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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Picked up a new project (RetroRalph)
2. Re: Door hinges...... (Matt Haas)
3. Nick's Old Truck (JOE FULTON)
4. Re: Nick's Old Truck (Jock J Jocewicz)
5. Re: More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle) (Tom Jennings)
6. Re: steering gear ratios, was Re: Two Requests (Tom Jennings)
7. Re: Door hinges...... (Tom Jennings)
8. Nick's Old Truck again (JOE FULTON)
9. Re: 85 Eagle auto drivetrain FS, Detroit area
(Mark Anthony Sproviero)
10. Re: More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle) (John Elle)
11. Re: Twitchy fast ratio steering (John Elle)
12. Re: Door hinge problems. (John Elle)
13. (no subject) (William Renshaw)
14. (no subject) (William Renshaw)
15. Re: Twitchy fast ratio steering (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 17:48:29 -0700
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Picked up a new project
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With a Jimmie engine you would get a pressurized oil system which seemed
always to be better than the old Chevies (pre-1954). I suppose you could do
things as you want but save the old original stuff so can be "restored".
AMC Power would allow you to play at NAMDRA races and draw a little
attention.
Sounds fun.
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http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check the links"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>" From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " yesterday I went to a huge farm auction and in the
> " barn were a few cars and trucks.
> " Any way, the one
> " that caught my eye was a 1942 1&1/2 ton Chevy Dual
> " rear wheel truck. The truck is very solid and was one
> " that was made right at the start of the war and held
> " over until it was delivered in Aug of 43. It only has
> " 50,000 original miles on it and it runs and drives. I
> " have never ventured out into the old truck market so
> " this one is new to me. I will have to do some
> " research on it. As far as AMC content goes, I have
> " always wanted to put an AMC engine in a Chevy vehicle.
> " This one just might get that transplant if I decide
> " to go the street rod route with it. I would love to
> " see the look on a Chevy guys face when I tell him it
> " has an AMC 401 in it.
>
> a nice cool old truck like this, the most i'd do is look up the
> reproed old jimmy speed equipment [wayne 12-port? fenton headers?
> etc] and rod the original engine. but i'd do a 4bbl rather than a
> multi-carb setup.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:49:33 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Door hinges......
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At 01:24 PM 5/1/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 09:35, William Renshaw wrote:
> > Are the door hinges on all small bodied AMC cars the same? Can I swap the
> > door hinges from my Matador parts car to my Gremlin? I have "tried" to
> > rebuild a pair on time on an Eagle that I had and to say the least...not
> > only was it a pain, they didnt last very long.
>
>I don't have an answer for you... It's a surprisingly crappy design,
>especially seeing how the hinges on my 1963 Classic are original (or at
>least, more than 18 years old since that's how long I've had it) and are
>barely worn.
Part of the difference is in door weight. An early sixties door is going to
weigh a bunch less than a 70's door due to the side impact beams. Also, two
door doors weigh a good bit more than four door doors. One other thing
when messing with doors is to make sure that the hinges are properly
aligned. If you have the hinges cocked, you'll wear the pins out pretty
quickly.
Matt
mhaas@xxxxxxx
Cincinnati, OH
http://www.mattsoldcars.com
1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Nick's Old Truck
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A good resource for Chevy trucks and restoration in
general is www.stovebolt.com. If it were mine I would
try to keep it original or put a later 236 Chevy six
in it. I wouldn't butcher a truck and put an AMC
powerplant in it just to show the Chevy guys. I think
the same downsides would apply to this swap as to a
non-AMC powerplant in an AMC. It just wouldn't get
any respect.
My 0.02.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:22:27 -0500
From: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Nick's Old Truck
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Joe,
I'm sorry but I think an AMC engine in Nick's Chevy truck would get a
lot of respect! Just think of all the non-Chevies that have Chevy engines
in them. And using the word "butcher" is wrong. When a car nut modifies
his car it is not butchering it, it is doing what you want. A free
country remember. And as far as a person putting a non-AMC engine in an
AMC, that is their choice. At NAMDRA's annual AMC NATIONALS we require
AMC power to run in our races, but that is what the majority of the
members want, so we respect that. We do have a class in our car show for
non-AMC powered vehicles and some real nice AMC's have entered this class
over the years.
On Mon, 1 May 2006 17:57:35 -0700 (PDT) JOE FULTON
<piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> A good resource for Chevy trucks and restoration in
> general is www.stovebolt.com. If it were mine I would
> try to keep it original or put a later 236 Chevy six
> in it. I wouldn't butcher a truck and put an AMC
> powerplant in it just to show the Chevy guys. I think
> the same downsides would apply to this swap as to a
> non-AMC powerplant in an AMC. It just wouldn't get
> any respect.
>
> My 0.02.
>
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 18:45:31 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle)
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On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 13:35, Mr. AMC wrote:
> John does removing the wiper motor eliminate the need to hammer the
> firewall when installing an aluminum valve cover for clearance?
> "Doc"
I'll take photos of the back edge of the valve cover; I think I can hold
the camera back there. News at 11.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 18:51:27 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] steering gear ratios, was Re: Two Requests
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On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 15:14, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> a low boost high effort/feel setup with a lot of caster would help a
> lot to offset the twitchiness.
True enough. My steering box is sloppy, so it'll be replaced probably a
year from now. I'd like to pick lower boost, or even run manual. I don't
mind the steering effort; the Rambler wagon seems like 50:1, a 18" wheel
and is still a lot of effort when not moving; I don't mind. The Hornet
is smaller and lighter, and one less set of drippy hoses, grindy pumps,
clutter and complexities suits me just fine. I'll probably stick with PS
though out of sheer laziness.
> " A fast box would be great autocrossing,
> " but who on this list turns corners with the gas pedal down?
>
> <raises hand> meee! meee!
Do you autocross?
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 18:56:43 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Door hinges......
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On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 17:49, Matt Haas wrote:
> Part of the difference is in door weight. An early sixties door is going to
> weigh a bunch less than a 70's door due to the side impact beams. Also, two
> door doors weigh a good bit more than four door doors. One other thing
> when messing with doors is to make sure that the hinges are properly
> aligned. If you have the hinges cocked, you'll wear the pins out pretty
> quickly.
It is true that the doors got heavier, but 1970 (my car) the doors are
just tin (sic) shells, not one bit if safety, thank you very much.
THey're a lot lighter than the later doors.
The replacable bronze bush simply doesn't have enough surface area for
the forces it handles. And I wouldn't be surprised if the new
replacements are made out of some sort of Crap alloy instead of Actual
Metal.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 19:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Nick's Old Truck again
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I realize it's his truck and he can do as he pleases.
I have 12 AMCs right now, so I cannot be accused of
not being loyal to the brand. I also realize that
Chevy made some good iron back when Nash and Hudson
weren't serious competitors in the light and medium
truck market.
I like seeing old trucks on the road, and not as yard
ornaments. I also visit stovebolt.com weekly and look
at the new entries in their gallery and browse the
forums. A Chevy truck will be worth more and be more
respected with a GM powerplant. Why would someone
want to take a 1 and a half ton truck to the NAMDRA
races anyway?
There's a 1928 NASH in a shed in my area which could
be bought but not cheap. It has been configured for a
Chevy big block. Now there would be a nice rod to
drop a 401 into.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:23:19 -0400
From: "Mark Anthony Sproviero" <msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 85 Eagle auto drivetrain FS, Detroit area
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
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Okay, got an email for Ray at rpechman@xxxxxxxxxx
-Spro
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Subject: [AMC-List] 85 Eagle auto drivetrain FS, Detroit area
http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?p=122445#post122445
One of the guys on our 4x4 site has what he describes as TF-999 connected to an 85 Eagle transfer
case (no low range) for $100. I have no idea if this trans and t-case are supposed to go together
or are the original pair - I'm just passing it along.
He didn't post any direct contact information, so you can only contact him via PM's if you take a
few minutes to register (just creat a login and password). However, I did ask for his phone and
email - I'll post it up when I get it.
-Spro
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:40:36 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle)
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SNIP
John does removing the wiper motor eliminate the need to hammer the
firewall when installing an aluminum valve cover for clearance?
"Doc"
SNIP
Doc and all
By removing the wiper motor and that pesky wiper clip, this gives you
room to maneuver the replacement (or original) valve cover down onto the
head by tipping it to get enough room and is a whole bunch easier than
trying to move the engine around (done that one too).
I have had no clearance problem with replacement valve covers, one
aluminum, one plastic, a couple of chromed and multiple stock. But as
soon as I say that I am sure that there will be an aluminum one out
there that will bite me. Many aftermarket aluminum valve covers were
actually designed for the Jeep which does not have the clearance issues
between the engine and the fire wall. However most of those were
designed for the 1981 and newer head which does not have the mounting
hole compatibility with the 1980 and older cylinder heads.
As far as gasket sealer goes I generally use Permatex formagasket #2. I
will NOT use any of the various RTV products due to general catastrophic
failure of pretty much anything I have tried the stuff with except those
specific applications that call it out for OEM and in that case it has
worked well or any other form of goo in a tube.
Anyway that has been my experience in that area.
Hey Doc! Have you evaluated your modeling skills on repairing or
reproducing the Hornet Emblem on the hood?
John
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:50:34 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Twitchy fast ratio steering
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SNIP
a low boost high effort/feel setup with a lot of caster would help a lot
to offset the twitchiness.
SNIP
How twitchy does it have to be in order to become a problem? I have a
fairly quick modified Spirit with power steering and don't notice a
problem. It is hard to get a wheel base shorter than a Spirit in an AMC
car. I also have an '80 AMX with quick ratio factory power steering.
Nothing twitchy about that either. I don't know but it seems to me this
is a non-issue.
John
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:01:38 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Door hinge problems.
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I never had a hinge pin go bad, but I never had an AMC car that did not
need at least the drivers' door brass looking bearings replaced due to
advanced terminal wear. As far as the weight of the car door goes half
the weight of a Pacer is in both front doors. I also have yet to see an
AMC car that the front end is not completely toasted. I just spent 3
hours today pressing in bushings on a 68 AMX upper and lower control
arm. Half that time was rebuilding one lower control arm. It never
ceases to amaze what a truly lousy design that piece is. Yet it was
produced with no changes for many many years.
On the other hand the 1991 Dodge Grand Caravan that I bought last
November and sold last month with 300,000 miles on it and enough
advanced neglect and abuse to make it look worse than all but one of my
AMC projects when purchased had a solid front end requiring no more
repairs than replacing the lower ball joints and all doors opened and
closed like they were new except the slider. It would slide right off
onto the ground if you pushed it open with too much vigor.
John.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:09:03 -0700
From: "William Renshaw" <lionwren@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] (no subject)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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Not a problem! I dont mind at all. Glad I could help and hope someone can
use it.
Bill Renshaw Lewiston Idaho
AKA Brother B.
AMC'S RULE.....the rest just drool like the dogs they are.
1973 Gremlin X "clone" (project)
1970 Original Hornet "plain jane"
1974 Matador Coupe "Parts car"
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:21:02 -0700
From: "William Renshaw" <lionwren@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] (no subject)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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One thing I forgot to mention is that these after market valve covers do
have a little bit thicker gasket. I noticed right off the bat when I went to
do the one on the Eagle wagon. I dont know why that is. I purchased a valve
cover gasket from the local NAPA parts strore and it was pretty much a hunk
of junk compaired to the ones that come with the valve cover. It will work
fine if you want to replace junk with junk. When I have to pull the one in
my Gremlin, I will have to order one (gasket) directly from Clifford
Performance and I am not sure how the contact cement will come off, with out
taking off the paint. I have learned from the school of hard nocks and
experience how to do these damn things. That plastic valve cover on that
Eagle was the biggest joke that I have ever seen. They warp and why would
someone want to spend the money for somthing that will do the same thing
when you can spend just a little more for somthing that will be a far better
product??
Bill Renshaw Lewiston Idaho
AKA Brother B.
AMC'S RULE.....the rest just drool like the dogs they are.
1973 Gremlin X "clone" (project)
1970 Original Hornet "plain jane"
1974 Matador Coupe "Parts car"
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:50:37 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Twitchy fast ratio steering
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On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 20:50, John Elle wrote:
> How twitchy does it have to be in order to become a problem? I have a
> fairly quick modified Spirit with power steering and don't notice a
> problem. It is hard to get a wheel base shorter than a Spirit in an AMC
> car. I also have an '80 AMX with quick ratio factory power steering.
> Nothing twitchy about that either. I don't know but it seems to me this
> is a non-issue.
Hey John!
Well it's clearly 100% subjective. I do a lot of LA freeway driving, 100
miles/day 3 days a week, maybe that's tweaked my brain :-)
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