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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Re; Exhaust Manifold Mystery (Todd Tomason)
2. Re: My new 88 (Mark Price)
3. Re: Hot Rodding is dead (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
4. Re: Cherokee diesel? (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
5. Re: My new 88 (Keleigh Hardie)
6. Re: 1959 Rambler w/Diesel Motor - $1100 (Sandwich Maker)
7. Re: Megasquirted turbo Jeep 5.9 Limited (Widiker, John D)
8. Re: Hot Rodding is dead (Tom Jennings)
9. Re: My new 88 (Tom Jennings)
10. Re: Hot Rodding is dead (Widiker, John D)
11. Re: Hot Rodding is Dead (JOE FULTON)
12. .040 over 360 OK? (Andy&Tonja&Phoebe Ray)
13. Re: Hot Rodding is Dead (Mark Price)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:17:49 -0600
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Re; Exhaust Manifold Mystery
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The tranny and engine appear to have been original on the Matador. Hard to
know for sure, of course. The good news here is that the manifolds from the
Wagoneer will probably fit on the Matador. My son is wanting to use them
when he puts his 360 back in after he's rebuilt it.
Todd
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 09:59, John Elle wrote:
> Todd
>
> Here is another variation of an answer to this question.
> The intermediate body style (or compact depending on your definition
> that was announced in 1970) when used with the OEM V8 engine had to use
> the 1970 "Log" type manifold to clear the strut rod mounting bracket on
> the passenger side. This manifold was used originally only in 1970 on
> the Dog Leg cylinder heads for the V8. The cars are the Gremlin, Hornet,
> Concord and Spirit. All other AMC cars did not have this interference
> problem. The "Free Flow" exhaust manifolds were announced in 1971 and
> used supposedly exclusive on all other V8 applications to end of
> production. If you were to install a V8 in an I6 equipped Hornet etc.
> you either had to install the 1970 log type manifold on the passenger
> side or notch the strut rod mount for clearance. Both of these
> approaches have been done. The driver's side used the Freeflow manifold
> introduced in 1971.
> As any of the cars you have removed an engine from could have had some
> time in the past a replacement engine installed that was originally in
> one of the 4 cars with the interference problem that might be one source
> of how they got that way. As the exhaust systems are not interchangeable
> though but as some parts of the country such as where I live exhaust
> systems are primarily bent to fit replacing the exhaust system is not a
> difficult or even one that takes much thought.
> However periodically over the years I have run across reports of a
> second type of freeflow exhaust manifolds that are physically larger
> than the "normal" ones and when I do run across reports of them they
> seem to be found on early to mid 70's Jeep truck applications which is
> all I know about them.
> Last but not least, AMC has done some not quite understandable or
> logical OEM assembly practices that defy description periodically which
> in this case may have something to do with running out of parts at the
> moment a particular car goes down the line.
> While this is probably more information than you ever wanted to know, I
> hope it helps answer the question
> John
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 4:48:56 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] My new 88
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Congrats!
The slow engagement on reverse is a common condition.
If babied and not misstreated it will go a long way in that condition.
The biggest killer of the trans in the eagle , well in my opinon anyway, is the high start up idle and people not willing to wait a second and kick it off before dropping the trans in gear!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I nearly went through all of 2006 without buying a car but fell prey to the
> local Pick-n-Pull on the 30th. A low mile (144334 kms / 89630 mi.) beauty with a
> nasty transmission leak. VIN and body numbers both '1308' so it's about 1000
> cars from the last ever AMC. Built September 23rd 1987. Air, tilt, _no_ cruise.
> Turns out the transmission leak was a missing pressure plug. Reverse is slow to
> actuate but otherwise seems OK.
>
>
> http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r122/AMCKenA/88Eagleresize.jpg
>
> and here's why the tranmission was leaking.
>
> http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r122/AMCKenA/88Eagletransplug2resize.jpg
>
> and the date tag...
>
> http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r122/AMCKenA/88EagleMFGtag1resize.jpg
>
> Happy New Year
>
> Ken Ames
>
> 39Master85w.partscar,67Marlin,68AMX,70Machine,73Matador2drht,73Hornet4dsd,
> 73-74-75-76GremlinXs,75PacerX,76Hornet2dsd,77Matadorcpe,2-77AMXs,78AMX,
> 78Gremlin,78GremlinGT,79Concordhb,79PacerDL8,2-79AMXs,2-80AMXs,
> 2-80SpiritDL,80Eagle4dsdn,2-81SX4s,81SpiritGT,81Concord4dsd,82Eaglesw,
> 2-85Eaglesw,80J20,85J10,88Eaglesw,89Sentra4dsd (39)
>
> AMCA = http://clubs.hemmings.com/amcalberta/
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:17:02 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hot Rodding is dead
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How did a topic on Cherokees and engines get titled "hot rodding is
dead"?
Well, hot rodding may not be as prevalent as is used to be, especially
on newer vehicles, but it's far from dead! Go over to a site like
www.hotrodders.com (which I frequent). There are fewer people by
percentage of population who can do it, but I don't think the number of
hot rodders has gone down that much. There are more "checkbook rodders"
than actual gear heads/grease monkeys though, that's for sure! The
aftermarket is full of practically bolt together kits and a good many
turn-key rods though.
Jamie, you can't save them all! If you have to sacrifice the Chero to
save the Comanche, it's just a sacrifice that has to be made. Besides,
it's not like there aren't still lots of Cheros running around, can't be
said for the Comanche (hard to find a good one). And you have to many
cars anyway... ;>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:25:19 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Cherokee diesel?
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TAPCO International (www.tapcointernational.com) has VM diesel engines
and parts. They get lots of Jeep parts, many that are surplus export
parts, or replacement parts. They had some 2.4 or 2.5 diesels intended
as replacements for the 2.1 Renault at one time.
The Renault 2.1 diesel was turbocharged -- all of them used in the Jeeps
over here. Otherwise it wouldn't have had the power of the 2.5L four!
Might be listed as less power, but the torque and gearing made it feel
close to the same -- except for acceleration. I drove one years ago.
Once up to speed it felt about the same as the 2.5L, but 0-45 was
definitely slower. Once you hit about 45 the turbo was putting out a
good bit of boost, I guess. Drove a lot like my old 196 American w/the
modified cam -- not much you could do to make it go any quicker to 45,
but drove pretty good after getting there.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:41:03 -0700
From: Keleigh Hardie <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] My new 88
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I saw this once on a coffin-nose Mat. The car was in such nice shape
(before the animals got to it) I wondered why it was there. I pulled the
747 for my Mat and found a plug missing, just like you did. I tore it
down, and found the oil pump pretty much hosed. My theory was that it
had been in a tranny shop, they'd done some pressure testing, and the
customer had decline the repairs. And, of course, they forgot to put the
plug back in the service port before it was towed to the yard. How does
the trans work after you replaced the plug? I'd guess something similar
occurred...
Keleigh
amc-list-request@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:32:08 -0700
> From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] My new 88
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <1167802328.459b3fd861cd6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I nearly went through all of 2006 without buying a car but fell prey to the
> local Pick-n-Pull on the 30th. A low mile (144334 kms / 89630 mi.) beauty with a
> nasty transmission leak. VIN and body numbers both '1308' so it's about 1000
> cars from the last ever AMC. Built September 23rd 1987. Air, tilt, _no_ cruise.
> Turns out the transmission leak was a missing pressure plug. Reverse is slow to
> actuate but otherwise seems OK.
>
>
> http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r122/AMCKenA/88Eagleresize.jpg
>
> and here's why the tranmission was leaking.
>
> http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r122/AMCKenA/88Eagletransplug2resize.jpg
>
> and the date tag...
>
> http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r122/AMCKenA/88EagleMFGtag1resize.jpg
>
> Happy New Year
>
> Ken Ames
>
> 39Master85w.partscar,67Marlin,68AMX,70Machine,73Matador2drht,73Hornet4dsd,
> 73-74-75-76GremlinXs,75PacerX,76Hornet2dsd,77Matadorcpe,2-77AMXs,78AMX,
> 78Gremlin,78GremlinGT,79Concordhb,79PacerDL8,2-79AMXs,2-80AMXs,
> 2-80SpiritDL,80Eagle4dsdn,2-81SX4s,81SpiritGT,81Concord4dsd,82Eaglesw,
> 2-85Eaglesw,80J20,85J10,88Eaglesw,89Sentra4dsd (39)
>
> AMCA = http://clubs.hemmings.com/amcalberta/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:35:12 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1959 Rambler w/Diesel Motor - $1100
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701031435.l03EZCp14532@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Russell Neyhart <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Good Morning Andrew,
"
" The Volvo diesels in the 240 series were Audi truck I6's with the same
" bore & stroke as the Audi 2.0 I5's used in the 5000 and the 1.6 I4's
" used in the 4000 and non-TDI VW's. Good luck finding a good parts
" person! Please let us all know if you find one who will turn around and
" look at the ancient scrolls, er books behind them after punching a few
" keys turns up nothing!
they continued to use it through much of the '90s, and many of the
parts are the same as the vw 4, but about 2000 they decided they could
make a better engine themselves and that's what i'm referring to.
it's the d3 series included here:
http://www.volvo.com/volvopenta/na/en-us/marineengines/powerforleisureboats/diesel_inboard/
and this is the one they put in their cars:
http://www.volvo.com/volvopenta/na/en-us/marineengines/powerforleisureboats/diesel_inboard/d3-160/spec.htm
and here's a car:
http://www.volvoadventures.com/70VDspec.html
this particular one has a stick [volvo made iirc] but they've always
used warner and aisin-warner autos in their rwd cars, and until even
more recently it was the same box jeep calls the aw4. to volvo it was
the a43.
btw another amc link - in their fwd cars volvo used the same zf auto
amc/renault did in the premiere.
--
Andrew Hay +----------------------------------------------+
Internet Rambler | je suis Marxiste - tendent Groucho |
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx +----------------------------------------------+
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:44:12 -0500
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Megasquirted turbo Jeep 5.9 Limited
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Here are some photos of the setup and two running videos. For those who
are interested in MegaSquirt the larger vid shows some tuning/readout
happening on a laptop.
http://www.ttdmotorsports.com/jeep/
We use bushing equipped turbos most of the time as they are available
much cheaper then the ball bearing units, this one is a ball bearing T4
that was very expensive. When you turn this jeep off the turbo keeps
spinning inside the housing for a long time, it kinda freaked me out the
first time I heard it. LOL
~J
-----Original Message-----
From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Widiker, John D
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:13 AM
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Megasquirted turbo Jeep 5.9 Limited
Recently I was going on about MegaSquirt systems, here's what we got
running just a few minutes ago:
Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited with a fully built mopar 360 (the stock
engine lasted 1 day boosted), Giant T4 turbo. It was limited to 5 pounds
of boost with the factory computer that had been band-aid fixed. It had
run a 12.7 in the 1/4 and put just shy of 600 hp through all 4 tires to
the dyno with that config.
It's running solely on the MegaSquirt now and we are doing fuel/ignition
maps for up to 10 pounds of boost. We are still using the factory
computer to shift the transmission (he didn't want to pay for a second
controller) I'll post some pics and videos to my site in the next day or
two. Ever seen violent 4 wheel burnouts? LOL
~John
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:52:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hot Rodding is dead
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Jamie Smith wrote:
> This was posted on a group I am with. Thought some of you might find it interesting.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU3N9wT3u0<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU3N9wT3u0>
That's pretty great! The punchline in the last seconds is a shock!!
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:54:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] My new 88
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Ken Ames wrote:
> local Pick-n-Pull on the 30th. A low mile (144334 kms / 89630 mi.) beauty with a
> nasty transmission leak. VIN and body numbers both '1308' so it's about 1000
> cars from the last ever AMC. Built September 23rd 1987. Air, tilt, _no_ cruise.
> Turns out the transmission leak was a missing pressure plug. Reverse is slow to
> actuate but otherwise seems OK.
Good find! Dontcha love problems like that?
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 14:54:54 -0500
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hot Rodding is dead
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I want directions to where that was filmed!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Tom Jennings
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hot Rodding is dead
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Jamie Smith wrote:
> This was posted on a group I am with. Thought some of you might find
it interesting.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU3N9wT3u0<http://www.youtube.com/watc
> h?v=WXU3N9wT3u0>
That's pretty great! The punchline in the last seconds is a shock!!
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:02:37 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hot Rodding is Dead
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John W. Said:
I want directions to where that was filmed!!!!!
Well, to get to the Bonneville Salt Flats, get on I-80
and head west from your part of the country.
The little dirt track looked like a county fairgrounds
track somewhere in the Midwest. Black and White
really ages the scenes.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:43:17 -0800
From: "Andy&Tonja&Phoebe Ray" <raysinvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] .040 over 360 OK?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Not mine, if anyone can answer his questions it would be greatly appreciated! The car is a 70 AMX that his grandparents bought new. He has FULL documentation! Please reply to him directly. Thanks! Andy
Hello Ray,
This is my contact information plus a list of my questions. Thank you
again for your help.
Jason
ph. 702-943-0918
e-mail : ykjj@xxxxxxxxxxx
1. My goal is to keep the car as orignal as possible but because the engine
that the car has is not rebuildable is it better to stick with the 360 or do
some digging and try to get a 390?
2. I have found a 360 block to replace my damaged one but it would need to
be bored 40 over. One of the few modifications I plan on making is to add
A/C to it with the overbore and the A/C will I run into cooling problems in
the summer?
Thank you
Jason
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:38:02 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hot Rodding is Dead
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Awesome job on that clip! I clicked on the link and WVU seems to have some blocking software in place for Utube. So I left the page up while doing other things and noticed it had loaded later. I was very impressed with it. Yes, black and white film and stills done in the brown tones [sepia, SP?] do the same.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> John W. Said:
>
> I want directions to where that was filmed!!!!!
>
>
> Well, to get to the Bonneville Salt Flats, get on I-80
> and head west from your part of the country.
>
> The little dirt track looked like a county fairgrounds
> track somewhere in the Midwest. Black and White
> really ages the scenes.
>
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
>
>
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