:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200607111527.k6BFRaw18120@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" He shipped The T-5 out yesterday afternoon.
" Well, to be fair he entered the info into FedEx's system at 3:48 am yesterday morning. It wasn't actually moving in their hands until 4PM though.
" It shows 90lbs, so lets hope he didn't ship me a pile of Bricks!
that's about the right weight...
" I found out that a Late model two wheel drive S10 axle is only 54"
" wide, but it only has a 7 5/8" ring, slightly larger than the 7 9/16"
" AMC-15 itis available with vented discs too and there are a bunch of
" them around fairly cheap. Plus it can be had with 3:42 gears. The
" spring perches would need moved and 1" wheel spacers would put it back
" at correct width or deeper dish wheels. I'm just thinking on this for
" now as one step at a time is good enough. Anyone have any thoughts?
s-10s were available with 4.3 v6s - might they have had the bigger
8.5" diff? or could it have come with a tow/hd pkg etc?
what about astro vans? they were loosely based on the s-10.
" Stock 69 American axle width is supposed to be 56" correct?
you're in luck -- '64-9 american amc15 is 55", amc20 is 55.3" - maybe
just wider wheels.
'73-6 dart/valiant 8.25" is 55.6". disk brake cars these years have
5x4.5" bolt circle... '91-up jeep axle tube ends are the same, so
maybe zj or newish wrangler/liberty rear disks would fit. lotsa 3.55
posi jeeps... lotsa '91-up with 8.25" axles... width for the xj and
afaik all jeeps is 60.75", though i don't know if this is flange-
flange or track with the deep-offset wheels. also, '95-up went to 29
spline halfshafts, but perhaps they could be shortened and resplined
to fit a late chuck in a dart housing.
" Pluses are
" One piece axle
" vented disc
fyi zj disks are solid, dunno about '04?-up wrangler/liberty
" Internal drum ebrake on the discs
" Posi
" Minuses
" 2" too narrow
1"
" Move spring perches
" Small ring, but I've never broken the stock AMC15
they must be pretty tough, to stand up to the 4.0 in the chunky zj.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:41:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Typhoon Project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200607111541.k6BFfvX18172@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Also, have you considered one stock, one modified? You've done nice
" work on the one I've seen pics of. Do a stock body build, the modern
" driveline, don't cut it up and you can always return it to stock
" later. Frank S. can talk you thru a bolt in rear axle setup IIRC. You
" may have to weld up a few holes to return it to stock. But they would
" be underneath and would not require outer body work or paint.
here's a thought: v8 rear and iron warner hooked to jeep 4.0 with
'67-'71 v8 converter housing and flexplate [knock the balance weights
off]. should pretty much drop in...
if you know a -really-good- tranny shop you could beef an aluminum
warner probably strong enough for this - i have australian notes that
call for some import bw51 and bw65 parts; the bw35 was used widely
with v8s 'dahn unda'. for a 4.0 you'd have to find converter housing
and flexplate used with a '67-'71 2bbl 290 or 304 with aluminum auto.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:48:15 -0500
From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] For Sale, 1980 Spirit AMX
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Located in St. Louis, Missouri, I am selling my 1980 Spirit AMX. Overall,
the car is in very nice condition, odometer reads 88,000 miles, red with
black interior, 360 4-v (stock), 4-speed, ps, pb, ac (needs clutch), and
tilt wheel. Asking $5,500. I have obtained another vehicle, and this one
is too nice to sit outside.
Please email me for pictures and additional information, or call
314-487-0349, evenings after 6:00pm.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:04:06 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Typhoon Project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Yeah, that would work, but for the trouble of finding the parts to keep the iron warner, I'd go 904-999 series trans and open driveline. would be much lighter weight than that iron slushbox! It's really not a bad trans, just not well respected and heavy. Of course right now, if'n someone wanted to come and retrieve the trans and axle, it's there for the taking. well as soon as I make sure I keep one with a posi in it if I have one :] well, maybe I'd better keep my mouth shut or next thing you know I'll need one! Although, if someone gets me to get rid of the spares and I need one, I'll have to do the Turbo 400! Now there's a light weight trans :] LOL!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " Also, have you considered one stock, one modified? You've done nice
> " work on the one I've seen pics of. Do a stock body build, the modern
> " driveline, don't cut it up and you can always return it to stock
> " later. Frank S. can talk you thru a bolt in rear axle setup IIRC. You
> " may have to weld up a few holes to return it to stock. But they would
> " be underneath and would not require outer body work or paint.
>
> here's a thought: v8 rear and iron warner hooked to jeep 4.0 with
> '67-'71 v8 converter housing and flexplate [knock the balance weights
> off]. should pretty much drop in...
>
> if you know a -really-good- tranny shop you could beef an aluminum
> warner probably strong enough for this - i have australian notes that
> call for some import bw51 and bw65 parts; the bw35 was used widely
> with v8s 'dahn unda'. for a 4.0 you'd have to find converter housing
> and flexplate used with a '67-'71 2bbl 290 or 304 with aluminum auto.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:18:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Typhoon Project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200607111818.k6BIIAO19228@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Yeah, that would work, but for the trouble of finding the parts to keep
" the iron warner, I'd go 904-999 series trans and open driveline. would
" be much lighter weight than that iron slushbox! It's really not a bad
" trans, just not well respected and heavy.
okay, for 'iron warner' sub 'ford fmx', if you could make the tt
adapter work. they were used up to '77 at least, and in probably
bigger volume that year alone than all of amc's autos. iirc you can
still get shift kits for them.
i was just noodling possibilities that wouldn't involve any cutting.
an open driveline with ladder bars wouldn't be much of a hack, but if
i was going that way i'd use either an aw4 or 42re with the 4.0.
unless the typhoon had a stick. then i'd want to do either a mustang
5.0 t5 or turbo supra r154 with the 4.0, if clutch linkage could be
squared away. i'm thinking the external-slave 4.0 bell could probably
be converted back to mech linkage with 'some fabrication'. and i'd
want to find some way to get the shifter up through the floor without
cutting any additional holes.
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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