Re: [Amc-list] Looking for a torque tube T-96 trans w/OD

[Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>]

The four bolt flange was new for 62, one of the 63 design changes they sneaked in a year early (like the entire front suspension). 

The 67 trans should have a "tall" bolt pattern to the bell, the 62 the "short" pattern. In other words it won't bolt right up. The top two bolts are in exactly the same position, but the bottom two moved a couple inches lower with the three point mounting to make the trans/engine unit more rigid. You'd have to change the guts in the cases. The output shaft housing will bolt up, and the shaft should be the same size and spline count (I think...), but I'm not sure if the shaft length is the same. 

It wouldn't be hard to put the 199 in the earlier car. The rear mounts are easy -- drill the bell and bolt the 196 mounts to it. The bolts have to go in from the inside and you have to make sure the torque converter or flywheel doesn't hit them. May have to use carriage bolts. I've done it, but was a long time ago. I think we used carriage bolts, but not sure we had too -- just did. 

The front mounts would take some fab work. It would be possible to do some minor drilling (maybe a little cutting/grinding) and fit the mount plate from a 196 to the 199/232/4.0L. The timing chain and gears are the same, I think. The problem there is the 199 is around 3" longer than a 196. I think using the 196 plate is the way to go, then weld on new mounts for the front engine cross member. All it does is support the engine, and the mounts could even be bolted on -- a couple short lengths of 2"x2"x1/8" angle would do it. You might need the short water pump, but I'm pretty sure there's room for the standard 66-69 American and later small car water pump and pulley. 

Yes, do use the shift arms for the shifter you will be using! 

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:06:27 -0400
From: "oldcars@xxxxxxxxx" <oldcars@xxxxxxxxx>

I have spent a fair amount of time beneath the car lately, so I can confirm
that mine is a 4-bolt mount to the torque tube and has the 4-point mounts. 

The current plan is to take the T-96H from the 67 American, which I had got
from a fellow lister in nearby Maryland, and bolt that gearbox to the
tailshaft and housing from the 62. I hope that there is no roadblock to
doing that.

I admit that it IS tempting to think of the 199 in the 62 classic, since I
know the 7-main-bearing engines a lot better, and since the 196 would be an
easy swap into the 64 American Wagon which I have  had sitting around for
some while. However I would have to figure out how to make the 199 work
with the accelerator linkage of the 62 which has a unique rotating linkage
which plugs into the throttle plate linkage. Anyway, I guess the 196 should
be left where it started since the car is a 57K mile original.

I did notice that the shifter arms are completly different shapes and
lengths between the 62 and the 67, so I will swap them over. 

Yes, I will take the parking brake adjuster and the flex hose loose as well
- the parking brake may be an adventure since it has probably not been
adjusted in 46 years. 

-- 
Frank Swygert
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