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Today's Topics:
1. Just when I thought it was safe... (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
2. Re: My "new" J-10 truck! (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
3. Re: Just when I thought it was safe...
(BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx)
4. Just when I thought it was safe... (johnny kazek)
5. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 72 (Justin Shelton)
6. Re: just when I thought it was safe (Eddie Stakes)
7. Fw: help please from Iraq (Eddie Stakes)
8. Re: Rear disc brakes (was: pulling an axle)
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
9. Re: 196 changes for 62? (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
10. Re: just when I thought it was safe (Tom Jennings)
11. Fwd: American Motors Specifications (Wolfgang Mederle)
12. Re: 196 changes for 62? (Tom Jennings)
13. CJ-10 starter (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
14. Re: CJ-10 starter (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:13:23 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Just when I thought it was safe...
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Well, just when I thought it was safe to bring home a parts car the wife takes one look at it and say, "Why can't you fix this one up for me?"
We won the auction on ebay for an '82 Concord four door, 258, auto, tilt, PB, PS, heated backlite, ight blue with matching valure interior. The right front corner has been hit, taking out the fender, headlights, grille, bumper and I'm sure other small pieces. No mechanical damage. The car runs and drives fine and has a ton of parts that could go into the '70 Hornet and the '83 Spirit.
Now what do I do? She wants the Concord and I want the parts! On one hand I see a car worth fixing and then out of the corner of my eye I see the Hornet waiting for a power disc brake conversion and a tilt column.
Jack
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:37:06 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] My "new" J-10 truck!
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Date: Sunday, October 29, 2006 09:44 PM
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
My J10 has the same trans and gears with a 258. Runs 1900 rpm at 60 in
4th.
Normal city driving uses 3rd a lot. 3rd in my trans is getting noisey.
I've also used 4lo without locking the front hubs for low speed
maneuvering.
Shifting from lo to hi on the move gets a nasty crunch from the transfer
case. I wouldn't recommend it as normal procedure. I have a set of 3.31
diffs from a Cherokee that would help things if I ever get around to
putting them in. :)
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3.31 gears would bring rpm @ 60 up to ~2300, or drop you to 50 mph @
1900 rpm. Not bad, and I know you'd like the better pulling power. I was
thinking a 3.08 would be sufficient -- ~2100 rpm @ 60. These things
really don't like to cruise over 2500 rpm stock (65 mph w/3.31 gears),
but of course will. A better cam would help that, but I'm not planning
on opening the engine anytime soon. A small 4V would be nice, and I'll
keep on the lookout for a used one. If I rebuild in 3-4 years, provided
rust hasn't started becoming an issue, I'll build a 4.0L, maybe even
another stroker. Might go ahead with a 4.0L exhaust manifold for now...
need an exhaust system! Couldn't find a vendor with pre-bent pipe for
sale though. Wanted to put it on myself and skip the cat.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:08:20 +0000
From: BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Just when I thought it was safe...
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
> Well, just when I thought it was safe to bring home a parts car the wife takes
> one look at it and say, "Why can't you fix this one up for me?"
>
> We won the auction on ebay for an '82 Concord four door, 258, auto, tilt, PB,
> PS, heated backlite, ight blue with matching valure interior. The right front
> corner has been hit, taking out the fender, headlights, grille, bumper and I'm
> sure other small pieces. No mechanical damage. The car runs and drives fine
> and has a ton of parts that could go into the '70 Hornet and the '83 Spirit.
>
> Now what do I do? She wants the Concord and I want the parts! On one hand I
> see a car worth fixing and then out of the corner of my eye I see the Hornet
> waiting for a power disc brake conversion and a tilt column.
>
> Jack
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Unless shes mechanically inclined,lie to her saying the motors shot and say its full of bondo lol
Bart M.
73 Gremlin 360/T10 Project
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:13:16 +0000
From: "johnny kazek" <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Just when I thought it was safe...
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Now what do I do? She wants the Concord and I want the parts! On one
hand I
see a car worth fixing and then out of the corner of my eye I see the
Hornet
waiting for a power disc brake conversion and a tilt column.
-- From my experience with the better half and project cars, this is
a no-brainer! Hook the lady up and chances are it'll be even safer
to bring home more odds and ends down the line.
_________________________________________________________________
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References
1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2749??PS=47575
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:32:48 -0800
From: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 72
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Frank:
Ah - you're getting at what I really wanted to know, which was whether some of my vast collection of NOS valves would work in my '60 head. I have 4 complete sets of exhaust valves and 3 of intake, but none match the part numbers for the '60 head. I'll take the box of valves into the guy who's rebuilding the head to see what he thinks.
I know that for '62 the 196 OHV head was redesigned somehow to make the engine more efficient and improve mileage, but I really do not know what they did. Anyone?
Incidentally, I have a number of sets of valves for the aluminium engine if anyone is interested.
- Justin
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:37:21 -0400
> From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] complete set for rebuilding a 196 head?
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> Kanter is probably the most cost effective. Egge Machine, and Rambler
> vendors like Blaser's and Galvin's will probably be a little more, but
> I'd try the AMC vendors first. If not much more I'd use them anyway.
>
> All the 196 OHV or L-head valves should be the same -- RESPECTIVELY.
> Can't mix OHV and L-head. If the length, diameter, and keepers match,
> they fit. You can actually fudge on the length a little due to the
> adjustable rockers, but I'd say no more than about +/- 0.05". That's a
> lot, actually, but hard to see that much. Nothing wron g with using
> another make valve that fits, but I doubt there is anyting with a valve
> head that fits that is the right length and diameter. You'd need guide
> work at the least.
>
> On October 27, 2006 Justin Shelton wrote:
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:20:28 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] just when I thought it was safe
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Jack, I would probably suggest you fix it up or her, as the parts to fix the
dent will be relatively easy to find. And keep the peace. In other words,
should you part it out, next time a AMC 'follows you home' she might not be
so understanding. Keep the old lady happy, you can always replace the cars
but not the old lady. I realize some of you might WANT to replace the old
lady however.
So maybe you let her 'name' the car, something like Bluebell or Bessie,
clean it, fix it and let enjoy AMC as much as you, sort of a pride of
ownership thing. It's worked with my wife Paige now for 18 years, she has
driven AMC's since we started living in sin in 88. (We are married long time
now though). You can find a tilt column and brake setup off something else
down the road. And best of all, you keep another AMC on the road. And the
old lady happy and interested in your hobby.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:42:28 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: help please from Iraq
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <farna@xxxxxxx>
Cc: MATTHEW HARKER <spongebob2225@xxxxxxxxx>
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Matthew is stationed in Iraq, and is looking for a part, if anyone can help him or point huim in the right direction quickly give them a shuot below, feel free to copy your reply to Matt and also the amc-list here, thanks in advance to all who reply and thanks Matt for serving our country.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
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----- Original Message -----
From: MATTHEW HARKER spongebob2225@xxxxxxxxx
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:52 AM
Subject: help please
Hello,
My name is Matthew Harker. I am a US Army soldier stationed in Iraq. I have come across a 1986 AMC CJ10 Air Force 4x2 aircraft towing vehicle. It has a I-6 desiel motor. It needs a new starter. Can you help? The starter has a 3 bolt crysler type flange. The markings on it say: 513-14 12V and has 977 stamped. It was manufactured in Japan. Any information would be helpful. Thanks
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:52:59 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rear disc brakes (was: pulling an axle)
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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They are most likely set up for standard GM front calipers. No need for
a park brake! The park brake calipers used on late 80s/early 90s GMs
will fit the same brackets, they're just a bit on the expensive side.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Price [mailto:markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 4:25 PM
What I like about the idea is a non welding person could install and set
these up.
Drill for the pin bolt then get them welded anywhere anytime. No towing,
no sweat.
The question that has not bee asked is what size rotors are these things
designed for?!!! I never looked, I'll have to checkout what the stock
car racers use.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:31:59 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 196 changes for 62?
To: <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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There was no major redesign of the 196 OHV head that I know of. Where d
id you get that info -- I don't know everything about the 196, this
might be new. The cam profile might have changed, but most likely it was
just a carb change and different tuning. AMC did change the cam bearings
for some odd reason around 64 (different size than earlier), and the oil
source for the head was changed around 63/late 62. Neither of those
changes should have affected efficiency or power. The mileage changes
could be rear gear related also. There was a change in mid 62 or
sometime in 63 to the casting technique -- castings were a little
thinner than older models. Maybe that's what you're thinking about? Like
you, if anyone knows anything more I'd like to hear it!
If the valve fits, use it!! ;>
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Date: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:32 AM
From: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
Frank:
Ah - you're getting at what I really wanted to know, which was whether
some of my vast collection of NOS valves would work in my '60 head. I
have 4 complete sets of exhaust valves and 3 of intake, but none match
the part numbers for the '60 head. I'll take the box of valves into the
guy who's rebuilding the head to see what he thinks.
I know that for '62 the 196 OHV head was redesigned somehow to make the
engine more efficient and improve mileage, but I really do not know what
they did. Anyone?
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:49:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] just when I thought it was safe
Cc: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Eddie Stakes wrote:
> Jack, I would probably suggest you fix it up or her, as the parts to fix the
> dent will be relatively easy to find. And keep the peace. In other words,
I'm wid eddie. Disk brakes are easy to find, and tilts less so,
but if your wife wants an AMC, that's good all by itself, right?!
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:49:44 +0100
From: Wolfgang Mederle <amclist2006@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fwd: American Motors Specifications
To: AMC List <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
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Listers,
if anyone of you can help Laura, please contact her directly at the
email address shown below.
Wolfgang
Begin forwarded message:
> From: lryckman@xxxxxxxxxxxx (Laura Ryckman)
> Date: 30. Oktober 2006 15:14:45 MEZ
> Subject: American Motors Specifications
>
> email: lryckman@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> subject: American Motors Specifications
>
> realname: Laura Ryckman
>
> text: Good morning,
> I am with Stant Manufacturing in Connersville, Indiana. We are an
> automotive company suppling fuel, oil, and raditaor caps, fuel
> system valves, thermostats, canisters, and several other automotive
> products. Our company has American Motors specifications called out
> on our prints. Since American Motors was purchased by Chrysler, do
> you know of a conversion list from American Motors specifications
> to Chrysler specifications? If you do not know, do you have
> contact information of someone that could assist me with this?
> Thank you so much for your time.
> Laura Ryckman
--
Wolfgang Mederle
Munich, Bavaria (Germany)
amclist2006@xxxxxxx
<URL:http://www.american-motors.de/>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:52:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 196 changes for 62?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM wrote:
> There was no major redesign of the 196 OHV head that I know of. Where d
> id you get that info -- I don't know everything about the 196, this
> might be new. The cam profile might have changed, but most likely it was
> just a carb change and different tuning. AMC did change the cam bearings
> for some odd reason around 64 (different size than earlier), and the oil
> source for the head was changed around 63/late 62. Neither of those
> changes should have affected efficiency or power. The mileage changes
> could be rear gear related also. There was a change in mid 62 or
> sometime in 63 to the casting technique -- castings were a little
> thinner than older models. Maybe that's what you're thinking about? Like
> you, if anyone knows anything more I'd like to hear it!
I hardly know anything about the 196, though I'm enamored with
the aluminum one.
But I do know that the aluminum 196 uses the same lifters and some
other valvetrain parts as the 232, so possibly the changes were
to accomodate a unified parts bin. Might be worth checking if
the late iron 196 cam bearings etc are similar to the 232 (maybe
differnt oil holes etc).
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:40:16 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] CJ-10 starter
To: <spongebob2225@xxxxxxxxx>
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I that's a Nissan SD33 diesel engine. Found this on a message board:
Re: Need oil dipstick for Jeep CJ10 Deisel
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It is the Nissan SD33 diesel. Some one took the oil dipstick. It's a
military surplus aircraft tow tug. It only has 2 wheel drive but AMC put
a TF727 trans with NP208 t-case.
It uses the transfer case for a lower gear. (no access from the jeep
inside)
It is supposed to have some sort of "block" installed to keep it from
entering 3rd gear. With the low range transfer it is supposed to have a
40 ton tow capacity.
I plan to drive it, if I can get more than 15 MPH.
(link to original message:
http://www.partsmike.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3057)
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:08:14 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] CJ-10 starter
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A few people on our local wheeling board have these. One is being parted out, so I will forward the link to that guy. In fact, 3 more were up for auction at Selfridge ANG in the past week. All you need are a 1980-up 8-lug D44 front from a J-20 and a 208J and you can drive it like a regular 4wd vehicle. They have Dana 70 rears with 4.88 gearing.
I have the axle and t-case, but no CJ-10a. :(
-Spro
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From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> I that's a Nissan SD33 diesel engine. Found this on a message board:
>
>
> Re: Need oil dipstick for Jeep CJ10 Deisel
> -----------------------------------------------------
> It is the Nissan SD33 diesel. Some one took the oil dipstick. It's a
> military surplus aircraft tow tug. It only has 2 wheel drive but AMC put
> a TF727 trans with NP208 t-case.
> It uses the transfer case for a lower gear. (no access from the jeep
> inside)
> It is supposed to have some sort of "block" installed to keep it from
> entering 3rd gear. With the low range transfer it is supposed to have a
> 40 ton tow capacity.
> I plan to drive it, if I can get more than 15 MPH.
> (link to original message:
> http://www.partsmike.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3057)
>
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