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Today's Topics:
1. Re: mustang suspension (Mark Price)
2. In the hole (Mahoney, John)
3. Front Strut rod replacement (Mark Price)
4. (John Rosa) It Is The First Of November Are You Parting Out
Hornet? (Mr. AMC)
5. Prothane = Strut bushings (Mark Price)
6. Re: big ugly (Michael Pell)
7. Re: Prothane = Strut bushings (Tom Jennings)
8. Re: mustang suspension (Mark Price)
9. Re: Duraspark distributor woes (258 six) (Tom Jennings)
10. tabs on steering wheel--what sheen is factory? (Steven Fox)
11. Mustang suspension/Big ugly ect. (Verron Bretemps)
12. Re: Duraspark distributor woes (258 six) (Sandwich Maker)
13. Re: Mustang suspension/Big ugly ect. (Ken Ames)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:19:31 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] mustang suspension
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
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OK, I can't find the link, But I found a Co. That builds strut rods and suspension pieces, I want to see about haveing them build a strut rod that has the 65 Ambassador front and the late model rear with extra length and threading for full adjustmentability. That is ideally what we need for these cars.
Going to poly or rod endsin a street car makes for increased NVH and ride quality suffers. The mustangs of the same era can get by with stiffer stuff for one reason. the actually frame end of the the strut is clear at the front of the car. On our cars it is right under our feet!
Some people don't care. I don't expect a cadillac ride from my American, if I did I would not have used Poly bushings and V-8 springs! I did stay with rubber strut bushings. By doing so I get a fairly decent ride even with poly and the V8 springs. I don't want this stuff in the Ambassador.
I sit here now wondering if one could build a generic strut rod for these. You could use a rod end on the lower control arm end and a late model bushing setup on the floor end. Would the control arm take this though? Going to a single rod end on the control arm would remove the strut rods ability to hold the control arm flat and then it would be able to twist. Going from two bolts to one would also stress the hole used more than using two holes. You could use a plate sandwich the control arm to help that.
I've seen several pics now of MII conversions in Americans, I'm not impressed that the really do anything worthwhile! If I was going to do a conversion, I'd go with a 84-89 Vette frt. It appears to be a better match for the weight of the larger cars, track width is almost right on the money, Boneyard costs are real comparable too.
While I'm one here I noticed that there is also 304 Flywheel up on Ebay if you are looking for one.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> ok, im not sure where the mustang 2 suspension came in at. if anyone has the issue of car craft, with the red lookin i think it was a chevelle on it, they did an upgrade on their mustangs suspension. it has tubular upper a arms, tubular lower arm, not a arm, adjustable strut rod, and ball joints upper and lower.
>
> my thing is not with the trunion. mine are still serviceable. my bushings are going bad. it sat in a field for 20 years or so. and then i started drivin it and have in the last 6 years put about 6000 miles on it. i have seen that at espo i think it was i can get bushings. the strut bushing tho i have been told is the weird one for my 62 big body car. something about they are to small or something. dont really understand how it was described to me before. anyway that it wont work the way it was bought. i got that tubular triangulated rear suspension to put in it. i was liking how the tubular suspension for the stock mustang looked. keeps the factory high spring. no need to cut spring towers or nothing. i just wanted to know if anyone knew if the length of the mustang arms are anywhere near the same as the rambler and if where the lower and upper mounts are, the spindle would still sit true to the road surface. if i confused anyone i didnt mean to. i know i can just pull my
> stock stuff apart and repaint it and get most of the bushings. the strut arm tho is what i have been told is the pain in the rear. i guess if no one understands exactly what im talkin about i will just have to wing it and find out...
>
> frank by the way, i got a mustang 2 disk brake kit. the hubs do NOT NOT NOT fit my spindles. the bearings suplied are different size, my bearings for my stock hub dont fit the m2 hub, and the spindle would need to be extended out about 1.5" to keep from rubbin on the trunion. it is an 11" rotor. i could make it fit maybe by finding bearings that might fitby trial and erorr. and use some kind of braket maybe to space out the spindle. but then strength factor would come in to play. i didnt feel like playin that route. not sure how else an m2 rotor is suposed to fit. i like the idea of using the factory hub and putting a hat over it. that might work....
>
> dave stohler
> (confused today)
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:27:19 -0500
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] In the hole
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As the supply of unsold American cars piles up, can Toyota's sales head ahead of both Ford's and GM's? Can half of Visteon's engineering staff and three-quarters of its factory employment be headed to India, China, Turkey, and Eastern Europe in three years? Can Sebring go head-to-head with Honda? Can Ford head off disaster to profit from a new V-8 "Boss"? Can Chrysler head ahead by assembling vehicles for VW or can Mopar still fall back like when AMC faced Omni-present failure by assembling K-cars in Kenosha --- yet headed off into the Horizon nonetheless? Can "domestic" makes make headway heading into the future by cutting back on production and model choices? Can an "American Motors Heads Ahead: 1974-1984" plan work today --- if it didn't work back then? Finally, can America afford a 392 Hemi Challenger SS after it empties its pockets by standing on its head? Soapbox derby or soap opera? How's it headed? To what end?
Were Archimedes' archeological find near Cupertino
>>From: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/car/226760642.html
not an SST, it could've been my erstwhile 550: a rarer model in the very same color, but in a different state of "wrecked" --- mine had been "Bondo-ed" to death. (And it wasn't a natural Frost White; it was born a Tahiti Turquoise bombshell...)
>>
I've recently acquired my first AMC car; a '61 Rambler Wagon Deluxe.
Here's some pics: http://www.indianachevelles.com/pellwagon.html
<<
In all its Virgil glory, it's a perfect Ex-ample of something your AMC experts haven't written about. A fascinating chapter before there was such a thing as a crossover. Do you know the what, why, or wherefore?
There's a -reason- for [almost] all auto styling.
http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B15449.jpg
Just as surely as there was a rare '61 Ambassador.
>>
Wolfgang on and the amc-list this originated in your fatherland!
http://www.mis-group.com/funny/drunk/help_the_drunk_get_home-Original.htm
<<
Ch-eesh, Eddie (and it is good to see that Wolfgang still -is- around...), it originated in another place renowned for having fine heads of cheese
http://www.switzerland-cheese.com/deutsch/index_1.htm
(you have just four days to nominate your favorite -green- cheese fan...)
http://www.packers.com/fan_zone/fan_hall_of_fame/
and has more fun fuer fonz.
http://www.wagenschenke.ch/
Or for "South Park" fans...
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:56:02 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Front Strut rod replacement
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Here's the only Mustang piece I've seen that I would consider ready to modify to fit an AMC.
http://www.streetortrack.com/Street-or-Track-Adjustable-Strut-Rods-pr-16135.html
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:18:04 -0500
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] (John Rosa) It Is The First Of November Are You
Parting Out Hornet?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
JohnRosa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Did you sell the 73 Hornet Hatchback? If not is it being parted out like
you said by Nov. 1'st? I have the 100$ cash in hand for the 2 extra rust
free front fenders you said you have. I also want the hatch with glass
and stainless glass hatch trim. Cash in hand and cash for delivery. A
fair price for the parts and delivery is no problem. It will give you a
chance to see how nice the re-upholstered Javelin seats look in my
orange Hornet you sold me 2 years ago. I am trying to organise parts for
the body work and paint job on my yellow Hornet this winter. E-mail me
at amc74hornet@xxxxxxxxxx
"Doc"
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:29:50 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Prothane = Strut bushings
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Well, I just searched on the early Strut bushings and found that Prothan now makes them!
AMC
62-64 AMBASSADOR FT. STRUT ROD BUSHING KIT, 5/8" #1-1207
Their site also says the rear track bar bushings for 63-66 are coming soon!
http://www.prothane.com/pages/whatsnew2.html
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:18:20 -0500
From: Michael Pell <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] big ugly
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hehe! I'm in Indianapolis!
I'll poke around for some disc brakes. if that falls through, I'll get
back with you.
Thanks for the offer.
Mike
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russ hathaway wrote:
>Mike; some AMCers in your area, Joe are out there,
>might have some later year drums. Since 74 was the
>year mandated for front discs I would check out 72 or
>so Hornet/Gremlin/Jav drums. The fronts will just bolt
>on (no MC to worry about, no worries) and you can
>plumb in a balancing valve. The stock rears can be
>converted once you get around to pulling the axles and
>replace the seals/bearings.
>You would want discs of course, but the drum update is
>the most expedient right now.
>I have a pile of drums that is getting larger and if
>you want to pay postage I can send you a set of newer
>drums, but Joe Fulton is up in Salinas , which is
>closer than Oregon, and he may be able to set you up.....Russ
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:28:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Prothane = Strut bushings
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> Well, I just searched on the early Strut bushings and found that Prothan now makes them!
>
> AMC
> 62-64 AMBASSADOR FT. STRUT ROD BUSHING KIT, 5/8" #1-1207
>
> Their site also says the rear track bar bushings for 63-66 are coming soon!
Holee ka-rap! Cool!
Too bad prothane uses some lame-o ISP, as their website is
unreachable right now, same as their nameservers. Doh. I tried
from Los Angeles and Seattle.
I'll try again later.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:22:01 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] mustang suspension
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
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I neglected to mention that I don't think the Mustang stuff is even close to working.
I'll look into seeing if I can find the info for that co I found. I'd like to get a fix for the lack of good bushings and the lack of adjustabiliy on the early cars.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> ok, im not sure where the mustang 2 suspension came in at. if anyone has the issue of car craft, with the red lookin i think it was a chevelle on it, they did an upgrade on their mustangs suspension. it has tubular upper a arms, tubular lower arm, not a arm, adjustable strut rod, and ball joints upper and lower.
>
> my thing is not with the trunion. mine are still serviceable. my bushings are going bad. it sat in a field for 20 years or so. and then i started drivin it and have in the last 6 years put about 6000 miles on it. i have seen that at espo i think it was i can get bushings. the strut bushing tho i have been told is the weird one for my 62 big body car. something about they are to small or something. dont really understand how it was described to me before. anyway that it wont work the way it was bought. i got that tubular triangulated rear suspension to put in it. i was liking how the tubular suspension for the stock mustang looked. keeps the factory high spring. no need to cut spring towers or nothing. i just wanted to know if anyone knew if the length of the mustang arms are anywhere near the same as the rambler and if where the lower and upper mounts are, the spindle would still sit true to the road surface. if i confused anyone i didnt mean to. i know i can just pull my
> stock stuff apart and repaint it and get most of the bushings. the strut arm tho is what i have been told is the pain in the rear. i guess if no one understands exactly what im talkin about i will just have to wing it and find out...
>
> frank by the way, i got a mustang 2 disk brake kit. the hubs do NOT NOT NOT fit my spindles. the bearings suplied are different size, my bearings for my stock hub dont fit the m2 hub, and the spindle would need to be extended out about 1.5" to keep from rubbin on the trunion. it is an 11" rotor. i could make it fit maybe by finding bearings that might fitby trial and erorr. and use some kind of braket maybe to space out the spindle. but then strength factor would come in to play. i didnt feel like playin that route. not sure how else an m2 rotor is suposed to fit. i like the idea of using the factory hub and putting a hat over it. that might work....
>
> dave stohler
> (confused today)
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:25:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Duraspark distributor woes (258 six)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Jim Blair wrote:
>
> > The vacuum advance would be your extra degrees for "total"
>
> Well, yes and no, from what I can tell.
>
> I know I'm not racing, though WOT simulates it a bit; zero
> vacuum, timing is static+mechanical. I believe under this
> circumstance I should be able to run 36 - 38 degrees total
> advance (for the six).
I've been sick (nasty headcold) and that stopped me cold on
working on the car.
Turns out I have RC12LYC Champion plugs in there. The "L"
means extended electrode; I got them from a local parts store
by looking up "83 Jeep". They should be RC12YC, not "L". Either
they didn't notice the L, or they substituted, and I wasn't
paying attention.
So I've mailordered RC9YC's, and will play with timing with
these colder plugs when those arrive.
I'm thinking that the absolute best way to determine optimum
ignition timing for a given set of circumstances is exhaust
gas temperature. I'm not likely to do anything about that,
but I might look around to see if there's a temp probe that
fits in an oxy sensor bung hole.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:19:28 -0800
From: "Steven Fox" <bikerfox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] tabs on steering wheel--what sheen is factory?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hello All,
I'm getting my steering wheel refinished ('68 AMX) and was wondering about those three metal tabs on the steering wheel. What was their original sheen? chrome? satin? neither? Will someone please shed some light on this topic?
Thanks,
Steve
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:56:07 -0500
From: "Verron Bretemps" <amxron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Mustang suspension/Big ugly ect.
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Seems some are talking about Mustang II (Nick A's future kit) and some
about 67-73 Mustang style which AMC adapted to the 70 up cars. Has
anyone compared the 67 up Ford parts with the AMC stuff ???? The upper
control arms, spring seats and shocks appear close at first glance. I
used 67 Mustang-Fairlane style shocks on my 70 AMX NHRA stock race
car, exact fit! Perhaps 67 up aftermarket parts could used on our
AMC's.
RE: Strut rods, Pierre Bochamp, in Canada makes race strut rods for
AMC's. I haven't used them but, the pictures look good.
RE: Mustang II With all the development allready done on this setup
an AMC crossmember is long overdue. Along these lines has anyone
adapted a Pacer suspension unit to any other AMC's? I've seen them on
a few street rods (with the power rack, large discs and 5X4.5 b.c.).
amxron
Orbit AMC/Jeep
Brentwood, Md
50-1787
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 01:31:33 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Duraspark distributor woes (258 six)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200611020631.kA26VXe20677@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
"
"
" Turns out I have RC12LYC Champion plugs in there. The "L"
" means extended electrode; I got them from a local parts store
" by looking up "83 Jeep". They should be RC12YC, not "L". Either
" they didn't notice the L, or they substituted, and I wasn't
" paying attention.
the L shouldn't matter. 12 is the heat range, and if it's a 12 it
should be a 12.
" So I've mailordered RC9YC's, and will play with timing with
" these colder plugs when those arrive.
this should be the significant change.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:46:23 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Mustang suspension/Big ugly ect.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1162460783.4549be6fddec0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
If you have a good supply, the Pacer front suspension is also a stand-alone
setup with rack-and-pinion and all in the crossmember.
Ken
Quoting Verron Bretemps <amxron@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Seems some are talking about Mustang II (Nick A's future kit) and some
> about 67-73 Mustang style which AMC adapted to the 70 up cars. Has
> anyone compared the 67 up Ford parts with the AMC stuff ???? The upper
> control arms, spring seats and shocks appear close at first glance. I
> used 67 Mustang-Fairlane style shocks on my 70 AMX NHRA stock race
> car, exact fit! Perhaps 67 up aftermarket parts could used on our
> AMC's.
> RE: Strut rods, Pierre Bochamp, in Canada makes race strut rods for
> AMC's. I haven't used them but, the pictures look good.
> RE: Mustang II With all the development allready done on this setup
> an AMC crossmember is long overdue. Along these lines has anyone
> adapted a Pacer suspension unit to any other AMC's? I've seen them on
> a few street rods (with the power rack, large discs and 5X4.5 b.c.).
>
> amxron
> Orbit AMC/Jeep
> Brentwood, Md
> 50-1787
> _________________________________________________________________
>
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