Re: [AMC-list] Fwd: 1958 Rambler American restoration

[tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>]

More on this later -- I just got back -- I think we need to put on hold
proclamations about volcano/no volcano until it's checked. Bell depth would
cure it if it's too long, there's only one t-96 input shaft length. All my
cranks are "volcano", and I FORGOT! to check the one in my 63 hardtop.

More later.



On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 15:59, John C. Metts <jcmetts@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Frank:
>
> Thanks again.  I just ordered the engine rebuild kit (from Falcon whose
> supplier is Kanter) and the salesman gave me a lead on a crankshaft
> company.
> It is called Standard Crankshaft.  I went to their web site and luckily
> they
> show that they have this crank.  I will call them tomorrow and if this
> doesn't work out, I will proceed with the information you provided.
>
> I really appreciate your help.  As you surely know, there are not a lot of
> AMC owners, that I am aware of, in New Mexico.
>
> John C. Metts
> 2407 Sierra Vista
> Artesia, NM  88210
> Telephone  505.736.1962
> Cell           505.308.3188
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Swygert [mailto:farna@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:28 PM
> To: John C. Metts; AMC List
> Cc: Tom Jennings
> Subject: Re: Fwd: 1958 Rambler American restoration
>
> Well, that's the first manual trans car I know of with the cone on the
> crank, but most of my cars have been 61+. It's possible that the earlier
> cars used the cone even with the manual trans. I'm not sure if your
> transmission input shaft would work with a later model flat crankshaft.
> Someone on the list should have a T-96 they can measure for the shaft
> length from the front of the trans to the tip (I think Tom does). Sounds
> like the trans is out of yours. Could you measure the input shaft of the
> trans? It could be that simply changing the pilot bushing will allow
> swapping the transmissions. The cone on some is pressed in and will come
> off, or at least there was a press in cone made to fit into the later
> crank so that an older trans could be used. Finding one would be next to
> impossible now, few even knew they existed. Unless of course the cone on
> yours comes off. If you can, take a photo of the input shaft also (on
> the trans if fine!) and send that. It might be helpful along with the
> measurement. A photo with a tape measure (or other ruler) alongside the
> input shaft would be ideal!
>
> I'm not familiar with Falcon, but Kanter is a good company to deal with.
> They should be able to supply a Master Rebuild Kit with pistons. They
> get pistons from Egge also.
>
> John C. Metts wrote:
> > Dear Frank:
> >
> > I really appreciate your help and information.
> >
> > My situation is a little confusing from the information you provided.  My
> > car is a manual transmission but the crankshaft has the cone you are
> > speaking about.  Could I possibly have an engine that was not the
> original
> > 1958.  I didn't think this was the case.  This car was my wife's high
> school
> > car and her Dad bought it used in 1959 or 1960.  Therefore, a early 60's
> > engine doesn't seem realistic.  Is there some was I can tell the year of
> the
> > engine?
> >
> > Anyway, any further help or information would be greatly appreciated.  I
> > have decided to purchase the complete engine rebuilt kit from either
> Kanter
> > or Falcon.  Any thoughts there?  The engine has already been bored out to
> > .0040 and we have found pistons from Egge.
> >
> > My father in law had done some previous engine work on this car.
> > Unfortunately, he has passed away.  I should have asked about it years
> ago.
> >
> > John C. Metts
> > 2407 Sierra Vista
> > Artesia, NM  88210
> > Telephone  505.736.1962
> > Cell           505.308.3188
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Swygert [mailto:farna@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:39 PM
> > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx; jcmetts@xxxxxxxx
> > Cc: Tom Jennings
> > Subject: re: Fwd: 1958 Rambler American restoration
> >
> > John, I sent this to the AMC-List and to your personal e-mail.
> >
> > As long as you have a manual transmission you can use the crankshaft from
> > any 55-63 195.6 flat-head (L-head) or OHV (overhead valve) engine. The
> > cranks and rods are the same in the L-head and OHV.
> >
> > If, however, you have an automatic transmission, it gets a little
> trickier.
> > 55-62 automatic transmission cars have a "cone" on the end of the
> crankshaft
> > and you must use one of those. 63-65 195.6 engines with automatic trans
> use
> > the same crank as a manual transmission car, so if you have a manual
> trans
> > you can use one of those also. Manual trans engines (and the 63-65 auto)
> > have a flat flange on the end, no "cone" in the middle. If you need a pic
> of
> > the "cone" crank, Tom Jennings has one on his website... somewhere.
> Couldn't
> > find it, but I'm sure he'll post a link once he sees this.
> >
> > You can use any year engine in your car. If you happen to find a 64-66
> > American 195.6 it won't have the plate on the front that holds the engine
> > mounts in yours, those models have side engine mounts. It's simple to
> remove
> > the side mounts and install the plate on the front of yours (it mounts
> under
> > the timing cover) on the later engine. If you have a 64-65 American you
> > wouldn't be able to use an older engine (except for a 63 Classic engine)
> as
> > the block doesn't have the mount bosses on the right side (front and rear
> of
> > oil pump).
> >
> > This info should help you find a crank or parts engine quicker.
> >
> > ----------------
> >
> >
> >>> From: "John C. Metts" <jcmetts@xxxxxxxx>
> >>> Date: April 29, 2009 4:53:54 PM CDT
> >>>
> >>> I would appreciate any help you or other club members could give me
> >>> in locating a crankshaft for a 1958 Ramber American 196 flat head
> >>> engines.
> >>> I've been playing Dick Tracy for weeks and come up short at most of
> >>> the logical web sites.  I think my best bet would just be to find
> >>> someone who has some cars and parts.
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
> (free download available!)
>
>
>


-- 
All of your arguments are invalid.
Enjoy your unstable system.
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