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Bah- you're being myopic. 'If China won't let Google do its thing US-style in
China, then we don't want their money. We'll just keep sending them ours.'
 
Yea...THAT'LL teach 'em! (Remove gun from holster, aim carefully at own
foot....pull trigger).
 
As for your 'hasn't happened and won't'...you can only guarantee that by
never trying. Google is choosing to try, and my crystal ball is at the cleaners,
so I'm willing to watch and wait.
 
Now, your second link tells the truth. The Chinese government blocks sites
themselves, and Google simply removed such sites from it's search listings,
because if they included them, the link would lead nowhere anyway, as the
government blocks it.
 
How many deadlinks do you enjoy not visiting on a daily basis? I wish
they'd do the same here! If I can't visit it, why list it??
 
Much 'to do' about ZIP.
 
 
 
And what is the end result here? A simple choice-
 
Either-
 
a- Chinese people get to use Google to search most of the web.
 
or
 
b- They get to see none of it.
 
 
 
I vote A.

John W Rosa
www.JavelinAMX.com 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eddie Stakes
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:31 PM
To: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [BaadAssGremlins] Re: Google (was- REAL BAD DAY...)

Hi John see below.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:00 AM
Subject: RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Re: Google (was- REAL BAD DAY...)

 
Eddie,
 
Your cake reference doesn't make sense.
Google wants to play by two sets of rules, one for US, one for China. They are only guessing that in a few years, that
democracy, or that foot in the door, will happen, which it won't. And hasn't.
 
Why aren't we complaining that McDonalds doesn't call the 'Quarter Pounder' by that name in France?
Possibly same reason the Mercury Caliente was name changed in Mexico and Chevy Nova in China.
We ain't takling a name change on a burger, we are takling about google bending to the ruls of the communist Chinese
government. Same with Yahoo and a few others who 'want to do business' there.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander if they wish to play ball.
 
To do business in other countries, you have to work within the political and regional conditions that
exist, not the ones ytou wish were there...unless you are prepared to launch an invasion to 'fix' those
places to fit your perception of what 'better' is (and we all see how swimmingly such efforts are going
in Iraq).
There are rules in place for US companies John for US based companies to adhere to, regardless of where
these US based companies wish to do business.
 
We don't have to imagine the US restricting things, as this isn't about 'China bad, so don't play with
them'. It's about slipping a little internet in now and watching how the average users respond over there.
Planting seeds.
Planting seeds is fine, however, google simply bent to the will of the communist government, period.
 
 
In the US, Google does business by US standards. In China, they do it by Chinese standards.
That is the whole problem, it is censorship.
 
Once
they get a foothold, the little subversive changes that slip in little by little can effect change. It happens
slow, but it happens. The alternative is to sit back, do nothing and whine about it...and keep sending
our money to them via Wal-Mart (the true 'have my cake and eat it too' situation).
 
That above is only assuming google won't be watched like a hawk and if they don't concede to Chinese
demands they will get kicked out of China. Imagine a Chinese company getting kicked out of US.
Read above links.
Eddie stakes

John 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eddie Stakes

On google however, they want cake and eat it too. Imagine the US restricting same Chinese companies on same.
 
AMC content, imagine searching for Gremlin and it was banned by your government. :`P
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Re: Google (was- REAL BAD DAY...)

 
Eddie,
 
'When in Rome'... :)
 
Actually, here's the thing: Google is fighting to keep what you and I search
for private, whether what we seek is legal or not. And our system is setup
so that Google can fight and perhaps win the case. Free speech, right to
privacy and so on.
 
In China, well, we all know the deal. So Google is faced with a choice:
Hold firm to US ideals and be completely shut-out of China....or get their
foot in the door by appeasing the leaders, then slowly help turn the country
around. Heck, the hackers will be on it like flies in no time. It won't take long
before China's leaders are powerless to stem the tide of change. But if we
can't get that first inch, we can't ever get the yard.
 
Meanwhile, we're all off to Wal-Mart to send our hard-earned US cash to that
very same country. 'Oh, it's just too inconvenient to be righteous!' Maybe we
should ponder ourselves before judging Google too harshly. >:(
 
Just another angle to consider.

John W Rosa
www.JavelinAMX.com 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eddie Stakes
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:57 AM
To: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] Re: REAL BAD DAY.....

 
Something to also ponder. Google is fighting the US government tooth and nail to not disclose their searches. However, they bent over backword for the Chinese government to exclude (yes, censor) many democratic terms like 'democracy' for instance. Think about that!
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