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Today's Topics:
1. for sale 69 Ambassador SST & 74 Hornet Sportabout (Eddie Stakes)
2. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 31 (Michael Bailey)
3. Re: performance cam for 196 ohv (Tom Jennings) (Clarence Milstead)
4. Piston pin heights 327/287 (Mark Price)
5. Re: performance cam for 196 ohv (Tom Jennings) (Sandwich Maker)
6. San Jose Ca vehicle ID verifier (JohnBherna@xxxxxxx)
7. Jeep? Ford? same difference (hot rod chassis!) (Tom Jennings)
8. 68 javelin wanted: headers, red interior, misc (Eddie Stakes)
9. 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale (Eddie Stakes)
10. Eagle or SX/4 wanted (Eddie Stakes)
11. Parting out 77 AMX (Eddie Stakes)
12. NOS Gremlin door glass seals for sale (Eddie Stakes)
13. 68 AMX brake proportioning valve wanted (Eddie Stakes)
14. Re: San Jose Ca vehicle ID verifier (Matt Haas)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:53:18 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] for sale 69 Ambassador SST & 74 Hornet Sportabout
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I have a 69 Ambassador SST, 290 Typhoon, AT, AC, PS, PDB, tilt, tint,
electric wipers, rather loaded with original Pompeii Yellow paint. It has
rust in trunk and a few other areas like a few holes in roof. However, it
cranks right up, runs and driver great, no klunks, rattles when driving.
Everything works from electric wipers, to turns, brake lights, ect. AC needs
charging but has complete system.
The lady I bought it from had a number of records, and somewhere here I have
a lot of the original sale of paperwork, as the car was sold new in St.
Louis, MO.
Anyhows, I need to move it one way or another. I have debated parting it
out, as I could use the windshield, and possibly a few odds and ends.
However, darn it, it is a good running car! Might be a good first AMC for
someone or maybe a winter beater. This is my ad off epage.com and if you
need more photos, let me know:
http://epage.com/js/mi/c0/1853577.html
It was a no sale on ebay at $975.00 and there is a good description of the
vehicle there although photos are now gone:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4630772691
Either way it has to go, along with the 74 Hornet Sportabout I have for sale
for $575. http://epage.com/js/mi/n0/1621044.html
I hate to part out either but I do really need to move both, and would like
both gone before end of year. Thanks for looking!
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:36:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 31
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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wrote:
Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:06:17 -0600
From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 287/327 Piston Heights-MATH
>Michael, back away from the boring bar, LOL!
15/16" = 60/64", subtract 57/64" = 3/64", as stated.
"I cut it 3 times and it was STILL too short." Famous electrician joke.
Glenn Ford
-----> uhhh... he he.. that's what I get for reading a book while doing math in my head as I type messages. OK, you caught me. it IS 3/64ths of an inch difference in height between 2 and 4 barrel pistons for the 327 engine. Let's hope I'm not typing the next time I measure pistons. /;]
m.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:01:19 -0500
From: "Clarence Milstead" <cmilstead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] performance cam for 196 ohv (Tom Jennings)
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <002101c6ed80$c9c6e5d0$a3f444cf@1r75r01>
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I don't know anything about the 196 ohv engine but from what people have
said the intake valve is in the head and the exhaust is in the block, is
that right? In the 1950's I did some work on flat head Fords and we would
port and relieve the block for better breathing. Wouldn't the same procedure
work on this engine? It sure helped the flat head Fords to breathe better
and you could run a hotter cam. Just a thought.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:05:44 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Piston pin heights 327/287
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
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That's Ok I think I left all the 1's in front of the compression heights when I sent the last reply out!
Someone on here asked me about using the Early Hemi pistons in the 327. I forget who. I was looking at Arias catalog and I see these pistons are so very close to being right for the 327! Being as they are forgings IIRC it looks like by simply removing the big valve reliefs on the inboard/outboard edges from the machining process they could well be a wonderfully easy piston choice.
Ideally the piston would need the valve reliefs not cut and the pin cut to The AMC spec. I get the feeling that you might as well just count on buying a "custom" forging as that is what they will charge you for!
Back to my early rambling, How much could decking will an early Gen I engine stand? That would be the easiest approach to the problem of no longer having the 4 barrel pistons available. Flip side is if your spending $330+ on the two barrel pistons for replacement you might as well spend $600+ to get the forged customs.
I was hoping to find a dished piston that would allow bringing the quench into modern spec and keep compression at or under 9.5-1.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> wrote:
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:06:17 -0600
> From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 287/327 Piston Heights-MATH
>
>
> >Michael, back away from the boring bar, LOL!
>
> 15/16" = 60/64", subtract 57/64" = 3/64", as stated.
>
> "I cut it 3 times and it was STILL too short." Famous electrician joke.
>
> Glenn Ford
>
> -----> uhhh... he he.. that's what I get for reading a book while doing math in my head as I type messages. OK, you caught me. it IS 3/64ths of an inch difference in height between 2 and 4 barrel pistons for the 327 engine. Let's hope I'm not typing the next time I measure pistons. /;]
> m.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:23:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] performance cam for 196 ohv (Tom Jennings)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610112223.k9BMNto05612@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Clarence Milstead" <cmilstead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" I don't know anything about the 196 ohv engine but from what people have
" said the intake valve is in the head and the exhaust is in the block, is
" that right?
there are two 196s, a flathead and an ohv derived from it. no f-head
version. the ohv has both valves in the head. there's also a rare
version of the ohv with an aluminum block but i think an iron head.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:56:45 EDT
From: JohnBherna@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] San Jose Ca vehicle ID verifier
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <c42.53ec1d5.325edebd@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hello,
I have a 1967 Rambler Wagon that I have had since 1973. It has been in my
garage and I have had it running this year. I broke the stud for that mounts
the thermostat housing and have had no success in removing the broken stud. I
plan to drill it out, and maybe insert a heli-coil.
My problem right now is that I have to get the vehicle ID verified so that I
can complete the DMV paper work and keep my original black California plates.
Does anyone know a peace officer, DMV employee, Auto Club or Vehicle Verifier
that would stop by my house and sign the DMV paperwork for me? I live near
Almaden Expressway and Branham Lane in San Jose. It would only take a few
minutes.
Thanks,
John
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:34:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Jeep? Ford? same difference (hot rod chassis!)
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610111717310.6146@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Still cogitating over a Rambler hot rod. Pretty much settled
on a Rambler six, 3-speed/OD, rambler rear. Probably a stock
motor or minor performance hacks.
Ignoring "sheet metal" or glas for now, thinking about chassis;
rails, front axle, all that rot. The hot rod stuff (aka old ford
repro and workalikes, and aftermarket fitments like Mustang II
front ends), it's all quite doable.
But then I stumbled upon photos of a 1984 Jeep CJ chassis --
it's of course just a pair of rails that suuuure looks a lot
like a 32 Ford! (If you take off your glasses and squint.)
Close enough to make an all-AMC hotrod!
(eBay is a great way to check out random ideas for Stuff; what's available,
how much, etc. This one is too crappy and too far away for me, but
good enough for looking at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-JEEP-CJ-CHASSIS_W0QQitemZ250037634201QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6280QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem )
So there's two ways to go with this:
1) strip a Jeep literally down to the rails, lower suspension to
street-car height (swap out springs etc), and find/modify/make
a rod style body to go on it. I'm not sure how low it could go,
the rear fram arch isn't very deep (but I wanted a "tall boy",
hotrod-wise). This would then be a 4wd hotrod?
Eh, it's too much of a jeep to be a hotrod.
2) Go further and strip out the front axle. I've never heard
of a short jeep w/2wd, but what do I know. But of course a beam
axle would do just fine -- lots of parts there!
It would be a real Rambler Mentality hot rod, in the good sense
-- fun, old style, cheap and all Rambler!
OK, *NOW* I go to a junkyard with camera, tape measure and
notepad!
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:46:54 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 68 javelin wanted: headers, red interior, misc
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: harry bublitz <nash126@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hello, I'm looking for a few parts for my 68 javelin sst. 1st headers that
will fit in with out doubt in it's engine bay. Either bolted too a 360-401 i
due not have a sway bar so it's a strait shot. 2nd red interior just let me
know what you have. 3rd a nice front and rear bumper 4th Positraction rear
end 5th a rust free driver side front fender. I need to now whats a fair
price for a complete re-builder with 4bbr carb dog leg heads 401 ? thanks
also Ed thanks for this great amc site Harold nash126@xxxxxxxxxxx
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anyone that can help out Harold give him a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:48:54 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale
To: <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: carson44@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <027f01c6ed9b$2e3fba40$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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1971 amx 401 4speed project car.make me an offer.IT HAS MINIMAL SURFACE
RUST FLOORS,TRUNK,AND TROFFS LOOK EXCELANT.MOTOR WAS REBUILT THE CAR HAS NO
FRONT PARTS ENGINE BAY PARTS. IT NEED CARPETS HEADLINER MMATERIAL TRUNK
PARTS DRIVESAFT TO MOTOR PARTS TRANY WAS TAKEN APART AND PARTS LOSTTHE
PROJECT SAT IN A BARN FOR OVER 15 YEARS IT HAD 3 PAINT JOBS AND OF COURSE
NEEDS PAINT IF YOU HAD A DONAR CAR IT WOULD MAKE LIFE EASY BECAUSE OF THE
RAREITY I WOULD NOT PART IT OUT. VIN A1M7982155315 ,BODY ROO8142,MODEL
7179-8,TRIM 161S.E038097 THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FEW PROJECTS THAT WOULD BRING
ALL THE MONEY FINISHED BECAUSE OF THE RARETY,THIS PROJECT HAS THE RIGHT VIN
NUMBERS, AMX 401 4SPEED NO RUST , THE MOTOR WAS SENT TO A MACHINE SHOP.JUST
GATHER THE PARTS AND DO SOME BODYWORK. AGAIN OFFERS CONSIDERED TILL THE END
OF OCTOBER. viktor nafranowicz carson44@xxxxxxxxxxxx 603 483 2222
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anyone interested in the vehicle above give them a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:08:06 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Eagle or SX/4 wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: accamper@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <028201c6ed9b$2f222b00$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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hi i'm looking for a eagle or a sx4 in the southwest pa. please call me at
724 433 3292 thanks corey accamper@xxxxxxxxxxx 7244333292
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anyone that can help them out please feel free to give them a shout above,
thanks.
***Note I have several Eagles for sale you could fly in and drive home, I
guess depending on where southwest is:
http://epage.com/js/mi/n0/1764174.html
1981 Eagle, factory 4cylinder, 4speed on floor
and my 1982 Eagle, which has a new carb, alumimum valve cover and tune up
and is being driven daily again:
http://epage.com/js/mi/c0/1853682.html
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:05:09 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Parting out 77 AMX
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: dome3876@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <028101c6ed9b$2ed5dfc0$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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I will be parting out a 1977 AMX Hornet, he car is yellow exterior with all
black interior. This car is equiped with an 258-6 auto tranny. the reason I
am parting it out rather than selling it whole is that the car has cancer on
a few panels such as the fenders hood and doors, other than that the car has
a complete interior and runs very well. e-mail me if you have any requests
or wouls like to make offer on parts. Thanks Curt M, dome3876@xxxxxxxxxxx
727-515-1309 727-323-9128
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anyone interested in the parts above, give them a shout.
and Not theirs but mine in the Shameless plug department:
anyone interested in 77 AMX Press photo I have several for $9 each:
http://www.planethoustonamx.com/press_photos/77_amx_pr.JPG
also have some 77 AMC all models NOS color catalogs for $10:
http://www.planethoustonamx.com/parts/77_NOS_CC.JPG
a pair of NOS 77 (((AMX black vinyl decals:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330038097559
and not shown here I have some NOS 77 American Motors Paint Chip Charts with
Lustre Guard original paint, these are $4 each.
and lastly, have a COMPLETE SET of 77 technical service manuals on ebay
right now at $9.99 for the whole set:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330038093106
but the car getting parted out ain't mine!
Eddie Stakes
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:47:52 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] NOS Gremlin door glass seals for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: LTHOM49086@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <027e01c6ed9b$2de2a620$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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FOR SALE : NOS DOOR GLASS SEALS FOR GREMLIN [WINDOW SLIDES HERE] 70.00 PER
SET LOUISE THOMPSON LTHOM49086@xxxxxxx 352-429-8199
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anyone interested in the parts give Louise a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:09:01 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 68 AMX brake proportioning valve wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <028301c6ed9b$2f650060$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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hi i'm looking for a 68 amx proportion valve power brake drum wheels please
call 724-433-3292 thanks
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anyome that can help out the above give them a call, thanks.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:34:45 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] San Jose Ca vehicle ID verifier
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20061011211951.02813ee0@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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John,
Regarding your broken stud: You may be able to use a left handed drill bit
or a screw extractor to remove it. The stud should not be torqued into the
block so it might come out without much fuss. If you know someone who can
TIG weld, you can try having them weld something to the end of it and
backing it out that way. There's nothing wrong with your plans to use a
screw insert but the thermostat housing is a fairly tight fit over the
studs so there isn't much wiggle room.
Here's what you need for hardware in case anything's turned up missing:
2 - 5/16" studs (one short, one long -- don't have the lengths handy but
you should replace both of them) with course threads on the block end and
fine threads on the other
2 - 5/16" flat washers (these go against the thermostat housing)
2 - 5/16" lock washers (these are probably bad anyway)
2 - 5/16" fine thread nuts
I also recommend putting Permatex #2 on the block end of the studs (and the
gasket itself) and a very light coating of anti-seize over the studs to
keep this from happening.
Matt
At 07:56 PM 10/11/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have a 1967 Rambler Wagon that I have had since 1973. It has been in my
>garage and I have had it running this year. I broke the stud for that mounts
>the thermostat housing and have had no success in removing the broken
>stud. I
>plan to drill it out, and maybe insert a heli-coil.
>
>My problem right now is that I have to get the vehicle ID verified so that I
>can complete the DMV paper work and keep my original black California
>plates.
>Does anyone know a peace officer, DMV employee, Auto Club or Vehicle Verifier
>that would stop by my house and sign the DMV paperwork for me? I live near
>Almaden Expressway and Branham Lane in San Jose. It would only take a few
>minutes.
>
>Thanks,
>John
>_______________________________________________
>AMC-List mailing list
>AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
>or go to http://www.amc-list.com
mhaas@xxxxxxx
Cincinnati, OH
http://www.mattsoldcars.com
1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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