Re: [Amc-list] 195.6 OHV Oil Supply (was "return") Line - just use a pre-cut brake line?

[Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>]

I had a guy call me with the cam problem several years ago. He had ordered a cam from Kanter for a 64 or 65 196, but it had no groove in the first cam bearing journal. I told him how to fix it, then wrote Kanter and warned them about the issue, and told them about the fix if they couldn't get cams with the groove. They sent me a thank-you letter, and I think their on-line catalog has a note about the engine year now. 

EVERYONE who finds a problem like this, if they have a work around or not, should ALWAYS think about the rest of us (more specifically future Rambler owners) and let the supplier know!! I know you really want to curse them out for selling you the wrong thing in the first place, but chances are the guy on the end of the phone wasn't even born when your Rambler was made (heck, nearly any AMC!), or he's just not a real "gear head", just a parts seller who's managed to pick up a few things. So try being polite... maybe a little forceful, but not down-right rude, and just maybe they'll not send the next guy the wrong thing, even if they tell you you tried to install it and you're stuck with it, or you just burned your only good 196 rocker shaft up and they can't help you get another... 

I've built 3-4 196s and NEVER did this. I did pack the oil pump with vaseline to prime it though. Pouring oil into the pump from the top like that would alleviate the need to pack the pump with vaseline, since it's full of oil instead. 

When quoting something from a TSM how about giving the year at least, a page number would be helpful. Apparently something happened at a dealership or something, as that note isn't in any other TSM, just the 65. I checked the 63s first, then the 62, and just before I typed "where did you see this?" decided to pull the 65... and just checked the 64 for good measure!! The oil pump needs to be primed is all, pouring oil in it from the top is as good as anything else, but I'll stick with the vaseline... it always works just fine! Pouring oil in only works easily on the 64-65 full flow system. Would be hard to get it in the block mounted pressure relief valve! Since the pump is lower, if you could get oil in the main galley it would go in the pump, but might go in the pan as well. 


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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:13:36 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>

OK, the lines don't scare me, that's easy. But cam bearing changes?! Oh 
fun. I wonder how many parts places get THAT right! Time to call Kanters...!


> > "CAUTION: When installing a new oil pump, or pump has been 
> > disassembled, the pump must be primed by removing relief valve 
> > plunger and filling pump with oil.  This must be done before starting engine."
>   

I haven't yet got this far (195.6 building) but I was wondering about 
that... since you can't spin it up with a pointy stick.

Probably worth doing the above, squirt a bit down the plug holes, and 
cranking the engine with the ignition turned off until you see oil 
pressure, then allowing it to fire.

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