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Today's Topics:

   1. AMX Grilles (Don Johnson)
   2. Re: Billet Windshield Washer Tank (Mark Price)
   3. AMX grilles (russ hathaway)
   4. crippled AMCer (russ hathaway)
   5. Re: AMX grilles (Widiker, John D)
   6. Looking back (Mahoney, John)
   7. AMX grille (Michael Bailey)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:31:10 -0400
From: Don Johnson <donjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX Grilles
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Tom,
Thank you for posting that info.
I looked into getting a mould done for the 70 AMX ( I have a NOS grille for the pattern). Here in Montreal, the cheapest injection mould was going to run me between $30K & $50K and I believe that included a laser scan in the production process. The mould was to be made out of metal and would have weighed about 5000 lbs.
I knew there had to be a cheaper way of doing it but was unable to come up with the method, maybe this is it.
Being a complete novice when it comes to plastic manufacturing does not help things. If this company makes a CNC program, doesn't that limit the grille to a metal machined part? Metal may be a more durable material but my guess is that the purists wouldn't buy a metal grille for their cars.
I'll keep the list advised about what I learn when I contact them.
Don

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX grilles
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I saw a system that would be perfect for makin a mold for
recreating AMX (or whatever) grilles.

My artist friend Erika was in town to get a 3D scan of her for a
sculpture she's making, at a place in Burbank called Cyber F/X.
They have a 3D laser and milling machine setup; for $1500 you
get a big fat dataset on CD (for 3d CAD programs like 3DS Max)
and a machined foam physical replica, shipped to your door.

Along the walls were all sorts of famous actor heads and cartoon
characters (movie industry is their biggest customer) but they
also had a Mercedes grille -- exactly replicated in foam.

The foam is sturdy but not structural, and has a rough-ish
surface, but is a precise (fractional millimeter) copy of
the original. Only red light is bounced off the original,
no harm here.

The foam replica would need surface finish and have sprues
added, but it's got to be the best thing around for copying
complex shapes. It can definitely handle the AMX grille.

http://www.cyberfx.com




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 8:48:03 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Billet Windshield Washer Tank
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx>
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I feel your pain. I'm stuck wearing a Plastic/foam Neck/Back brace for as long as the next 2 1/2 months. As soon as I step out of the A/C the sweat builds up between the brace and my skin, the itching starts and it is real unpleasant. Add a Broken collar bone that is missaligned and needs surgery to remove a floating piece then realigned and a pin put in it. I'm just having a blast here. I've slept in a recliner for over two weeks since coming home. Last night was the first time I managed to get into bed with one end of the mattress propped up.
  Good news is the collar bone is starting to settle down pain wise and I'm getting a little more mobile so I can start investigating my options to actually do some work on the computer and such.

Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV

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 I spend 4-5 days at a time in the house
> hiding from the damn heat.
> "Doc"
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX grilles
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I would be willing to pay $500 for a foam (?) grill
that I had to finish if someone wants to invest in
that process and start puttin em out. I think the
price of real grills are way out of line and even used
ones to be sure, even though I have a running offer of
$5oo for mine by a guy in town here. A street rod shop
quoted me a price of $700 to make metal grill that can
either be chromed or painted. The last price I saw was
$2600 for a good real grill and for that price mine
will stay cracked, as it only has two bad spots......Russ

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:40:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] crippled AMCer
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Jeeze Mark, what happened to ya. I remeber when I
busted my collar bone wrestling and I couldn't even do
the littlest thing until it started to fuse together.
The last time I got busted up real bad from some idiot
pulling out in front of me on my Panhead I at least
had an ol' lady around to help me, uh, manage things.
Good luck......Russ

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:26:35 -0400
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMX grilles
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 I haven't lost focus on doing a billet one still, we've been slammed
from about day one doing all kinds of work (not a complaint) that so
much of what we want to do gets delayed. 

~John

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I would be willing to pay $500 for a foam (?) grill that I had to finish
if someone wants to invest in that process and start puttin em out. I
think the price of real grills are way out of line and even used ones to
be sure, even though I have a running offer of $5oo for mine by a guy in
town here. A street rod shop quoted me a price of $700 to make metal
grill that can either be chromed or painted. The last price I saw was
$2600 for a good real grill and for that price mine will stay cracked,
as it only has two bad spots......Russ

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:55:03 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Looking back
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While I don't have time to click through six weeks of list archives, I did click a few posts by known writers of intelligence to see if there was anything to learn plus a few by unknown writers to see what or how they presented.  I clicked on a few subjects that looked promising, so I'm ready to rumble.  Don't let the dogs out --- and Mark P., get well. 

Don't stop looking for AMC, Jerry, whether literature in Syracuse, NY, where Walter Miller's bricks-and-mortar museum's "renovation" obviously still goes on,

http://www.themuseumofautomobilehistory.com/press.html

or cars in Pikeville, NC, where Collier Motors was "loyal to the end." 

http://www.growlery.com/wigwam/2005/07/loyal-to-end.html

http://www.gremlinx.com/AMC-Pikeville.htm

Don't overlook any monuments-to-the-dead in AMC history also, even when doing so might strike some as somewhat morbid.  There is value in life -and- death.

Have any of you AMC lovers-or-experts ever seen this view from space? 

http://tinyurl.com/heytg

There lie the two Richards: a father (12/26/23-5/5/91) and a son (4/27/53-1/9/02).  Some should be interested in such lesser-known aspects of AMC history.  

Some should not be interested in seeing what is perhaps the most unaltered automotive office-and-manufacturing buildings still standing in America, but since what was perhaps the finest mass-produced automobile ever made in America was almost completely created and assembled there, it's worth a satellite look too,  

http://tinyurl.com/f6t5m

as is seeing it when America perhaps built world's best of -everything-.

http://imagesofwny.com/albums/OldeBuffalo/bflo045.sized.jpg

Is anybody "up" to posting a photo of another old car factory site now? 

http://tinyurl.com/md46w

Maybe not in a death zone. 

Too bad the "first car" (my first three -used- were Mopar; first -new- was AMC, not that any matter now) thread didn't take off; same for the "what's becoming of muscle cars" thread.  Maybe everybody was too hot.  

Maybe things never change.

"...weaker performance should not impede its German parent from achieving profit goals this year, but shaken confidence in [the] Chrysler [Group] has reawakened long-term concerns on the [future of DaimlerChrysler as a] unit."

Citigroup analysis in July 2006.

Any memory of Public Law 96-185?

Any memory of AMC-Jeep-Renault?

Any memory of good old America?

Psst: Wannna buy a Jag?  Not a car, the whole car company.  Ask Ford.

Psst: Wannna buy a Saab?  Not a fighter, the whole car line.  Ask GM.

Psst: Wannna buy an AMC?  Not a movie, the whole Jeep thing.  Ask DC.

Psst: Wanna buy a clue?  Not a chance, the dead hole is only history.  

How fast they forgot.

America's smart.  It's just the oil prices.  Yeah, that's the ticket.

Buy us some peanuts, new F-150s, Silverados, and Sierras and we will be the Cracker Jacks.  Cadillac will be The Standard Of The World so we'll be the best. 
Baseball, apple pie, and Chevrolet will be top-sellers throughout Europe and BALCO Barry, Franco Floyd, and Melismatic Mel will lead America into the light.

MTV will provide the soundtrack.  After all, with age comes maturity.

American Motors Corporation will be revived to build the all-new AMX.    

That's the future for American automotive history.  On the -Jaywalk-!
 
Quick, what did a King (Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia), an Emperor (Hirohito of Japan), a Shah (of Persia), a Maharaja (of Indore), another King (of Belgium), of the razor blade [but not of the Razr phone], King Gillette, of film comedies [not of the Comedy Kings] Charlie Chaplin, plus the kings of Standard Oil (John D. Rockefeller), of Curved Dashes (Ramsom E. Olds, who then dashed to a Speedwagon concert in his REO), of pre-eminence in flight (Orville Wright: wasn't he at the AMO in Dayton?], and pre-eminent at Princeton as President, before becoming President of the United States --- what did they -all- see so similarly?

The view from riding in America's best car.  Each owned a Pierce-Arrow.

Olds didn't buy a Packard or a Cadillac; Chaplin bought no Cunninghams.

(And Studebaker didn't kill Pierce-Arrow like it later did Packard...)

Psst: Wanna buy the best for less?  Built not in Buffalo, but Kenosha?

Keep your eyes open.

http://goodingco.com/ 

You can learn a lot.

http://tinyurl.com/m97sb

Learn the rules too.

The "Forty-Year Rule" says all those $1.25 million 1970 Chevelles will become $2.5 million masterpieces in just three seasons, but thereafter will revert to being everyday toys for blue-collar boys.  AKA drivers.

The rule is history.

Psst: Wanna buy a once-hot Ford?  Act fast, only $850k!
   
http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/showroom/1908/tourad.jpg

That's but a dream.

The Chevy was $2700.

Wait 'til you're 80.

That's but history.    



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:10:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX grille
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 Sorry, didn't see who wrote it, but someone said:

> I would be willing to pay $500 for a foam (?) grill
>that I had to finish if someone wants to invest in
>that process and start puttin em out.

-----> This foam piece would be the prototype for a
mold positive to use in a manufacturing process.  Not
having seen it, I suppose it may be possible to use it
to create a mold from fiberglass, or even to coat the
"plug" itself with a styrene skin sort of like a beer
cooler.
  This process that Tom desribes has many
applications, and is commonly used in industry for
visualizing the manufacture of complicated pieces. 
Also, it can eliminate issues which might not be
obvious from viewing the original drawing.
  Also, not to nit pick, but 3D Studio is not a CAD
program.  The difference is in the degree of accuracy.
mike



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