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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Need (JOE FULTON)
2. Keys and Locks (Don Johnson)
3. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six
(Sandwich Maker)
4. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six
(Sandwich Maker)
5. Re: 1976 Pacer (Sandwich Maker)
6. 62 classic door hinge pin (d stohler)
7. Re: 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Need (Glenn Ford)
8. amc stuff fpr sale (russ hathaway)
9. Re: carb rebuidl help (Tom Jennings)
10. Re: 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Need (JOE FULTON)
11. Thinking about Cruise Control (JOE FULTON)
12. Re: gremlin sundowner sighting- So Cal. (Keleigh Hardie)
13. Re: stuff gets old (Keleigh Hardie)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:59:25 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Need
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <686519.40576.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Frank, thanks for the suggestions. I didn't think of
Peter Stathes. I went to the Kennedy American website
and he had the lock listed, so I ordered one. If it
is not the correct application, I will try Peter or
use one of the hot rodder tricks you mentioned.
I did want to emphasize that this is the SAME lock
that is used on the Weatherguard toolboxes (at least
some of them) but Weatherguard (Knaack) has
discontinued the lock now too. I was assuming that
the whole lock was made by Briggs & Stratton but I
could not find a web reference to order Briggs parts
either.
Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:53:20 -0500
From: Don Johnson <donjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Keys and Locks
To: AMC List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Joe,
I was browsing at my local Canadian Tire the other day and came across new door locks for my 70 AMX.
I don't know what the 77/78 Gremlin locks are like, but I think they are similar.
If you send me a picture, I could tell if they look the same.
These locks sell for about $35 for a set of 2.
I have also seen them on Ebay.
Don
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:13:25 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <613809.80123.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I have two Gremlin hatchback locks but no keys. I
also have a 75 Pacer which has no hatchback key. I
talked to my local locksmith today and these units are
not easily disassembled. To do so, you have to
destroy the bezel on the front by uncrimping it.
My locksmith tried to make a key for one of my Gremlin
locks by using the "K838" code on the lock. He could
not make a key that worked. I don't know what
catalogs he was working from, but he's the expert so I
didn't question the procedures.
He said the same lock assemblies were used on the
Weatherguard truck tool boxes make by Knaack (sp?). I
went to my local weatherguard distributor and they
could not match the key code. He did recognize the
lock assembly so my locksmith was right about
Weatherguard using the same lock. The keys he had in
the stored (which looked like AMC/GM ignition keys)
all started with the key code "K0xx". The distributor
called the Knacke factory and found that these locks
have been discontinued.
The AMC 77 TSM says the locks were provided as an
assembly and there is no stated procedure for
disasembling them. This is different from the door
locks, where there is a written procedure. The
locksmith said you would have to destroy the front
bezel to "uncrimp" it and remove the tumblers.
So my questions are:
Does anyone have a spare 77/78 Gremlin hatchback lock
with key? I'll pay whatever is reasonable.
If you have an assortment of old AMC keys, I would
also appreciate borrowing them, to try to find a key.
I'll return your keys promptly.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:12:25 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612121812.kBCICP802187@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" The 196 used a small clutch... might be smaller than 9-1/8" though I
" doubt it. The larger pattern in the 196 flywheel I had was around 10" to
" 10.5".
hmmm... that's a new one on me.
by '65, all 196s were using 9 1/8" clutches. that would be your
larger pattern; the bolts are 5/16" and iirc just clear a 10" disk, as
mopar used for the hd slant six.
the 10.5" pattern uses 3/8" bolts in about an 11.5" circle. all the
'64-'71 199/232/258 flywheels i've seen [not many] have these two
patterns.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:18:28 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, tina60f44@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612121818.kBCIIS802285@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jamie Smith" <oconner51@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
"
"
" >From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
"
" >I need a manual flywheel for a 1967 J3000 232 six cylinder. It is
" >smaller than the newer 232s & 258s, it took a 10 inch clutch & I am
" >having a hard time finding one. So all I can say is HELP!!!!!
"
"
" I have one off a 1968 J3000 with 232 if that will work. Not sure of
" condition but I can pull it in the next few days (clutch and flywheel
" are still bolted to engine) and check if you are interested. Someone
" please let me know if it is the same. (I am just guessing that it is).
it should be the same; afaik all '65-'71 jeeps are just like all
'64-'71 amcs. there are no engine differences i know of, save the
very short water pump amc only used on the '65 american.
i repeat, -any- '64-'71 amc/jeep manual trans 199/232/258 should have
tina's flywheel on it. there's only one flywheel for these years.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:21:54 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1976 Pacer
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx, robbie.deboer@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612121821.kBCILs902374@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Rob, your best bet will be to get in touch with AMCCF (AMC Club
" Finland), www.amccf.com. They should know what European outfits sell
" spare parts. If you can't find something, by all means post what you
" need here and someone will help you out! Most of the AMC specialty
" dealers will ship overseas. You can also try www.rockauto.com. They have
" many parts available for AMCs, and I think will ship overseas.
or wolfgang mederle, wolfgang.mederle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - he has a
pacer...
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:35:02 -0800 (PST)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 62 classic door hinge pin
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <866302.25819.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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i think my door hinge pins are getting worn, door is
not aligned, and i cant get it lined up right. i can
wiggle the door around on the upper hinge. i cant find
hinge pins for that specifically suprise suprise. does
anyone know what hinge pins just might be able to fit?
thanks
dave stohler
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:35:59 -0700
From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Need
To: "mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 09:59 AM
>From: JOE B FULTON
>I was assuming that
>the whole lock was made by Briggs & Stratton but I
>could not find a web reference to order Briggs parts
>either.
Joe, I googled this up, and found an interesting AMC connection. Briggs and
Sratton spun off Strattec as the lock division.
"Stratton was a marketing specialist, which wasn't an easy job with the
products AMC put on the streets in the 1970s. Stratton helped market the
infamous Pacer, "the first wide small car," he said, with a laugh."
"---whose family has been a part of Briggs & Stratton since its founding in
1909. Harold M. Stratton II, his full name, was the fourth and youngest
child in his family."
"Strattec, which has a virtual lock on the auto lock market."
http://www.hlflake.com/catalog.asp This is a link to a pictured catalog of
all locks available, as far as I can tell. If you google Strattec, you will
find other sites as well.
Here is a link to the article referenced above.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4207/is_19950403/ai_n10191613
Interesting bio.
Glenn Ford in Warburg Alberta.
'85 and '87 Wagoneer Limiteds (XJ), 2-'87 Eaglewagons ( 1-auto, 1-Limited
T-5)
Oops, hyperlinks disappeared. Cut and paste, then, to those sites.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:29:08 -0800 (PST)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] amc stuff fpr sale
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I'm getting another car in and need to make room and
raise some dough. The following is for sale, you can
email me or call at 503-589-9845 Pacific times,
Wednesday and Sunday eves are best.
SC/Rambler hood, nice paint-$400
401 flywheel, flex plate and balancer-$100.
T-10 complete from a 68 290-4v-$200.
343-4V from a 69 AMX-$50
232 standard crank-$25
196 head, no cracks and valves good-$25
1964 American- front fenders, both sides. Straight
and rust free. Steering column with good innards and
standard shift. Cowl cover, head light surrounds,
cluth and brake assy with bell and clutch.
1965 Classic- battery tray, clutch and brake assy from
232 OD
1967 Ambassador-Grille, cowl cover, middle front pan
1968 American 440 wagon, (This was a 38K mile car that
was perfect until it got T-boned, hopefully the rear
passengers survived)- Complete front end minus the
hood and fenders I even kept the radiator
support/headlight bucket piece, 232 short block, head
and rockers, 3-spoke wheel in green.
1972 Hornet- Grille (one small crak on the bottom),
battery tray, roll pan, rocker trim.
1972 Javelin- roll pan, 3-spd clutch and brake assy
from the bell to the aftermarket shifter.
1975 Gremlin- 4 cyl clutch and brake assy (cable
pull).
Call me on the body parts and lets dicker....Russ
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:31:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] carb rebuidl help
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612121123050.5833@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Ken Siroonian wrote:
> wondering if anyone has a tip on rebuidling a 1 BBL YF CARB FOR A 76
> PACER. I rebuilt it about 6 months ago due to engine flooding,
> overloading with fuel, black soot out of the exhaust, engine oil was
> getting black fast and oil level higher due to the fuel. I rebuilt it
> with a new float the black fiber float- just in case. the old one I
> tested was fine anyway. now it is doing the same thing, albeit it has
> not been driven more than a few hundred miles in all that time. she
> uses it rarely, and the choke is coming off ok, but it just won't run
> right with all that fuel and the belches of black soot/smoke. any ideas
> what I may or may not be doing right. are the adjustments that
> critical, I am following the amc spec book as well as the carb rebuild
> sheet, and the float level does not seem high or out of whack. I have
> not pulled the carb off the car yet, just the top. is there an
> adjustment I can make on the car and try again before i rebuild it. the
> needle and seat looked ok, though I have only done these a few times. i
> adjusted the idle screw ok as well. does that affect more than just the
> park idle. any ideas will be apreciated. regards.
Hmm... you have a stock fuel pump? Not an aftermarket or
electric pump?
And a good clean new quality fuel filter, plumbed before
the carb?
The choke is off or disconnected, for testing? Turn it 4 -
6 or more notches LEAN, the choke plate should be open. It
would be unpleasant to drive it that way in cold weather,
but it will help for testing.
As a test, with the choke fully open, your foot OFF the throttle,
cranking the engine, the carb should stay DRY. It probably
won't start, but the carb should NOT get wet inside. If it
does, you have somethin wrong in the carb, float stuck, sunk,
dirt in the needle and seat, etc.
Some crude but simple diagnostic tests:
With car OFF! carb assembled and on car. Put clean hose on the
carb fuel inlet, blow into it. If the car was cranked previously,
the bowl should be full of gas and the needle and seat should
be CLOSED. You should NOT be able to blow into it. If you can,
or you hear even seeping of your breath into the carb, 3 -
4 psi of fuel will definitely push in there, flooding it.
You can even more crudely test the needle and seat by taking the
top off the carb, leaving the needle, set, float attached. Blow
into the fuel inlet; with the top right side up, air should
flow. Turn it upside down, it should stop. If it doesn't do that,
fix it.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:52:34 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Need
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <893377.91153.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Thanks Glenn. That Flake site was a good resource.
There is everything I need for my lock on that page.
The lock ZI'm talking about is 608695. The bezel is
also available seperately so theoretically I have ask
my locksmith to order the bezel and then rekey my
locks. I have three of those locks if anybody needs
one.
No keys though, yet. Ha.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:54:50 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Thinking about Cruise Control
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <898630.61978.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I'm considering adding cruise control to my 77
Gremlin. The cheapest aftermarket kit I have found is
from Audiovox. It uses magnets (on the driveshaft
presumably) to detect the speed.
Does anyone have any experience with this unit or
should I try to pull a cruise from a later model AMC
Eagle or Concord?
Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:19:50 -0700
From: "Keleigh Hardie" <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] gremlin sundowner sighting- So Cal.
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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That car belongs to Charlie, a guide for one of the island interior tour bus
companies. He's owned it since it was new. (I met him on one of the planning
trips for my wedding in Avalon last summer)...
Keleigh
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:06:07 -0500
> From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] gremlin sundowner sighting- So Cal.
> To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> I was on a business trip to so cal/laguna beach last week, and on a
> free day took the boat trip to Catlalina island with a colleague. took
> a tour around the island and then did some walking, only to do a double
> take and see a 2 tone gold/tan 1977 Gremlin "sundowner" parked on a
> side street. It had the sundowner decal on the C pillar.
>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:29:46 -0700
From: "Keleigh Hardie" <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] stuff gets old
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I believe that that is a recent phenomenon, historically speaking. Up until
the last century, things stayed pretty much the same for the duration of a
human lifetime (which was shorter then, to boot). Now, by the time you're
grown up, all the technology you learned is obsolete. It seems it's now
beginning to affect values and social structures as well. In a discussion
about this with my wife recently I said, "if feel like the world I was
raised to live in was all but over by the time I was old enough to take my
place in it. Young folks today will no doubt feel that way when they reach
middle age, I'd bet...
Keleigh
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:12:53 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] stuff gets old.
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
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Tom, upon occasion I will forward one of your posts to my brother, Frank
called Lad. This morning I did so with your "stuff gets old" post. Here is
a bit of his response to your question, "So why is it we drive these old
things?!"
Snip ----
I can come up with many answers to Tom's rhetorical question, "So why is it
we
drive these old things?!" Among the many, the one I like the most: We were
born in the wrong era. While things of today hold a curiosity and certain
amount of "entertainment" value, the things of yesterday truly fascinate and
captivate our thoughts. Have you ever said, "I was born a generation too
late"?
I know I have. As much as things of aviation grip my being, the fast-moving
jets with their fly-by-wire technology and ability to accurately acquire and
destroy targets miles away simply don't thrill me. Give me the cockpit of a
Corsair or a Mustang or a you-name-it round engine or V-12 powered propeller
plane and I'm in my element. I've never flown one, nor have I ever sat in
one;
but, I know it is my element. There has always been a feeling deep inside
my
gut for old airplanes that spewed to the surface the first time my hands
were placed on a control yoke. It was unmistakable and familiar and
somewhat eerie all at once. As Yogi Berra would say, "d?j? vu all over
again." I knew how to fly and had only touched the yoke.
It is that inexplicable love and familiarity with things of yesterday that
pulls
us back to the earlier time. Not because they're simpler, because in many
ways
they aren't; but, because they are comfortable in our hands.
Lad
End Snip ----
My brother was an accomplished pilot holding a commercial rotary wing and
single engine fixed wing license until an unexplained seizure grounded him
for life. He is due to retire from the DOD, USTRANSCOM, in less than a
year.
AMC content: Doh! I'm lookin' at an SX4..... AMC number seven is in the
wings.
Jack
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