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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Mustang II Suspension? (Mark Price)
2. Re: Mustang II Suspension? (Mark Price)
3. Crazy (Mahoney, John)
4. Re: Cam specs (mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx)
5. AMX 1/4 panel wanted (Eddie Stakes)
6. 73 Ambassador for sale (Eddie Stakes)
7. 80 Eagle & 81 Spirit for sale (Eddie Stakes)
8. black 71-74 AMX wanted (Eddie Stakes)
9. Fw: Help posting & javelin cutting out (Eddie Stakes)
10. Re: Mustang II Suspension? (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
11. Mustang II Suspension? (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
12. Fwd: Xfer case needed in Colorado... (Jim Blair)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:13:04 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Mustang II Suspension?
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Cc: Sly Rose <sly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Track width is wide on the Pacer and parts are not the easiest thing to come up with.
With the Vette parts will never go away, same with the MII. Well they could go away, but it is unlikely. The things I can think of that would make them dissappear would make the lack of car parts not seem important!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sly Rose <sly@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Instead of a MII suspension, why not keep it all AMC and put in a Pacer
> front clip?
>
> Sly
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:13:39 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Mustang II Suspension?
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Cc: Sly Rose <sly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Track width is wide on the Pacer and parts are not the easiest thing to come up with.
With the Vette parts will never go away, same with the MII. Well they could go away, but it is unlikely. The things I can think of that would make them dissappear would make the lack of car parts not seem important!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sly Rose <sly@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Instead of a MII suspension, why not keep it all AMC and put in a Pacer
> front clip?
>
> Sly
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:21:03 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Crazy
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If a server isn't off, an online "archive" isn't working: where are the posts submitted between 12:44PM and 7:34PM on Thursday, August 24? AMC can't grow beyond a "car joke" status if AMC info can't be accessed. And if AMC as a hobby is a car joke, it may get fewer and fewer laughs each year.
Eddie wrote: "neat javelin story" and it's fun, but the fun Mopar memory of Gramdma's 1950 sedan is foggy: in 1951, just like AMC would do in 1978,
http://users.frii.com/gbooth/Cars/index.htm
Plymouth introduced a new CONCORD --- not "Concorde" --- model: Concord, Cambridge, and Cranbrook. Massachusetts sites for two plus one more "C" named for a town in the province of British Columbia (Plymouth had used Canadian paint names since 1949), for an arts institution (founded in 1904) in Bloomfield Hills, or for a street in Detroit (where a Cranbrook Drive intersected with a Cambridge Avenue and a Concord Street existed near an old Dodge plant) --- or it simply sounded English enough and "posh" enough to use. If you chose #2, you win something: a nice new Plymouth, maybe?
http://s112782950.onlinehome.us/images/11657B.jpg
Car guys won't use the wrong wrenches or the wrong spark gaps; don't use the wrong words or the wrong dates either. Grill those brain cells or else they will turn into toast. More from less. That's what America [n Motors] needs now. More info and fewer bugs will also be good for the collector AMC grille.
I asked about a 2006 Chilson's some weeks ago. Not one word was posted.
An [unrelated] post appeared here yesterday. But not one (or two) URLs?
More from less is how Toyota drives Ford and GM out of the car business.
More from less is how hobby AMC thrives in the collectible car business.
http://www.amcforums.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1154827316[/url
http://epage.com/js/mi/1872010.html
I asked about 2006 AMC too. Not one, but several, mags said something.
10/05 CC (p. 109 --- unnumbered --- grrr): last car in the "Freaks and Geeks' article is a '75 Pacer "coupe" that needs a 282. No not a joke. P. 8: '67 Rambler American "only thing cooler than the '69 Road Runner"; p. 15: '73 Victory Trans Am (a red and Domino beauty in Castlegar BC...); p. 52-56: teach an AM dash new tricks; pp. 62-66: paint an AM engine bay; p. 73: AM in ad, and p. 8?: a "Wrongler" photo.
In 10/05 HR (which reports that "Nissan changes its plans to badge the upcoming US-market Skyline GT-R an Infinity" --- a Japanese BMW is an INFINITI --- an Infinity is a CD in a DC Jeep) AMC is Freiburger's '77 J10 (he "got it for free"), '81 Scrambler (not a bike?), plus '46 and '47 CJ-2As --- costing $100): shall "AMC 4-ever" always sound out "cheap?"
9/06 (224) RR surprises with the one-off '68 Marlin Turin show car: I will let that joke die without comment, since no one is still reading. And it ranks right up there with the '79 Matador Barcelona II coupe. Both made overseas.
No one cars about names and numbers.
Funniest of all is 9/06 HMN. Following its one-page car history quick reads (one calling a '52 Cadillac "zoftig" [zaftig preferred...] and one failing to recall a '72 Gremlin Voyageur [French preferred...] in recalling a '37 Hudson Utility --- oh well, AMC is recalled --- or goes along for a ride --- in the Hydra-matic transmission and Saginaw steering articles...), the fun begins.
For $16k you can buy a '73 Buick Estate wagon: not original; restored. For $50k, a '69 AMX: not original; resto. For $30k, a '69 AMX; ditto. For $55k, a '69 AMX 16k-mile orig; not resto. Or for $9,5, a '78 Matador Barcelona sedan with only 32k miles --- a nice piece of late AMC history.
But for the true AMC crazy --- that car nut that [who preferred...] cares not at all how much a '70 AMX grill costs or how much it costs to buy a '70 AMX grille (that he or she has the wherewithal to buy an AMX and a computer might be even funnier...) --- is the iconic AMC offered on p. 310.
A '74 Matador coupe with 304 automatic (no mileage shown) for $115,000.
"Yes, it's expensive" they are professional enough to state. YA THINK?
Maybe it's as rare as that $12k '72 Ambassador wagon that was for sale [for years] in Quebec --- or that prototype '65 Ambassador convertible that was for sale last week. Maybe AMC is a new Duesie doozie of cars.
Maybe it'll be bought by someone who took HMN's Alaska tour, which, HMN wrote (twice) included a visit to the "Bouchard Gardens" in Victoria BC.
http://www.butchartgardens.com/main.php
Maybe AMC isn't the last bad car joke; maybe car people are just crazy.
And maybe gas will cost 27.9 cents per gallon again --- just as it did when I first filled the tank of my 1971 Ambassador Brougham --- 35-1/2 years and 36,500 miles ago. When it hits 1,000 miles-per-year, it will be time to drive it or sell it to someone to revive. It'll be an "expensive" crown jewel of AMC history, but I doubt it will be worth $115k.
AMC isn't that crazy.
Lastly, a note (that probably won't be read even if it is archived...) to everyone who calls any AMC a "preservation car." If you research one of the [dealer display ad] AMXs in HMN, you should note that it is "Only 3% Finished in Black" (their caps, not mine). That's not so you can paint the other 97% the color of your choice. That's to tell anyone looking for a preservation car that it is re-finished under the 10% HPOF limit.
Words have very specific meaning and they translate into dollar values.
http://www.thesandiegocollection.com/cgi-bin/showroom/detail.cgi?id=2099
$5k less, about one-third that mileage? Time/money/opinions are yours.
As is creation of your own Tiny URL. If AMC is a joke, I'm not a fool.
http://www.carrollstauto.com/site/Inventory/misc/69_amc_amx_orange/69_amc_amx_orange.htm
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:47:11 GMT
From: mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Cam specs
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200608292147.k7TLlCcK045713@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
RE:Cam specs
Any one happen to have the cam specs for the Police interception/ 401 cam
handy. I'm thinking of having one made for my engine rebuild and all my info
is in Nevada right now, while I'm in Illinois. thanks Larry Daum
mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:27:34 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX 1/4 panel wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: roxyhunnay@xxxxxxxxxxx
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PARTS NEEDED BADLY: left and right rear quarter panels for a '69 amx. New or
used. Kelly roxyhunnay@xxxxxxxxxxx 860-684-7786
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anyone that can hook them up possibly give them a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:26:29 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 73 Ambassador for sale
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: kelticphyre72@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Straight outta Kenosha Baby!For sale all original 1973 Ambassador brougham
70,000 orig mi. on the o-meter 4dr 304 w/tourque command.I am second
owner.Have all dealer stuff(window sticker,books,cards,etc.Car is in very
nice shape,very little rust was bought in lenexa Ks. and has been in midwest
all its life.Car is Cordoba Brn and Cream w/Cinnamon int,PS,PB,A/C Am radio
this car is original even down to the bias tires!For the age Im guessing the
older couple who had it only drove it about 2k a yr. for pics and more info
email me or call at 417-759-9412 $4500 o.b.o.thanks! Steve Bendon
kelticphyre72@xxxxxxxxxxx 417-759-9412
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anyone interested in thr Ambassador above give them a shout, thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:30:35 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 80 Eagle & 81 Spirit for sale
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: tbirdspecial63@xxxxxxxxxxx
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a 1980 4x4 eagle, 2door concord/style 67,000 actual miles and a new
""candy-mid-nite "" blue paint/ beige vinyl interior ,michelins
etc.$3,500.00 firm..Interlachen, fl.32148 cell# 321-230-1067 also have a
1981 spirit hatchback parts car $400.00... michael martin
tbirdspecial63@xxxxxxxxxxx
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anyone interested in the Eagle or Spirit give them a shout above thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:28:32 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] black 71-74 AMX wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: markskur1@xxxxxxx
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"$$$$WANTED$$$$ 71-74 AMX. BLACK ONLY. FULLY RESTORED!!! NO PROJECTS
PLEASE. TOP DOLLARS PAID Mark markskur1@xxxxxxx
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anyone that can point them in right drection give them a shout above,
thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:32:54 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: Help posting & javelin cutting out
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: epd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Anyone that can possibly help them out on the Javelin cutting out, or
posting to the amc-list here please feel free to give them a shout and copy
your reply to them also, thanks in advance to all who might reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Evenson" <epd@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:23 PM
Subject: Help
> Eddie, I am having trouble posting my question on the AMC list. I know
> there is someone else in charge of it but I emailed them and didn't get a
> response. I tried to go thru the website and through an email and didn't
> have any luck either way. I have talked to you about this problem before
> and I am starting to get desperate. This is what I emailed to the other
> guy.
>
> Well I thought I had my problem fixed with my Javelin cutting out. I had
> been having trouble with it cutting out in just about any situation, high
> speed, low speed, warm, cold, it didn't seem to matter. It would cut out
> I would pop it into neutral and it would fire right up again. I have
> electronic points, but it has done it with both the stock and electronic,
> I have replaced the voltage regulator, the distributor, cap and rotor,
> coil wire, I have checked for shorts in the wires under the hood but not
> under the dash. I put a coil from Napa in and the guy said that coil
> needs an external balast. I have not seen and external balast on my car
> but in the service manual I have it says there is a balast wire that
> should not be cut. When I put the Napa coil in it ran great for about 2
> weeks, today it started acting worse then it did before. Can anyone help
> me out with this thing? It is a '70 Javelin with a '73 360 in it. Thanks
> Keith
>
>
> Any thing you could do to help would be appreciated, thanks Keith
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:40:38 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Mustang II Suspension?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I whole-heartedly agree Mark! With the MII you get a reasonable variety
of bolt-on aftermarket parts, but NO improvement in the suspension. It's
much easier and more cost effective to make improvements to the original
AMC suspension -- urethane bushed trunnions, Aerolite brake system. Not
much variety, but how many different choices of 11" or 12" four piston
brakes (or even six) do you need? The Aerolite brakes use one of the
popular aftermarket calipers (Baer?), so you can use almost any caliper
from that company. The trunnions and brakes would cost around $1500
total, about the same price as one of the better MII kits, and no
installation hassle.
Now the Corvette system is a real improvement! As you mentioned, not
cheap, but at least it's a better system, unlike the MII. The MII is
popular because it's easy to duplicate (and was in use by AMC long
before the Pinto/MII came out -- AMC started using that type lower
arm/strut rod in 1962!) and retrofit to full frame solid axle cars, or
those with obscure front suspensions like the Chevy "Knee Action" of the
late 30s that it's hard to find parts for and don't handle as well.
There is an AMC (I think a two seat AMX, or was it a Spirit AMX?)
running around with the Corvette treatment. It was in the running for
one of the magazine performance contests. I don't recall which one now,
I think it was Hot Rod. Surely someone here remembers -- I don't think
it was more than a year ago.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Price [mailto:markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:00 PM
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Swygert Francis G MSgt 451 AEG/CE
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Mustang II Suspension?
Just to toss a little more fuel on the fire.
If your thinking [not you personally Frank anyone in general] of placing
a complete front suspension such as a Mustang II in any of these car how
about stepping up to a "real" sports car front suspension that looks to
be fairly closely priced to Mustang II componenets and be true to the
handling theme from the get go.
What is he thinking of you ask? Well. I'll tell you 84-87 Corvette!
It actually appears to be a more complete assembly form the get go. Used
assemblys go for $1000 or less complete, rebuild kits $6-700 or less,
rebuilt racks [if needed] $500, Coil overs $3-400. Now none of this is
going to be "cheaper" then a MII, but. It is all true sports car design.
Now I know track width is close enough to work and this info is easy to
find. I've not found the width of the factory crossmember of other
pertinant info. Part of th ereason I've posted this is to see who out
there may know more about this suspension. My web searches have left me
curious and have not been 100% informative. Anyway back to the rambling.
Way more bling factory. Especially if done right come resell time.
What's going to look better on the build sheet? Mustang II or CORVETTE!
Weel, now I'll just run right out and buyone and get started! I should
have this done by Tuesday, busted arm and all!!! Bwah, haw,haw,haw,
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!! Soundof footsteps running down long padded
hallway, followed by several men with a straight jacket and syringes
full of antiPsychotic drugs :]]]] Have a great AMC day!!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:15:45 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Mustang II Suspension?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sly, the Pacer front clip isto wide for the small cars. It could
probably be made to fit in a Matador or other 67+ big cars. 66 and
earlier are to narrow. That would be a lot of work, and the big car
upper trunnions don't give problems.
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Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 01:10 PM
From: Sly Rose <sly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Instead of a MII suspension, why not keep it all AMC and put in a Pacer
front clip?
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:07:41 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fwd: Xfer case needed in Colorado...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F38D2D12D6209AC7D809533AC3E0@xxxxxxx>
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A: I passed it on to the Jeep lists. (Just got home) You can also run a
NP219 or NP228 (or 119 or 128)
From: ramblinguy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Xfer case needed in Colorado...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <e6cd96306eab.6eabe6cd9630@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hey everyone,
I've moved from El Lay to Glenwood Springs Colorado. Lots of
plusses for
me, but the drive out towing my tools seems to have put the last
nail in
the coffin for my transfer case. Yesterday morning it started
grinding
and lurching something awful. I'm still looking for a place to
live, so
I'm trying not to spend too much money. I'm looking for an NP229
or
NP129, close by, or within reasonable shipping distance. I don't
know
anyone here, or where to call to try to find one, so that info
would be
helpful as well. Thanks in advance for all your help...
Keleigh
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