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Today's Topics:
1. Re: boneyard knowledge (Tom Jennings)
2. Re: pulling an axle (Mark Price)
3. Rambler Wheel Hub -- Success! (johnny kazek)
4. Hash Marx: A Night in Casablanca, A Day in Kenosha (Mahoney, John)
5. Not so strange UFO over London (Eddie Stakes)
6. Fw: AMC Spirit questions (Eddie Stakes)
7. Fw: 66 Rebel Rambler trim wanted (Eddie Stakes)
8. Re: Ambassadors (John Elle)
9. Re: Ambassadors (Mark Price)
10. Re: Fw: AMC Spirit questions (Mark Price)
11. Progress! Pain! (Mark Price)
12. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 51 AMBASSADORS (Joe)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] boneyard knowledge
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> I've seen evidence of guys torching the tops out of sixties mustang spring towers to get the springs out! No stored energy there, it'll be fine! WOW, look at that fly! Cool!
When I was a kid, my friend Fosco and I were driving junk
Ramblers and Stude-ies, having a great time and learning the hard
(but mostly fun) way about how things worked, there was this
guy in town (Holliston Mass.), a real SOB, who's father had a
fully-outfit pro garage. The kid always drove expensive (to us)
fast cars. One day he relented and let us less-cool kids hang
out while he assembled some V8 motor at his dad's garage --
installing crankshaft bearing caps with an air impact wrench,
good and tight!
We didn't have much skill in those days ourselves, but it was
a nice reality check for us.
We didn't hang around to see how that motor worked out for him.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:41:52 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
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One more thing you'll notice if you drive both Xj's the pre C-clip axles are much quieter!!!
The earlier axles are tight in the bearing. The C-clip axle knock in and out on rough roads and clunk!
If you've got a choice of two axles, like gear,posi etc; I'd pick the earlier axle due to larger brakes and the quieter operation.
That being said, I know there is a popular swap to Grand Cherokee rear discs on the XJ axle, early and late will work, you jsut have to do a few things differently. I'm wondering what it would take to move up to the 10" brakes on a 97 axle. I'd think if the discs swap the drums should too!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " A: That would be @'91 and newer. Prior to that, the Dana 35 XJ axle (which
> " shares the center section with Model 15) has the style where the backing
> " plate holds the axle in. It's tougher to tell in car but if the whole
> " differential is out of the car, you can see the axle tube is larger diameter
> " at the backing plate to fit the bearing on earlier rigs ('84 to 08/90 and
> " maybe more) I never got around to checking to see if the early XJ axles
> " would swap with Eagle axles.
>
> another clue you could see in the car: the c-clip axles have 9" drums;
> earlier were 10". [btw same 10 x 1.75" drums as amc v8s back to '73]
>
> " I do know you can bolt the whole XJ rear diff into an Eagle (I've done it
> " twice) but the shock mounts need to be cut off and repositioned. If you keep
> " an eye out for a parts Comanche, you may even find a D44 or Model 20 (you'll
> " need shock mounts and new spring pads welded on to bolt it in)
>
> i've heard that just as some early xjs came with amc15 axles, some
> late eagles had d35s - from the factory.
>
> the xj axle is wider than the usual hornet/concord one, but both xjs
> and eagles use those deep-offset wheels.
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:44:40 +0000
From: "johnny kazek" <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Rambler Wheel Hub -- Success!
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The 60 Rambler moves! Got hold of a 250+ torque wrench and used the
extension and jack technique to tighten axle bolt. Brakes are
frozen all around so after they're rebuilt I'll be able to tell if
it that axle's really seated correctly, but this was the biggest
hurdle.
Confusing to me on paper, but not hard once I got my hands in there
and had some good help from you all here.
Thanks a million!
-- Johnny
_________________________________________________________________
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References
1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2749??PS=47575
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:03:15 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Hash Marx: A Night in Casablanca, A Day in Kenosha
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"It's still the same old story
A fight for sales and glory
A case of do or die.
The world will always welcome losers
As time goes by."
Can "Project Refocus" keep Chrysler from driving to its death in a Ford?
Can losing 3x what even DCX expected to lose make it sing a new AM song?
Can the French save Mopar? (After they've saved Aston Martin, that is.)
Can "Nissan-Renault-Chrysler-Jeep" bells toll anew in an old key of AMC?
Tune in again tomorrow (next week, next year, next decade...) to find out.
For now, see if green cheese on an eBay in Wisconsin really is Packer-ed with AMC history or Sandwich-ed between a Mass and the burning Rambler Man in South Central. Could truckloads of truculent Truckee Subaru Brats tell us the AMC facts we seek?
>>
'70-2 iirc
maybe i'm thinking of rebel wagons. 15x6" steels were available on
the senior line...
<<
>>
71-74 Ambos came w/ 14", the only exceptions were FLEET option 15's
<<
Thank you; that was the point we wanted andrew to make. 15" wheels were never offered on "regular retail sales" 1967-1978 114"-118"-122" wagons; the only wagons factory-equipped with 15s were a couple of customs built for AMC executives. If they'd been built by Pierce in the '20s; Packard in the '50s, Chrysler in the '50s, Ford in the '60s, and even by GM into the '70s, we would have historical records and photos. But because they were "just" AMC --- by then a shadow of Nash --- we have nothing. We don't even know if those wagons still exist. That's the AMC story. Barcelona II trim color-keyed slot-style wheels, and G78-15 whitewalls.
Oh well. Keep searching. And observing AMC anniversaries:
What "last" in AMC history was Swiss-, French-, and American-made (in Washington and in Wisconsin before, and in Detroit after, its AM day?
And what is the "value" [on paper] of the earlier auto "failure" now?
Are you up-to-date?
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:17:51 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Not so strange UFO over London
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I saw this and thought others would enjoy it, it is a really rare sighting
of a UFO over London. Those aliens are more intelligent that we first
believed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krxUutkRUBY
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:32:04 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: AMC Spirit questions
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: b max <bmax65@xxxxxxxxx>
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The folks below are asking a number of questions pertaining to a Spirit. If anyone can help them out please feel free to reply, and also copy your reply to them directly and thanks in advance to all who might help.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
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----- Original Message -----
From: b max bmax65@xxxxxxxxx
To: Eddie Stakes
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: AMC Spirit questions
Hello Mr Stakes.
Was wondering if you might be able to answers some questions about a 1982 AMC Spirit.
Even if you cannot answer them I do want to thank you for your time.
I bought a 1982 Spirit hatch today...because I had to get rid of my 66 Marlin, and still wanted to drive an AMC.
It's a 258/column auto. It came with a Haynes manual. Was looking thru it, trying to identify the transmission. All it gave were 2 choices, a 908 and 998.
Would you happen to know how to tell the difference between the two transmissions?
Can either one of these trannies be beefed up, or should it just be replaced with a
727?
How difficult is it to install a 290-401 type V8 and applicable trans into this chassis?
I ask this, because I have no knowledge if the 258 6 cylinder is worth modifying for more power.
Is there anything that can be done, suspension wise, to improve the handling? Perhaps some of the older Javelin/AMX suspension pieces might fit...they did offer stronger springs, bigger sway bars, and those traction rods, right?
I'm not looking to make a super radical car. Heck, even a 304 with 1hp per cube would be fine. I don't know if this is even possible, but I'd like to get the 18-20mpg my old Marlin got, with maybe 300hp. Just a good handling, well balanced AMC with some poke...kinda like the original AMX's were.
Well, just thought if anyone might have a clue about such things, it would be you.
Thank you again for your time and consideration.
Brian O'Hare
1982 AMC Spirit
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:49:42 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: 66 Rebel Rambler trim wanted
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The folks below are looking for some 66 Rebel items, if anyone can help them out or poin in right direction feel free to comment and thanks in advance to all who might.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
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----- Original Message -----
From: dbradley bullbo@xxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: 66 rambler trim
I am looking for the rebel badges that go on the fenders of my 1966 rambler mine have been stolen and I am also wanting the long piece of chrome that runs from the back of the door all the way to the taillight drives side and looking for front turn signal lenses and dash pad any colour
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:08:09 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ambassadors
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Towhomit may concern or care
I currently own and for the most part enjoy my used Chrysler Town and
Country for a variety of reasons, however recently I have been able to
treat it to its 4th automatic transmission in 116,000 miles (4th at
least anyway that I know about) which makes me question whether Dr. Z's
accolades of German and Chrysler engineering were all they were cracked
up to be. ( this one was the 3rd transmission in 10,000 miles.
http://www.prnewstoday.com/release.htm?cat=auto
<http://www.prnewstoday.com/release.htm?cat=auto&dat=20060630&rl=NYF0273
0062006-1> &dat=20060630&rl=NYF02730062006-1
SNIP
it is with morbid amusement that i see japanese companies successfully
import their suvs as -cars- but get them past the epa and dot etc as
-trucks-.
SNIP
Of course this same T&C, a replacement for a station wagon which if
memory serves was an automobile, at least my Hornet wagon in the
driveway sure looks like one is classified for the purposes of smog
certification as a light truck! It just seems to me that if it is one,
it sure should act more like one when needed.
http://www.cfact.org/site/print.asp?idarticle=233
But to be fair, I had to use a 1980 Eagle for a wiring harness donation
and found it was certified in California as a light truck. This allowed
it to have minimal smog components installed and as a light truck, it
did not show up in my files of Eagle smog configurations as I have
collected the AUTOMOBILE OR CAR data. I don't know where you go to find
Eagle Truck data.
SNIP
"Permit expanded use of the automobile for cargo-carrying purposes or
other
nonpassenger-carrying purposes through the removal of seats by means
installed
for that purpose by the automobile's manufacturer or with simple tools
such as
screwdrivers and wrenches, so as to create a flat, floor level, surface
extending from the forward-most point of installation of those seats to
the
rear of the automobile's interior."
SNIP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSoto_Suburban
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/bv/kaiser_traveler.htm
These probably would have been more successful if smog rules were
implemented sooner. But due to apathy and other related emotions they
are gone and we now have the Kia
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/kia/index50.html
that comes from a country that at the same time the Traveler was being
manufactured our Ambassadors were using their combined mentality of
possible double digits and were trying to divide the country in two.
With time passing and objectives becoming more clarified we probably
stand a chance now to combine the benefits of a mushroom shaped cloud
with said station wagon and be able to find it at night because it glows
in the dark!
The whole thing is beginning to suggest that I re-evaluate the practical
aspect of restoring my Hornet Station wagon and placing it in daily
service again. After all, it has only lasted 30 years so far despite an
adequate amount of neglect and abuse. The transmission will still move
the thing forward and backwards despite barfing out a pint or so of
fluid just when you don't expect it. The total cost of doing so based
on components collected and on the shelf including a replacement
transmission and engine will probably cost about the same as 2 more
transmissions for my T&C which if precedence and history are any
indicators I may have to use before I get the Hornet restored no matter
what Dr. Z wrote on his prescription pad. And the Chrysler has had the
best of care and is only 10 years old!
With more than a bit of frustration for the evening.
John.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:22:05 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ambassadors
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
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My dad gave up on his at the third transmission!
Dr. Z's Transmissions suck!
The last used Van my dad bought barfed out it's trans at 90K, He bought it at 87K. He bougt a used trans and it went to 100K, He liked the van so he bought a rebuild from MOPAR, installed it himself and it didn't work right, he took it to the dealer they checked it out and agreed it was in need of internal work, so they swapped it out under the warranty, The one they put in didn't work right either, SO they swapped it again! He got it back and it worked OK for about tow weeks then started acting strange at times, So he very quickly traded it on a new van.
I'll take a clutch pedal and a shifter handle. I've never liked a trans that shifted when it wanted to, I prefer to do it myself.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Towhomit may concern or care
>
> I currently own and for the most part enjoy my used Chrysler Town and
> Country for a variety of reasons, however recently I have been able to
> treat it to its 4th automatic transmission in 116,000 miles (4th at
> least anyway that I know about) which makes me question whether Dr. Z's
> accolades of German and Chrysler engineering were all they were cracked
> up to be. ( this one was the 3rd transmission in 10,000 miles.
>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:38:58 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: AMC Spirit questions
To: Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: bmax65@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<27446023.1161398338316.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Easy, both the 904 and 998 are good trans, No need to go to the 727 in a spirit.
The amcforums has some good info on this stuff.
For an engine, easiest choice is to build a stroker six.
It will get you your required fuel econamy and not have you redo the entire car.
You need a Jeep 4.0L block, install the Spirits 4.2L Rods and Crank with 4.0L pistons.
Instant 275 cubic inches in standard bore! Install a mild cam, free flow exhaust and the fuel injection setup from an 91-95 Jeep and you'll have a real performer.
There is a Jeep Strokers Forum on Yahoo that deals with these engines and all the info needed to pull it off.
I have a non stroked Jeep 4.0L [242 cu.in] in my 69 American with Fuel injection.
Frank Swygert has a Stroked engine in his 63 Rambler Classic wagon. Both of us would not consider pulling these engines in favor of a V-8 swap.
if you are into handling, that's another reason to stick with the six. Mount a new Gel cell battery in the back and soem Addco swaynars front and rear, KYB or other performance shocks, an alignment for handling. You can also get a lot of tire under the SPirit with the right wheels.
Your main limiting factors with the Spirit is how much do youwant to spend!
The flip side is if you are carefull you can do a lot of this from a Junkyard and Ebay!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The folks below are asking a number of questions pertaining to a Spirit. If anyone can help them out please feel free to reply, and also copy your reply to them directly and thanks in advance to all who might help.
> Eddie Stakes'
> Planet Houston AMX
> 713.464.8825
> eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.planethoustonamx.com
> Email is currently HEAVY
> 5-12 day reply times, call if important
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: b max bmax65@xxxxxxxxx
> To: Eddie Stakes
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:02 PM
> Subject: AMC Spirit questions
>
>
> Hello Mr Stakes.
>
> Was wondering if you might be able to answers some questions about a 1982 AMC Spirit.
>
> Even if you cannot answer them I do want to thank you for your time.
>
> I bought a 1982 Spirit hatch today...because I had to get rid of my 66 Marlin, and still wanted to drive an AMC.
>
> It's a 258/column auto. It came with a Haynes manual. Was looking thru it, trying to identify the transmission. All it gave were 2 choices, a 908 and 998.
>
> Would you happen to know how to tell the difference between the two transmissions?
> Can either one of these trannies be beefed up, or should it just be replaced with a
> 727?
>
> How difficult is it to install a 290-401 type V8 and applicable trans into this chassis?
> I ask this, because I have no knowledge if the 258 6 cylinder is worth modifying for more power.
>
> Is there anything that can be done, suspension wise, to improve the handling? Perhaps some of the older Javelin/AMX suspension pieces might fit...they did offer stronger springs, bigger sway bars, and those traction rods, right?
>
> I'm not looking to make a super radical car. Heck, even a 304 with 1hp per cube would be fine. I don't know if this is even possible, but I'd like to get the 18-20mpg my old Marlin got, with maybe 300hp. Just a good handling, well balanced AMC with some poke...kinda like the original AMX's were.
>
> Well, just thought if anyone might have a clue about such things, it would be you.
>
> Thank you again for your time and consideration.
>
> Brian O'Hare
> 1982 AMC Spirit
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:53:22 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Progress! Pain!
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Progress finally!
I have today finished the trough area rebuild of the passenger side of the convertible!
I am now suffering the consequences of doing to much when I shouldn't. Three months ago I had maybe 2-3 hours work left on that trough area. So since I've finally gotten pretty mobile I started to carefully work on the remaining details. I ground down and cleaned up the previous work, then yesterday and today I welded in the remaining pieces and the only thing needed is to drill a few drain holes.
I'm quite happy with the outcome. I will take a few pics over the weekend and try and get them posted. It feels good to get something done.
I hope my pains are temporary as if this is a sign of things to come?????????
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 51 AMBASSADORS
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx
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Frank. Now what you said about new trucks is not
entirely true( no offence).NOT trying to argue but..
In 2004 i bought a brand new(first BRAND NEW
vehicle)2004 F150 4x4 FX4 off road supercab.Will never
buy a new vehicle again SINCE i got laid-off from the
good paying factory job i had back them. There are NO
good paying jobs available in Illinois for older (i'm
51)guys now!! ANYWAY.... I've hauled parts,engines
,rearends..etc from the first day i had it!! I drove
it from Illinois to New Mexico and Texas then back to
Illinois the third week i owned it. Hauled home four
car doors,two hoods,pair of fenders,a 1969 Javelin
rearend, disk brake assys,crank shafts, AND pulled a
trailer with a 401 in it. YES it cost me a fortune to
buy a NEW truck. BUT i USE it regularly. I'm always
pulling my car trailer somewhere to get a
car/truck,parts..etc.YES it's still dent/ding free
with 45,000 miles on it. Bedliner is pretty scraped up
though. I take care of it and do not abuse it. At
Walmart i park WAYYY out so as not to get door dings!
Same thing with my old AMC's!! BUT I bought it to USE.
Just wanted to let you know that not all new truck
owners are afraid to USE them. Also...i'll tie up
bumper to bumper with a TOYOTA Tundra anyday!! A
pull-off would be FUN! Get tired of the adds....better
than ford or gm trucks..my eye! Hope i'm not in
trouble noiw for voicing my opinion? Thanks,Joe
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> 1. Brats... (Keleigh Hardie)
> 2. Re: Ambassadors (getting past EPA/DOT)
> (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
> 3. Re: Freee (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436
> CES/CECM)
> 4. Re: Ambassadors (getting past EPA/DOT) (Mark
> Price)
> 5. Re: pulling an axle (Jim Blair)
> 6. Re: pulling an axle (Sandwich Maker)
> 7. Re: Ambassadors (Jim Blair)
> 8. Re: Ambassadors (getting past EPA/DOT)
> (Sandwich Maker)
> 9. Re: Was AMBOS and EPA/DOT (JOE FULTON)
> 10. Re: Was AMBOS and EPA/DOT (Sandwich Maker)
> 11. Re: FREEEE (Tom Jennings)
> 12. Re: Brats... (Tom Jennings)
> 13. Re: Freee (Mr. AMC)
> 14. Charity AMX update (Widiker, John D)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:57:52 -0600
> From: "Keleigh Hardie" <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Brats...
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> "remember the gyrations Subaru did with the Brat to
> get it to be a "truck"?"
>
> Actually (IIRC), the Brat had jump seats welded in
> the bed to qualify it as
> a car, which made for a lower import duty...
>
> Keleigh
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:07:15 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ambassadors (getting past
> EPA/DOT)
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> >>
> it is with morbid amusement that i see japanese
> companies successfully
> import their suvs as -cars- but get them past the
> epa and dot etc as
> -trucks-.
> <<
>
> The rise of such instances is why the EPA/DOT (one
> or the other, or
> both) have at least started thinking about changing
> requirements for
> light trucks to be the same as for cars. To many
> people use light trucks
> (3/4 ton pickups and under) for regular passenger
> conveyance. Ask some
> truck owners to haul something for you (say a
> washing machine you just
> bought) and they'll have a fit! "Not in my 440K
> truck -- might scratch
> the plastic bed liner, and I'd have to unfasten the
> tonneau cover too!!"
> I think it would be a great change, say anything
> under 10K GVW (a 3/4
> ton pickup would weigh at least 6K -- 4K or so of
> truck, 1.5K payload,
> and an extra 500 lbs of passengers) regardless of
> type meets the same
> EPA/DOT standards. With today's technology there
> isn't a lot of
> difference in power output like there used to be.
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:14:32 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Freee
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> Unfortunately it all depends on your location and
> needs of those nearby.
> Don't recall your location Joe, but Doc's near NYC.
> Mark posted his 258
> on the Strokers list in the hopes someone looking
> for a crank and rods
> would want it. One person asked for the exact
> location, and I sent him
> an e-mail with Doc's e-mail address and told him to
> contact him
> directly.
>
> AMCers are spread a bit thin across the country,
> unfortunately! The
> further out in the boonies cars are on e-bay, the
> less they bring,
> whereas those close to populated areas, even in
> worse condition, often
> go for more than one would expect. Hard to ship
> parts, such as engines,
> are the same. No one seems to realize a 343 is a
> high comp engine that
> will produce as much or more power than a low comp
> 360 -- they just see
> the size. Or maybe they do and running on lower
> grade fuel is more
> important...
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 6:47:18 -0700
> From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ambassadors (getting past
> EPA/DOT)
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
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> Funny one of the things I like about my Dakota is I
> can actually haul stuff with it and the mileage [in
> town at least] is the same as the S10! At least I
> now know what the S stands for! But I won't say here
> as then I'd have to wipe up the mess.
> The MOPAR Canvas look cover on it is the easiest
> one one I've ever used. It rolls up in a few seconds
> and reinstalls just as quick.
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- "Swygert wrote:
> > >>
> > it is with morbid amusement that i see japanese
> companies successfully
> > import their suvs as -cars- but get them past the
> epa and dot etc as
> > -trucks-.
> > <<
> >
> > The rise of such instances is why the EPA/DOT (one
> or the other, or
> > both) have at least started thinking about
> changing requirements for
> > light trucks to be the same as for cars. To many
> people use light trucks
> > (3/4 ton pickups and under) for regular passenger
> conveyance. Ask some
> > truck owners to haul something for you (say a
> washing
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