Re: [Amc-list] Looking for a torque tube T-96 trans w/OD

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Frank (and listers)

   I am amazed that they modified the case of the T-96. I was hoping to
avoid having to move the guts over to the 62 case since I have no idea of
how badly grenaded it got. 
I am fairly sure that someone did not know that 1st was non-synchro and
tried to powershift it down into 1st -- it seems jammed into 2 gears at
once, but there is no way to move the shifter arms even with large hammer
blows. 

   I do know that the 199 should bolt right up where the 196 is, in terms
of bolting up to the bell and for that matter the flywheel, although I
suspect that the 67 flywheel should be pretty darn similar. Of course, this
is useful only if the gearbox from the 67 will bolt up to the 62 clutch
housing. 

    Interestingly enough, I did notice that the crossmember which runs
beneath the middle of the engine should just about line up with the
middle-of-the-block mounts on the 199, and in fact there are bosses stamped
into the crossmember as though they were planning on mounting an engine
using that crossmember instead of the front crossmember. 

    I will have to have a REALLY good look at the clutch housing from the
67 to see whether there are any kind of extra bolt holes on the sides where
the 62-style mounts go.

    With the 196 in place, there is about 3 to 4 inches of clearance
between the fan blades and the radiator. It would be a tight fit with the
stock radiator, but I think something could be done to mount it further
forward. Never saw a "Long" brand radiator before, always saw another brand
which these days is a closed investment trust. 

    With the Torque Tube, how does the rear suspension move? Does it depend
on any degree of movement in the engine/trans? Sorry but I have only ever
had one other TT car and that was 25 years ago, and I didn't really work on
it much. 

Jim

Original Message:
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From: Frank Swygert farna@xxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:24:27 -0400
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Looking for a torque tube T-96 trans w/OD


The four bolt flange was new for 62, one of the 63 design changes they
sneaked in a year early (like the entire front suspension). 

The 67 trans should have a "tall" bolt pattern to the bell, the 62 the
"short" pattern. In other words it won't bolt right up. The top two bolts
are in exactly the same position, but the bottom two moved a couple inches
lower with the three point mounting to make the trans/engine unit more
rigid. You'd have to change the guts in the cases. The output shaft housing
will bolt up, and the shaft should be the same size and spline count (I
think...), but I'm not sure if the shaft length is the same. 

It wouldn't be hard to put the 199 in the earlier car. The rear mounts are
easy -- drill the bell and bolt the 196 mounts to it. The bolts have to go
in from the inside and you have to make sure the torque converter or
flywheel doesn't hit them. May have to use carriage bolts. I've done it,
but was a long time ago. I think we used carriage bolts, but not sure we
had too -- just did. 

The front mounts would take some fab work. It would be possible to do some
minor drilling (maybe a little cutting/grinding) and fit the mount plate
from a 196 to the 199/232/4.0L. The timing chain and gears are the same, I
think. The problem there is the 199 is around 3" longer than a 196. I think
using the 196 plate is the way to go, then weld on new mounts for the front
engine cross member. All it does is support the engine, and the mounts
could even be bolted on -- a couple short lengths of 2"x2"x1/8" angle would
do it. You might need the short water pump, but I'm pretty sure there's
room for the standard 66-69 American and later small car water pump and
pulley. 

Yes, do use the shift arms for the shifter you will be using! 

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:06:27 -0400
From: "oldcars@xxxxxxxxx" <oldcars@xxxxxxxxx>

I have spent a fair amount of time beneath the car lately, so I can confirm
that mine is a 4-bolt mount to the torque tube and has the 4-point mounts. 

The current plan is to take the T-96H from the 67 American, which I had got
from a fellow lister in nearby Maryland, and bolt that gearbox to the
tailshaft and housing from the 62. I hope that there is no roadblock to
doing that.

I admit that it IS tempting to think of the 199 in the 62 classic, since I
know the 7-main-bearing engines a lot better, and since the 196 would be an
easy swap into the 64 American Wagon which I have  had sitting around for
some while. However I would have to figure out how to make the 199 work
with the accelerator linkage of the 62 which has a unique rotating linkage
which plugs into the throttle plate linkage. Anyway, I guess the 196 should
be left where it started since the car is a 57K mile original.

I did notice that the shifter arms are completly different shapes and
lengths between the 62 and the 67, so I will swap them over. 

Yes, I will take the parking brake adjuster and the flex hose loose as well
- the parking brake may be an adventure since it has probably not been
adjusted in 46 years. 

-- 
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AMC.html
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