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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six (short
water pump) (Sandwich Maker)
2. 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd (Dan & Carey Smith)
3. Re: carb rebuidl help (Tom Jennings)
4. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six (E-stick
clutch) (Tom Jennings)
5. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six(short
water pump) (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
6. Re: 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
7. Re: E-stick clutch (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
8. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six(short
water pump) (Sandwich Maker)
9. AMC INK (namdra@xxxxxxxx)
10. AMC Locks And All Car Locks (Mr. AMC)
11. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six(short
water pump) (Mark Price)
12. Re: E-stick clutch (Mark Price)
13. Re: 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd (Mark Price)
14. Re: Looking for an SX/4 (NOT an SX-4!!!) (Ken Ames)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:44:35 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six (short water pump)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612131644.kBDGiZM13056@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Just a side note -- that short water pump was also used on 71+ CJ-5s, in
" case someone is having trouble finding a short pump and pulley.
"
" ---------------------------
" it should be the same; afaik all '65-'71 jeeps are just like all
" '64-'71 amcs. there are no engine differences i know of, save the
" very short water pump amc only used on the '65 american.
yes, up to '74 or '75, when the cj's wheelbase was stretched from 81"
to 84". the big jeeps used it originally; i don't know when they
stopped.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:27:24 -0600
From: "Dan & Carey Smith" <dan7@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <004701c71edb$f5518520$59d25540@danpsc>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
If anyone has any ideas on where to find a hump mounted 4spd shift assembly for a 66 AMC.
Please let me know
I would be grateful for any help
Either e-mail or phone me at 573-346-0088
Thanks, Dan Smith
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:44:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] carb rebuidl help
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612130941250.6078@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, Ken Siroonian wrote:
> The fuel pump is the
> original with the car, and i did not know it could over pump in the
> carb. maybe I shoudl just change it.
The original-type fuel pump won't be the problem. I was askin
in case you'd replaced it with an electric pump or something
(common on really old cars!). I wouldn't worry about the pump
then, at this step.
> you can not test
> the needle and seat with the carb with the top off as the needle seat
> and float are attached to the top with a small pin.
But that's the best way to test it! Put a foot of hose on the
carb fuel inlet, stick the end in your mouth and blow. It's a
simple way to apply pressure to the needle and seat to see if
it's open or closed; you can hear air blowing through when open.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:47:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six (E-stick clutch)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612130945590.6078@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM wrote:
> I'd have to check the books to see what the E-stick clutch diameter was.
> Could be the 10.5" disc (~11.5" circle) with larger bolts. All I recall
> for sure is the E-stick used a larger disc and there was a larger bolt
> pattern for the "pressure plate" housing. E-stick was available from
> 61-63, IIRC.
Hey, E-stick sounds like a fun project. I realize it would
require actual maintenance, but as cars get more and more
conformist and hard to tell apart it would make it even more
fun to drive!
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:39 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six(short water pump)
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313D55C@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I had no idea the short water pumps were used in the big Jeeps in the
early days. Probably the 65-70 Kaiser Jeep, as the 230 OHC the AMC 232
replaced is a relatively short engine.
The stretched Jeep is the CJ-7, just to be picky!! ;> The extra 3" was
needed to get an auto trans under there. They used an inch or two under
the hood so that a standard length water pump could be used as well --
one pump for all six cylinder engines.
-----------
Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:44 AM
From: andrew hay <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Just a side note -- that short water pump was also used on 71+ CJ-5s,
in
" case someone is having trouble finding a short pump and pulley.
"
" ---------------------------
" it should be the same; afaik all '65-'71 jeeps are just like all
" '64-'71 amcs. there are no engine differences i know of, save the
" very short water pump amc only used on the '65 american.
yes, up to '74 or '75, when the cj's wheelbase was stretched from 81"
to 84". the big jeeps used it originally; i don't know when they
stopped.
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:27:03 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd
To: <dan7@xxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: farna@xxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313D579@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Good luck Dan, you're going to need it! As far as I recall 66 was the
first year of the four speed, and the floor mounted shifter was only
used in the 66 Classic and Ambassador, but may have been used in the
American that year. I'll check my 67 TSM tonight, but I believe the 67
and later cars had the tranny mount shifter like the 68 and later cars
(mostly Javelin and AMX).
Hurst used to make a three speed floor mount shifter made specifically
for vans. I don't know if they ever made a four speed shifter like this.
It's possible to use the three speed shifter. You have to put it in
neutral then use an underdash cable (or some other means) for reverse.
I've seen this done in a hot rod that needed a floor mount shifter -- a
panel truck of some late 40s vintage I think.
The three Twin-Stick three speed shifter would be another substitute,
and probably easier to find. Use the three speed shifter for the four
forward gears, OD in/out shifter for reverse.
The Twin-Stick, four speed, and floor mounted auto shifter for 65-66 all
used the same bolt on hump with different shifter mechanisms. That might
help in locating a hump piece anyway.
At least one member spotted a four speed 66 or so Rebel or Ambo in a
junk yard. Maybe they will read this and see if they can score the
shifter for you.
-------------------------
Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:27 PM
From: Dan & Carey Smith <dan7@xxxxxxxxxx>
If anyone has any ideas on where to find a hump mounted 4spd shift
assembly for
a 66 AMC.
Please let me know
I would be grateful for any help
Either e-mail or phone me at 573-346-0088
Thanks, Dan Smith
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:39:00 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E-stick clutch
To: <tomj@xxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313D59F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I did a nice write-up on that thing for my book. It's a compilation of
mechanical, hydraulic, and vacuum switches -- all which have to work
together in just the right order. That's probably not to much of a
problem though. The thing had to be made with a lot of slip in the
clutch though, so with a lot of in-town driving the disc lasted around
20K-30K miles. I've only seen one E-stick car, and it was in the process
of being converted to a regular clutch when I got it (and completed the
conversion -- the pedal had been installed and the clutch/bell/oil pump
changed -- old parts in trunk). It was SOOOOO long ago!! Back in 1985 or
so. Had to give away the parts when I moved (not that I wanted them). It
was converted because the engine had about 85K-90K miles and oil
pressure had started dropping to the point the clutch would slip when
cruising. Those engines would hold 60-70 psi cold, 40+ hot when new and
in good condition. When it drops down to 25-30 hot the clutch would slip
pulling hills. This was in Idaho, car was originally from around Boise,
so there were a few "hills". The slipping problem was mostly in the
mountains, hot and at altitude. In the valley with low inclines it
wasn't to much trouble. I'm recalling most of this from 20 years ago and
what the previous owner had told me, so I could be off a bit! I'm
guessing on the oil pressure. I recall the little L-head ran great and
had no problems with a standard stick shift, and oil pressure was "good"
cold and hot for a near 100K mile engine with dubious maintenance.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:00:06 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six(short water pump)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612132200.kBDM06S15201@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" I had no idea the short water pumps were used in the big Jeeps in the
" early days. Probably the 65-70 Kaiser Jeep, as the 230 OHC the AMC 232
" replaced is a relatively short engine.
yup! think i got it from the mitchell interchange. it figures about
the 230; it was small bore and long stroke.
" The stretched Jeep is the CJ-7, just to be picky!! ;>
no, the cj7 had a -94"- wheelbase, 10" longer than the cj5, and it was
needed for not only the th400 auto but also the quadratrac. the cj5
got only the underhood stretch.
i've heard of some cj7 - wrangler body swapping, but i don't recall
now which way.
" They used an inch or two under the hood so that a standard length
" water pump could be used as well -- one pump for all six cylinder
" engines.
straightforward logic. somewhat amazing in an amc connection... ;^>
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:43:57 -0600
From: namdra@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC INK
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061213.164357.-16585679.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
The Feb. 2007 issue of Hemmings Classic Car does a 4-page story on De
Wayne Ashmead, the owner of the 70 Javelin that won the Mopar Nationals
some years back. They also did a 1-page story on Thomas B. Jeffery, the
father of the Rambler and a 6-page story on the 58 Rambler Ambassador
Custom.
Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:51:50 -0500
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Locks And All Car Locks
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <552-45809216-320@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
Maybe it is me but being right outside of N.Y city in a large populated
area, but since in 1969 when I got out of the Navy I never had a
problem getting key's made from codes or locks repaired or re-keyed to a
key I have for any Rambler or AMC I have had. Replacement cyl's now for
ignitions at auto parts stores for AMC's are for GM key's and can not
be made to fit AMC key's. Been there tried that. The orange Hornet came
with a GMC Ignition switch tumbler and key. No fun with 1 GM Ignition
key , and 1 AMC door key , one AMC key for the hatch . A friend on
Bart's group gave me an AMC tumbler cyl. for the ignition, I had the
ignition, door locks, glove box door and the hatch lock keyed the same
as my original yellow 74 Hornet. The bottom line is if some one says it
can't be done or a part can't be found find some one else. I go to my
local NON-Chain auto parts store and get 99% of the parts. You need to
check the local lock smith's that have been business for a long time (50
+ years) Done this for almost 46 of owning AMC's years before most of
you were born and decided it was a hobby. Sorry it is a way life with
me. And when AMC was in business parts were still hard to find at the
dealers and parts stores and even the zone offices too.
"Doc"
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:06:26 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six(short water pump)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <4486353.1166058386354.JavaMail.root@web37>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Speakin of old CJ's anyone kn ow what flavor axles came in what I would estimate to be late 60's early 70's narrowtrack CJ's? I know of a yard that had a few. I think at the time I loooked I thought they had Dana 44's in them, but it's beena while and now I'm not sure. Any idea of width and would they be worth anything? Ratios used?
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I had no idea the short water pumps were used in the big Jeeps in the
> " early days. Probably the 65-70 Kaiser Jeep, as the 230 OHC the AMC 232
> " replaced is a relatively short engine.
>
> yup! think i got it from the mitchell interchange. it figures about
> the 230; it was small bore and long stroke.
>
> " The stretched Jeep is the CJ-7, just to be picky!! ;>
>
> no, the cj7 had a -94"- wheelbase, 10" longer than the cj5, and it was
> needed for not only the th400 auto but also the quadratrac. the cj5
> got only the underhood stretch.
>
> i've heard of some cj7 - wrangler body swapping, but i don't recall
> now which way.
>
> " They used an inch or two under the hood so that a standard length
> " water pump could be used as well -- one pump for all six cylinder
> " engines.
>
> straightforward logic. somewhat amazing in an amc connection... ;^>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:16:12 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E-stick clutch
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <32169739.1166058972834.JavaMail.root@web37>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
We had a mint condition 63 Classic four door in Uniontown, Pa back in the 80's. One owner car that as the selling dealer we were still replacing the lifetime warranty exhaust on for time to time! It had 43K on it last time I saw it. I assume the woman has passed on, I don't know what happened to the car.
I drove it a few times. Very dissconcerting [god I wish I could spell!] to drive! Just hit the gas and go! Take your foot of the gas and shift!. The biggest misstake they made was using the large automatic brake pedal! Everyone that ever drove that car almost put themselves thru the window at least once going for the clutch pedal! If they'd have used the small brake pedal that would not be able to be done as easily!
My dad hated that car as he was the one that had to keep the E-stick working. More that one time it blew it's load of oil everywhere and he had to salvage it! He swore everytime that he wouldn't be able too, but always did!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Swygert wrote:
> I did a nice write-up on that thing for my book. It's a compilation of
> mechanical, hydraulic, and vacuum switches -- all which have to work
> together in just the right order. That's probably not to much of a
> problem though. The thing had to be made with a lot of slip in the
> clutch though, so with a lot of in-town driving the disc lasted around
> 20K-30K miles. I've only seen one E-stick car, and it was in the process
> of being converted to a regular clutch when I got it (and completed the
> conversion -- the pedal had been installed and the clutch/bell/oil pump
> changed -- old parts in trunk). It was SOOOOO long ago!! Back in 1985 or
> so. Had to give away the parts when I moved (not that I wanted them). It
> was converted because the engine had about 85K-90K miles and oil
> pressure had started dropping to the point the clutch would slip when
> cruising. Those engines would hold 60-70 psi cold, 40+ hot when new and
> in good condition. When it drops down to 25-30 hot the clutch would slip
> pulling hills. This was in Idaho, car was originally from around Boise,
> so there were a few "hills". The slipping problem was mostly in the
> mountains, hot and at altitude. In the valley with low inclines it
> wasn't to much trouble. I'm recalling most of this from 20 years ago and
> what the previous owner had told me, so I could be off a bit! I'm
> guessing on the oil pressure. I recall the little L-head ran great and
> had no problems with a standard stick shift, and oil pressure was "good"
> cold and hot for a near 100K mile engine with dubious maintenance.
>
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-List mailing list
> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:25:37 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <23460390.1166059537045.JavaMail.root@web37>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
The member who found that four speed car also mentioned that the shifter was GONE! What I remember about floor mount shifters for sticks is they suck for any form of agressive driving unless you have the engine/tranny mounts nailed down good. The combination of all the mounts flexing, plus body flex made for many a missed shift!
If I was healthy I would offer to check as I know a yard that had a twinstick American. It's been a while since I was down there though. Might be gone.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Swygert wrote:
> Good luck Dan, you're going to need it! As far as I recall 66 was the
> first year of the four speed, and the floor mounted shifter was only
> used in the 66 Classic and Ambassador, but may have been used in the
> American that year. I'll check my 67 TSM tonight, but I believe the 67
> and later cars had the tranny mount shifter like the 68 and later cars
> (mostly Javelin and AMX).
>
> Hurst used to make a three speed floor mount shifter made specifically
> for vans. I don't know if they ever made a four speed shifter like this.
> It's possible to use the three speed shifter. You have to put it in
> neutral then use an underdash cable (or some other means) for reverse.
> I've seen this done in a hot rod that needed a floor mount shifter -- a
> panel truck of some late 40s vintage I think.
>
> The three Twin-Stick three speed shifter would be another substitute,
> and probably easier to find. Use the three speed shifter for the four
> forward gears, OD in/out shifter for reverse.
>
> The Twin-Stick, four speed, and floor mounted auto shifter for 65-66 all
> used the same bolt on hump with different shifter mechanisms. That might
> help in locating a hump piece anyway.
>
> At least one member spotted a four speed 66 or so Rebel or Ambo in a
> junk yard. Maybe they will read this and see if they can score the
> shifter for you.
>
> -------------------------
> Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:27 PM
> From: Dan & Carey Smith <dan7@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
> If anyone has any ideas on where to find a hump mounted 4spd shift
> assembly for
> a 66 AMC.
> Please let me know
> I would be grateful for any help
> Either e-mail or phone me at 573-346-0088
> Thanks, Dan Smith
>
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-List mailing list
> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
------------------------------
Message: 14
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:34:01 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Looking for an SX/4 (NOT an SX-4!!!)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1166060041.4580aa09c445a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
It's been in ads on telly for a few months here now. I really want another of
mine on the road since my last one rusted too badly to be safe.
Ken
Quoting "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> AMC content: Doh! I'm lookin' at an SX4..... AMC number seven is in
> the
> wings.
> --------------------------
>
> My wife and I have been looking around on occasion at new cars, trying
> to get a feel for what we might want when the kid graduates college (not
> for her... for us!!). A friend recently bought a Suzuki Forenza, so we
> went to test drive one. They have a new mini SUV looking car, AWD. Guess
> what it's called -- SX-4!!! I did a double take when I saw it, and had
> to mention the history of the name to the dealer.
>
> Oh, nice pun there Jack! Talking about your brother being a pilot then
> your next AMC is "in the wings"...
>
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