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Today's Topics:
1. Rambler Cross Country Side Trim?
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
2. Re: Pacer Tranny (John Elle)
3. Re: Speaking of Suspensions-Now turbos (Mark Price)
4. 390V8 w/AT for sale $750 (Eddie Stakes)
5. 290V8 for sale (Eddie Stakes)
6. 66 Ambassador parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
7. Eagle wagon wanted/New York (Eddie Stakes)
8. AMX & Javelin parts for sale (Eddie Stakes)
9. 70-72 hiback buckets wanted (Eddie Stakes)
10. console wanted/Gremlin/Hornet (Eddie Stakes)
11. Pierre cardin Javelin for sale & Hornet wanted (Eddie Stakes)
12. Re: Speaking of Turbos (John Elle)
13. Re: speaking of carburetors (Mark Price)
14. Disc rear interchanges/Was/Re: speaking of carburetors
(Mark Price)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:49:46 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Rambler Cross Country Side Trim?
To: <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01AA1A93@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Tuesday, November 7, 2006 11:06 AM
From: johnny kazek <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Michael Pell's "Big Ugly" 61 Rambler Cross Country and my 60 don't
have any chrome trim on the
sides
[1]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/johnnyzoom/ramblerstar
t.jpg . Mine shows no signs that it's been taken off, yet I've seen
pictures of same year and model with the trim. Anyone know the
story behind this, was it a package back then?
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Johnny, the "plain jane" models usually had no side trim. I believe the
trim levels were "Deluxe" (no side trim), "Super" (some side trim), and
"Custom" (a little more trim). Of course trim in the interiors went up
with the levels. Note that I may have "Super" and "Custom" in reverse
order -- going from memory here! I do know that the "Deluxe" was
anything but -- it was the base model.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:03:43 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pacer Tranny
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000c01c702c0$fd4fcbb0$40de0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Jim
SNIP
Hi guys...
1. Does a 75 258 Pacer have a lockup tranny.....
2. I have a 76 258 with auto attached....not sure what it came out
of....will it fit...is it a lockup
Thanks,
Jim
SNIP
The engine transmission combinations in a Pacer are exactly
the same as used in all other AMC cars. Thus they will
interchange.
The Lock Up Torque Converter packages in the 904 transmission
that is the transmission used with the I-6 engines was first used
in 1980. Even then, if you had a 1980 transmission it would bolt
up to your 1975 or 1976 engine exactly correct and bolt into your
car.
For example, I am using a 1975 Pacer 258 engine, a 1980 Spirit
Lock Up Torque Converter 904 and the MOPAR Fuel Injection
conversion designed for Jeep applications from 1981 and newer
in my 1980 Spirit.
It all bolts up, fits and passes smog. The only physical differences
that I see is the longer oil dip stick, the metal heater hose from
the Pacer which I kept 'cause I though it was cool and looked
good and one heat shield that was on the 1980 engine that
protected the drivers side back cts that was screwed into
the block from exhaust heat did not have a fitting on the
1975 engine, so I left it off. Also the Pacer Motor Mounts were
removed and Spirit Motor mounts installed.
SNIP
the only new thing should be the lockup switch.
(Andrew)
Snip
Andrew, sorry, but what do you mean by this, are you referring
to some kind of a physical switch? Or are you referring to the fact
that the gearing is lower in first and second and that the lock
up function would be present?
John
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:12:21 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Speaking of Suspensions-Now turbos
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20984279.1162941141112.JavaMail.root@web21>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
My cousin had a Early 60's valiant built with a 440 and the Frame rails and torsion bars still in place. No inner fenders or bracking that I can recall at all. I remember casue we all thought it was nuts! But it was bought built that way and it would twist and lift the left front higher than the right, but it never broke or failed. I don't know that I would have left it that way, but he did!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Swygert wrote:
> SMILE WHEN YOU SAY THAT!!
> But for sure, I have had a desire to build a turbo I-6 and I have a low
> Mileage 232 to serve as a base for one. I just wonder what it would take
> to
> screw together a 232 with a hair dryer that would embarrass a GN Buick.
> --------------------
>
> I don't know about embarrassing a GN, but it sure wouldn't take much to
> embarrass a lot of vehicles! But then Tom's got the setup needed to
> embarrass a GN. Just isn't easy to package an ex Indy engine in a car!
> The only thing I can come up with is an American or 63-65 Classic coupe
> (hmmm.... an old Typhoon coupe -- make it REALLY live up to the name!)
> with the left spring tower removed to make room for the turbo, which
> wouldn't be far over the tire.
>
> Leave the American rails by cutting the inner wheel wells off about an
> inch above the ral (make sure you leave the spot welds and a little
> extra) then bracing with 1" tubing. Use the lower control arms and
> crossmember from the American, and install struts (aftermarket early
> mustang kit or a modified Volvo or 280ZX strut) to eliminate the upper
> control arms. The upper strut mounts should clear the turbo, the upper
> control arm mounts are mostly in the way. I've seen this done on a
> Chrysler late 60s/early 70s Dart body in a drag car. I was surprised to
> see the factory rails in front, but looked like it was holding up well,
> and had been in use for several years. Owner said it would pick the
> front wheel up off the ground (built 440 -- I believe it!) and even with
> slamming down on occasion he'd never had any problems. The eight point
> roll cage helped though!
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:05:50 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 390V8 w/AT for sale $750
To: <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: cruisin71amx@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <014c01c702c3$74ba4070$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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390 4V Motor W/BW Automatic Complete Just pulled from '69 Javelin. Not a
running Motor. PS and AC and all Brackets $750.00 Located in Savannah, Ga.
area. Bill cruisin71amx@xxxxxxxxx 912-663-2272
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not mine, ya'll get ahold of Bill above if interested, thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:09:34 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 290V8 for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Jamesatkeson@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <014d01c702c3$75100190$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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complete 1968 290 2v motor runs need to be rebuilt new carb fule pump with
vacum pump and air cleaner allmost new hedman headers out of 68 javlin
600.00 firm James Atkeson jamesatkeson@xxxxxxx 785-937-4189
==========================
anyone interested in the above give James a shout, thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:13:51 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 66 Ambassador parts wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: PCrisitello@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <015001c702c3$7607f620$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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I am in need of the entire front suspension 66 Ambassador 990 Cross Country
Station Wagon NOS parts or a donor vehicle. Peter C.
PCrisitello@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cell: (732)491-3077
============================
anyone that can help out give them a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:11:54 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Eagle wagon wanted/New York
To: <baadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: moosenu@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <014f01c702c3$75bbaae0$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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EAGLE WANTED: Looking for 80s Eagle wagon. In NY state, would prefer
something relatively close, but let me know what you have and where. Mike
McTague moosenu@xxxxxxxxxx
===========================
anyone that can help out give Mike a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:16:54 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX & Javelin parts for sale
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Linda Tyro <linda.tyro@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <015101c702c3$76544160$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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i am selling one lot of useful amx javelin parts 68 69 70 presently on ebay
#200042452908.thanx Ed linda.tyro@xxxxxxxxxxxx 519 542 2832
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anyone interested in some of thier items search ebay auction above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:18:07 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 70-72 hiback buckets wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: rooster700xc@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Looking for bucket seats from a 1970 AMX. I want these to put in my 1970
Gremlin (originally bench seat) so that I can cover them with Legendary
Automotive's Metallic Olive Green vinyl to match the rear seat. I'm also
looking for rocker panel trim from a 1968-1969 AMX. The seat covers don't
need to be in good condition, but should have good seat backs. Anybody
looking to get rid of any 1970-73 Gremlins or 68-70 Javelins in decent
condition within a reasonable distance from MN? Royce D
rooster700xc@xxxxxxxxxxx (218) 232-0762
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anyone that can help give them a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:10:38 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] console wanted/Gremlin/Hornet
To: <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: rapart2003@xxxxxxxxxxx
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I am looking for a wooden center AMC console (would fit between the bucket
seats of my Gremlin) - anyone out there have one for sale? Let me know i can
pay you immediately through PAYPAL or however you want. THANKS Tony Long
rapart2003@xxxxxxxxxxx
============================
anyone that might be able to help give him a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:19:21 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Pierre cardin Javelin for sale & Hornet wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: govnoglava@xxxxxxx
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WANTED: PIERRE CARDIN INTERIOR FOR JAVELIN or material WANTED? HORNET X
2DOOR HATCHBACK, any condition considered, nice condition preferred,
southern california preferable. FOR SALE: 1972 WILD PLUM PIERRE CARDIN
JAVELIN SST. original california car, 87k miles. 360 auto, loaded, magnums,
white landau split top w/c stripes. very nice. offers around $10k considered
tomo bullum govnoglava@xxxxxxx 562/927-7307 562/806-2986
====================================
anyone with a Hornet for sale or interested in the Javelin give them a shuot
above, thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:21:35 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Speaking of Turbos
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <001101c702c3$7c327bb0$40de0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
And doing a little noodling
SNIP
Leave the American rails by cutting the inner wheel wells off about an
inch above the ral (make sure you leave the spot welds and a little
extra) then bracing with 1" tubing. Use the lower control arms and
crossmember from the American, and install struts (aftermarket early
mustang kit or a modified Volvo or 280ZX strut) to eliminate the upper
control arms. The upper strut mounts should clear the turbo, the upper
control arm mounts are mostly in the way.
SNIP
This would be one approach, another would be to install Mustang II
package such as is being proposed that would end up with an upper and
lower control arm and coil overs. This could potentially eliminate the
spring towers completely leaving a lot of room there.
Another option would be to used some kind of a split manifold and dual
turbos so that one could be mounted forward and the other aft of the
suspension and use something like a late Concord body as they are still
somewhat easy to find. My preference at this time would be to use a
Concord Sedan 'cause if you are able to embarrass a GN it is better to
do it with a ulitarian 4 door that some thing that is cooler. Although I
would be forced to fill in those plug ugly windows in the rear sail
panel. It would also need to be treated to a weight reduction diet to
get into racing trim.
I can do a little welding so some fabrication is with in my reach. There
are plenty of turbo 2.2 Chryco K cars in junk yards for the source of 2
small turbos.
I dunno if I will ever do it, but it sure has been sitting there in the
back of my mind for a while. My parts bins keep getting filled up with
potential parts for this that seem to find their way into my garage.
I think I need to confer with Tom a bit also.
John.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:23:29 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] speaking of carburetors
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <28293762.1162941809850.JavaMail.root@web21>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
A lot of people have done this on purpose.
Run the wide rear axle and space the front spindles with solid chunk blocks of high grade aluminum or steel, then they run Late model mustang 17-18" wheels on all four corners. The Mustang Bullit wheels and tires can be picked up for $650 and look real close to Torque thrust wheels. The Guys are never happy when they buy the Mustangs, got to have something different! That leaves the Factory wheels available to those that want them at a good price!
You can also source wheels from Jeep XJ/Wrangler/ZJ and Ford Ranger/Exploders!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I could have sworn we measured the housing ends and they were the same? Not
> " a biggie!
>
> according to http://www.tsmmfg.com/Rear_Disc_Brake_Kits.htm pre-'90
> are the same as the amc20 and btw ford 'small bearing'; '90-up are
> mopar pattern. they don't show an amc15 pattern but i've seen it
> -somewhere-... if it happens to match the mopar... but i don't think
> it does.
>
> " Another thought is to get some FWD offset rims to run the XJ axle as is.
>
> why not eagle/xj rims? their offset is quite a bit more than
> 'regular' amc rims. remember the eagle's rear is pretty much a match
> for the xj's and it fits under the hornet-spirit body...
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:33:47 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Disc rear interchanges/Was/Re: speaking of
carburetors
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1496724.1162942427334.JavaMail.root@web21>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Didn't notice the subject till now, Not much said about Carbs!
On the same line I just did the front brakes on the 97 XJ today and after replacing the crusted rotors/Cracked split pads and cleaning things up I went to the rear drums, pulled them off and much to my surprise everything is spotless!
I also replace the F$%^#in trackbar too, Talk about a pain! I'm still in pain! Let alone fighting one of those off and on! Arg! My son helped and I swore.
Good thing is a few years back I bought a bunch of take off springs/Arms/shocks and a like new trackbar was in the pile! So I didn't have to buy a new one or repair the one on it!
The cost of a replacement track bar and new shocks would exceed what I paid for the takeoff stuf. I bought this stuff off of a 2000 with 10K on it back in 2001. Glad I kept it as I sold my 96 soon after.
Anyway, I drove the 97 and it stops like a new one again. I'll be skipping adding rear discs to it. I'm not fixing what ain't broke!
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I could have sworn we measured the housing ends and they were the same? Not
> " a biggie!
>
> according to http://www.tsmmfg.com/Rear_Disc_Brake_Kits.htm pre-'90
> are the same as the amc20 and btw ford 'small bearing'; '90-up are
> mopar pattern. they don't show an amc15 pattern but i've seen it
> -somewhere-... if it happens to match the mopar... but i don't think
> it does.
>
> " Another thought is to get some FWD offset rims to run the XJ axle as is.
>
> why not eagle/xj rims? their offset is quite a bit more than
> 'regular' amc rims. remember the eagle's rear is pretty much a match
> for the xj's and it fits under the hornet-spirit body...
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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