Check and tighten the center bolt/screw in the main engine harness plug at the firewall, I have heard that if that loosens up, it can momentarily disconnect a power supply and cause the car to die, esp over a bump or rough road, then re make the connection and all is well. I believe that the screw is in the center of the square harness plug. It solved a similar die out problem on some amc's in years past. Easy thing to fix even if it is not the solution. Regards. Ken/Boston. -----Original Message----- From: amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 1:14 am Subject: AMC-list Digest, Vol 1, Issue 33 Send AMC-list mailing list submissions to amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx o subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com r, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx ou can reach the person managing the list at amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx hen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific han "Re: Contents of AMC-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: powdercoating, and an intake for sale (Davis Martin) 2. Re: powdercoating, and an intake for sale (Davis Martin) 3. Re: powdercoating, and an intake for sale (Wrambler) 4. Re: eagle dies at stops signs/lights (Jim Blair) Attached Message From: Davis Martin <martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject : Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:08:51 -0700 (PDT) am not sure the valve cover would fit in my oven. It depends on how long it akes to bead blast them. 50 bucks each? Davis -- On Mon, 4/27/09, Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx> ubject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale o: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ate: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:12 PM yeah it looks good to me. ow much to do a 99 up 4.0L intake and a 4.0L aluminum valve cover :) Mark Price organtown, WV 26508 969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II I realize that death is inevitable. just don't want to be around when it happens!" ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Davis Martin" <martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> o: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:09:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern ubject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale Well it can be expensive. You need proper equipment to clean the parts, Bead last cabinet, Chemicals to clean it after that, Oven dedicated to owdercoating, the gun and supplies, heat tape to mask stuff that you don't ant coated, special plugs for the threads. Yes it is stuck on with an electrical charge. So I take it you guys think it came out ok? Davis <br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 4/27/09, Victor the Cleaner i><jonathan@xxxxxxxxxx></i></b> rote :<br><blockquote style='border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 55); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;'>From: Victor the Cleaner lt;jonathan@xxxxxxxxxx><br>Subject: Re: [AMC-list] owdercoating, and an intake for sale<br>To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, eep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx><br>Date: onday, April 27, 2009, 12:03 PM<br><br><pre>On Mon, Apr 27, 009 at 03:48:21PM +0000, Wrambler wrote: > Details! gt; Specifically what/who made the powder coating equipment you used? Yes, do tell. My understanding of this stuff is that the powder is prayed out of a charged nozzle so that the particles stick to the ork prior to the baking. That suggests the application equipment s on the expensive/elaborate side. Jonathan _______________________________________________ MC-list mailing list MC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx ttp://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com /pre></blockquote> ______________________________________________ MC-list mailing list MC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx ttp://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com ______________________________________________ MC-list mailing list MC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx ttp://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com ------------- next part -------------- n HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Davis -- On Mon, 4/27/09, Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx> ubject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale o: amundaza@xxxxxxxxx, "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ate: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:19 PM Thanks! t's one of those ideas I have had on the back burner for quite some while ow. have wanted a polished new styl 4.0 in take on my American for a long time, ove the look of that intake and figure the polished would add that last bit of weetness. That's the main reason I have not installed the one I have yet! t is sanded, smoothed, just needs the final polishing work. I got to thinking a hile ago a "chrome" power coat would be close enough and not need the pkeep or polishing etc, There are quite few more pieces I would like to do to, o buying the setup is probably a break even at least. Greg, Davis, How bad was the preliminary stuff you did? Useable or ubar'd? reg, how good does the portable IR heater do in curing the PC? I have a non ontact temp gun to check temps. If I could get the stuff done locally at a reasonable cost I would do that, ut I can't. Our hose range is ideal, has a digital oven temp setup that is accurate, it s self cleaning so if can bake its own grease out before use on parts, the top urners adn controls are pretty much shot! I allready have the nice floor model bolt together blast cab, picked it up or $140 at a swap meet a few years back. As with anything else it will need to wait, 6 more days till surgery, then 6 eeks of restrictions... If, I come out of this able to work again it iwll be worth it, if not, I will robably go insane. 'll bet many of you are thinking " too late ".... I sometimes wonder myself, it will be 3 years on July 15. I have trouble emembering what it was like to be able to do what I wanted to do without pain. Mark Price organtown, WV 26508 969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II I realize that death is inevitable. just don't want to be around when it happens!" ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Greg Taylor" <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx> o: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:46:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern ubject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale I used the www.eastwoodco.com HOTCOAT kit years back on tons of different arts. Blasted them in the yard with the pressurized 100-gallon sand blasting ank (vertical tube on wheels). Even did my CJ5 frame, using an infrared PROPANE eater (Eastwood sells an expensive electric infrared heater). he Eastwood HOTCOAT kit is well worth the price ... just20get the cheaper gun, ot their professional gun, unless you want to go into business. lso, check the Harbor Freight sales for their blasting cabinet. Usually on ale for $199-$220, instead of the usual $299 price. I picked on up locally nd will be putting it together. Also picked up NIB HOTCOAT basic kit from bay (private seller) with some powder for $60. ou can do this on the cheap, if need be. Just have to get the parts cleaned p good before applying the powder. ECH TIP #1: Once in a while, you will need to TAP the end of the HOTCOAT gun ip to knock off the build-up of powder there. If you don't, eventually, he gun will flick it into your part and you'll get powder globs, once it akes. ECH TIP #2: PRE-BAKE bare metal parts that have been in contact with OIL, tc. This will bake the oil out of the pores, so that it doesn't bubble he powdercoating when that get's baked on. Clean up the bare, pre-baked arts, once cooled, with BRAKE cleaner. ast of all, Davis, the intake looks professionally done. Good job! Sincerely, reg Taylor :) <>< ochester Hills, MI 989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "TRMN8R2" 30-CID AMC Stroker V8 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is n His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God oes not have the life. - 1 John 5:11-12 --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Victor the Cleaner <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Victor the Cleaner <jonathan@ canuck.com> ubject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale o: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ate: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:03 PM On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:48:21PM +0000, Wrambler wrote: > Details! Specifically what/who made the powder coating equipment you used? Yes, do tell. My understanding of this stuff is that the powder is prayed out of a charged nozzle so that the particles stick to the ork prior to the baking. That suggests the application equipment s on the expensive/elaborate side. 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RL: <http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20090427/62630c25/attachment.htm> Attached Message From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:38:48 +0000 (UTC ) cool! I'll start shopping while I'm healing up! Mark Price organtown, WV 26508 969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II I realize that death is inevitable. just don't want to be around when it happens!" ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Davis Martin" <martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> o: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:23:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern ubject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale Mark, If you have an oven and a blast cabinet you are 1/2 way there. I would recomend he summit powdercoat system of check ebay for the craftsman kit. They (unlike he eastwood and harbour freight kits) have their own air supply. Much easier o use. Davis --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx> ubject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale o: amundaza@xxxxxxxxx, "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ate: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:19 PM Thanks! t's one of those ideas I have had on the back burner for quite some while ow. have wanted a polished new styl 4.0 in take on my American for a long time, ove the look of that intake and figure the polished would add that last bit of weetness. That's the main reason I have not installed the one I have yet! t is sanded, smoothed, just needs the final polishing work. I got to thinking a hile ago a "chrome" power coat would be close enough=2 0and not need the pkeep or polishing etc, There are quite few more pieces I would like to do to, o buying the setup is probably a break even at least. Greg, Davis, How bad was the preliminary stuff you did? Useable or ubar'd? reg, how good does the portable IR heater do in curing the PC? I have a non ontact temp gun to check temps. If I could get the stuff done locally at a reasonable cost I would do that, ut I can't. Our hose range is ideal, has a digital oven temp setup that is accurate, it s self cleaning so if can bake its own grease out before use on parts, the top urners adn controls are pretty much shot! I allready have the nice floor model bolt together blast cab, picked it up or $140 at a swap meet a few years back. As with anything else it will need to wait, 6 more days till surgery, then 6 eeks of restrictions... If, I come out of this able to work again it iwll be worth it, if not, I will robably go insane. I'll bet many of you are thinking " too late ".... I sometimes wonder myself, it will be 3 years on July 15. I have trouble emembering what it was like to be able to do what I wanted to do without pain. Mark Price organtown, WV 26508 969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5 004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II I realize that death is inevitable. just don't want to be around when it happens!" ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Greg Taylor" <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx> o: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:46:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern ubject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale I used the www.eastwoodco.com HOTCOAT kit years back on tons of different arts. Blasted them in the yard with the pressurized 100-gallon sand blasting ank (vertical tube on wheels). Even did my CJ5 frame, using an infrared PROPANE eater (Eastwood sells an expensive electric infrared heater). he Eastwood HOTCOAT kit is well worth the price ... just get the cheaper gun, ot their professional gun, unless you want to go into business. lso, check the Harbor Freight sales for their blasting cabinet. Usually on ale for $199-$220, instead of the usual $299 price. I picked on up locally nd will be putting it together. Also picked up NIB HOTCOAT basic kit from bay (private seller) with some powder for $60. ou can do this on the cheap, if need be. Just have to get the parts cleaned p good before applying the powder. ECH TIP #1: Once in a while, you will need to TAP the end of the HOTCOAT gun ip to knock off the build-up of powder there. If you don't, eventually, he gun will flick it into your part and you'll get powder globs, once it akes. ECH TIP #2: PRE-BAKE bare metal parts that have been in contact with OIL, tc. This will bake the oil out of the pores, so that it doesn't bubble he powdercoating when that get's baked on. Clean up the bare, pre-baked arts, once cooled, with BRAKE cleaner. ast of all, Davis, the intake looks professionally done. Good job! Sincerely, reg Taylor :) <>< ochester Hills, MI 989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "TRMN8R2" 30-CID AMC Stroker V8 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is n His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God oes not have the life. - 1 John 5:11-12 --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Victor the Cleaner <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Victor the Cleaner <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxx> ubject: Re: [AMC-list] powdercoating, and an intake for sale o: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ate: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:03 PM On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:48:21PM +0000, Wrambler wrote: > Details! Specifically what/who made the powder coating equipment you used? Yes, do tell. My understanding of this stuff is that the powder is prayed out of a charged nozzle so that the particles stick to the ork prior to the baking. That suggests the application equipment s on the expensive/elaborate side. Jonathan _______________________________________________ MC-list mailing list MC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx ttp://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com ------------- next part -------------- n HTML attachment was scrubbed... RL: http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20090427/298e8f8e/attachment.htm> ______________________________________________ MC-list mailing list MC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx ttp://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com ______________________________________________ MC-list mailing list MC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx ttp://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com ------------- next part -------------- n HTML attachment was scrubbed... RL: <http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20090427/62630c25/attachment.htm> ______________________________________________ MC-list mailing list MC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx ttp://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com Attached Message From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-list] eagle dies at stops signs/lights Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:14:18 -0700 o you have a big chunk of keys on your chain? The weight of them swinging can artially turn the ignition switch. Did I mention the dreaded cam walk? (fairly asily fixed on the 4.2L by changing the timing cover to one from a 4.0L along ith the bolt in the cam, which is really a cam button.) The unit that screws into the intake is thermal control for something in the BD computer. The O2 sensor is screwed into the exhaust manifold below the EGR alve. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 From: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx; amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx CC: baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: eagle dies at stops signs/lights Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:24:51 -0500 Hi Jimn and thanks tot all who have replied so far, a lot of excellent advise. Here is what I have replaced: New carb $250 New ignition mo dule $70 spark plugs rotor cap It runs great but still conks out for no reason sometimes, most recently today. I was driving along I-10 feeder road and it felt like it sort of lost power, then regained compusure. On top of the manifold directly behind the power steering unit something that screws into the intake from top and a wire goes into it. The unit is broken, not sure what it might be, maybe O2 sensor? In back of the breather there is two provisions for something that on my other 88 Eagle; has two emission tubes. These are not hooked up to anything and looking under car there is nothing to hook them up to if they were there, in other words, they were bypassed at some point. The car seems to have lots of pep with 78K miles. It is just that this sputtering sometimes or outright dying is annoying. Someone else mentioned it is something in the steering column, somehting I have not heard before. So slowly will figure this out, and again, thanks to all who have replied on the various lists, keep ideas coming, Eddie Stakes 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Blair" To: ; "Eddie Stakes" Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: RE: [AMC-list] eagle dies at stops signs/lights I've had that stalling problem with my Spirit (and Eagles and Jeeps) several times too. First it was the carb being loo se (grab ahold of the body of the carb with the aircleaner off and see if you can twist it. If the answer is yes, pop it off and re-tighten the main body screws up from the bottom and the other 2 from the top. Replace base gasket and don't bang carb upside down! That will mess with the float level). The weight of the air cleaner, which is held down only by the air cleaner stud, rocks back and forth and loosens the screws. Then the stepper motor was sticking (cleaned it out with throttle body cleaner. NOTE: Do NOT use WD40 or anything else with silicon lube in it! That will kill the O2 sensor that makes the BBD function properly and will cost you fuel economy. If you don't have the stepper, then it doesn't matter) Then the rust in the gas tank clogged up the carb, filters, etc. I took the top off the carb, reset the float and sprayed everything clean along with a new filter. (I had to do it twice more before I added another inline filter and sediment bowl before the fuel pump) The car got hard to start when cold and it puzzled me as the choke was perfect. Found out the rust had eaten (or jammed) the valves in the fuel pump and allowed the fuel to go back to the tank after shut off. New fuel pump and fresh pre-filter again. (I recently cured that rust problem with a good used replacement fuel tank, but now it needs a sending unit as I was lubing my old one and accidentally dro pped it. Now it only reads full to 3/4 tank) I've had a few other things happen before too. Ignition module going south was one. With the motor warmed up, smack the Motorcraft module with a rubber mallet. If the car shuts off, replace the module. Another was a torque converter going bad. Put the car in forward gear and even the slightest gas would make it stall. Worked fine in reverse. The fix was to drop the valve body and plug off the line to the lockup converter (S shaped tube on top of '77ish and newer Mopar style trans) with a large BB. That defeats the lockup, doesn't cost much (except time, a trans service kit, a BB and the seal for the shifter linkage shaft. The linkage has to be removed and re-adjusted to work properly when done. I highly suggest pressure washing to degrease the driver's side of the trans before working on it) As for the Nutter Bypass, a google search will show it on may sites including my own old one at Geocities. (photos got messed up with mine) Loud internal noises can cause the knock sensor (which is really just a microphone tuned to certain sound wavelength) to radically retard timing and can cause stalling too. From: "Eddie Stakes" Subject: [AMC-list] eagle dies at stops signs/lights To: , , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Somewhere on the Eagle nest forum, there is/was a thread about AMC Eagle=0 D dying for no reason at stop signs and stop lights. Always cranked right back up no problem, but more of a annoyance than anything. For some reason I thought it had something to do with carb, but unsure. Anyone remember the link or thread about that feel free to post it here so I can go check it out, to troubleshoot a Eagle. Thanks in advance to all who might reply. Eddie Stakes 713.464.8825 eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.planethoustonamx.com _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates2_042009 _________________________________________________________________ indows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. ttp://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 _______________________________________________ MC-list mailing list MC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx ttp://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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