First, I'd like to know if any of those people up in the NE have heat pumps, I'd think that at 45 below , there ain't any heat in the air to pull out! 'Course, that's just wind chill, even so, minus temps would render any HP's ineffective. Any of you BAG members live up in the NE, and know what the heating systems are like generally? Just curious... On a more interesting note, there is apparently a bill in the Virginia legislature to vote on "allowing" people to keep their unregistered cars on their property without being hassled, but have a common-sense method to hide them, like shrubs, fencing, etc, and NOT have to put them all inside garages ( how BIG a garage can a guy with a $40k salary and 10 projects in his driveway afford to build, and the local code allow?? ) I DO intend to find my representative, and call him/email him to let him know that we are sick and tired of having our constitutional rights s(*)it on ( insert P or H at asterik, as appropriate ). Hopefully it will pass, and we can breathe a little easier knowing that "big brother" won't be hassling us near as much. I know I will! Jerry CAsper Virginia resident, 8-Gremlin owner __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus