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- From: Jon <jon53@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:40:58 -0800
Steve,
You could have had 2...Sold it today!...:-)
Jon
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> 1. Re: Tommie B. (mikebailey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> 2. Wanted (hffej@xxxxxxxxxxx)
> 3. Re: 1970 Big Bad Blue AMX For Sale (Steven F. Brueggeman)
> 4. "Johnny Appleseed is selling automotive dreams" (Mahoney,
> John)
> 5. Lowering a Rambler wagon? (johnny kazek)
> 6. Re: Lowering a Rambler wagon? (Matt Haas)
> 7. Re: Lowering a Rambler wagon?
> (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
> 8. Help With Window Motor (Nolanatcamelot@xxxxxxx)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:37:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: mikebailey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Tommie B.
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> "Thanks a lot, Mike!"
>
> (signed) Tom B. J.
>
>
> -----> Right back at ya, TBJ.
> -m.b.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:31:43 -0800
> From: <hffej@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] Wanted
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> Wanted:Looking to buy a 1969 or 1970 AMC Javelin. Would prefer a
> 390 w/4 speed. Mod 69 0r 70 Donohue. Hoping to find at #1 or # 2
> condition car,the more options the better. The ideal car would be
> one that needs nothing or very little. I grew up in my families AMC
> dealership and have always loved the cars. Please contact me if you
> think you have a car that you would want to go to a good home. Any
> leads would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff, hffej@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 413-531-0960
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:48:00 -0600
> From: "Steven F. Brueggeman" <amcer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 1970 Big Bad Blue AMX For Sale
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> No thanks, got one :)
>
> -Steve-
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon" <jon53@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:28 PM
> Subject: [Amc-list] 1970 Big Bad Blue AMX For Sale
>
>
> > 1970 AMX For Sale!
> > 1970 American Motors AMX, one of only 114 known to be finished in
> Big Bad
> > Blue and an even fewer and extremely rare Blue Interior, bucket
> seats with
> > center console, 390cid V8 engine with working Ram-Air and
> Motorcraft 4bbl
> > carburetor, automatic transmission, Air Conditioning, Go-Package,
> limited
> > slip rear-end, power front disk brakes, quick ratio power
> steering, tinted
> > glass, heavy duty suspension, C-Stripe, rally wheels, tachometer,
> clock,
> > passenger side outside mirror, 140mph speedometer, rim blow
> steering
> > wheel, original am/fm radio, day/night rear view mirror, rear
> bumper
> > guards, AMX dash plaque #20459, odometer reading: 79,486 (actual
> miles),
> > VIN: A0C397X289632
> >
> >
> > This was originally a California car (Original Owner's Manual,
> Plastic
> > Wallet Service Card & Build Sheet Included along with much other
> paperwork
> > from over the years).
> > I bought this AMX 13 years ago in Las Vegas. I kept it in my
> garage in Las
> > Vegas and drove it on only the occasional weekend until I moved
> to Texas
> > about a year ago.
> > This car has no rust in any of the body panels or floorboards! It
> drives
> > like new and EVERYTHING WORKS except for the heater for which I
> have a
> > brand new heater core that has not been installed yet (I'll leave
> this to
> > the new owner).
> > I have had 3 AMX's and this one has been my favorite!
> > Very little to do to make this a show car. I will say that it
> could use an
> > fresh coat of paint, new c-stripes and maybe have the bumpers
> re-chromed.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > View Pics & Details At:
> > http://slotcargarage.com/jon/1970AMX/1970.html
> >
> > You can contact me at jon53@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx if you have any
> questions.
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:43:51 -0500
> From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] "Johnny Appleseed is selling automotive
> dreams"
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> (...and doesn't care if you do --- or don't --- read or agree with
> him...)
>
> "He's making a speech --- so what else is new?"
>
> That's what -they- said way back in AMC history. Here are -his-
> words:
>
> "This fellow here is called a triceratops. He had the biggest
> radiator ornament in prehistoric history [and] had a wheelbase of
> nearly 30 feet. The dinosaur perished because he got too big."
>
> [The American dinosaur ... is the long, low, chrome-laden U.S.
> auto, i.e., any car made by Detroit's Big Three]: "Who wants to
> have a gas-guzzling dinosaur in his garage?"
>
> "Why do you drive such big cars? You don't need a monster to go to
> the drugstore for a package of hairpins."
>
> "If we all drove small cars, we'd have a lot less trouble like
> this."
>
> "We don't have research and development facilities in magnitude
> equal to the Big Three, but we have greater freedom and flexibility
> of operation. We're leaner. We're harder. We're faster. I've
> seen halfbacks, out in the clear, trip and fall flat with a sure
> touchdown in sight. That sort of thing could happen to anybody.
> But I don't intend to let that happen to us."
>
> - G. Romney, April 6, 1959
>
>
> "We put our trust in the American people and the free enterprises
> [that] American people create; if government is too big, it slows
> down innovation and entrepreneurs."
>
> "What does this mean for Detroit? Well, it means that the
> automotive fleet will have to become more fuel-efficient. CAFE
> improved mileage initially, but the consumer has gotten around it
> over the last couple of decades. CAFE has some real problems."
>
> "Let's not forget that a far more fuel efficient fleet must be part
> of our energy future. The issue is, which is the least distorting
> way to achieve it."
>
> - M. Romney, February 7, 2007
>
>
> Detroit dreams will never die. Toyota will never fulfill them.
>
> American motorists don't ever, EVER! intend to let that happen.
>
> In 1959, Studebaker sold 4,300 Larks each week and AMC market share
> had risen from 1.6% to 6.2%; scarcely more than 500,000 import cars
> were sold in all of North America. So George Romney saw a bright
> future for American Rambler:
>
> "In five years the compact car will have at least half the auto
> market."
>
> American Motors had needed to increase production 20 times in 18
> months.
>
> AMC expected to build as many Ramblers as imported-make sales
> -totaled-.
>
> AMC almost reached its lofty goal. Then the goalposts were moved.
> Far!
>
> In 1987, as AMC rattled to death, GM had fallen to a 39.6% market
> share.
>
> AMC-Jeep-Renault had fallen to an amazingly small .7% domestic
> presence.
>
> AMC sold $3.5 billion worth of cars: it lost almost $1 billion to
> do so.
>
> AMC couldn't survive building cars it couldn't profit from. New or
> old.
>
> It didn't matter how many AMC cars you and your kind of buyers
> bought.
>
> It won't matter if you buy the 2007 Five Hundred or the 2008
> Taurus.
>
> Not when everybody else is buying the Camry, Altima, and Accord.
>
> Same with musclecars: Buy Mustang, Camaro, 'Cuda, or Javelin?
>
> AMC cars still can become more --- or less --- collectible.
>
> Which sorts of things do **YOU** intend to let happen?
>
> Do you intend to learn something from old George?
>
> Or will you bleat around the bushes, saying:
>
> That sort of thing could happen to anybody.
>
> It once happened to Studebaker-Packard.
>
> It had happened to American Motors.
>
> It almost happened to Chrysler.
>
> It can happen to GM or Ford.
>
> Do you care what happens?
>
> Very likely you should.
>
>
> In 2007, the import makes could claim over half of the American
> market.
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/06/news/companies/import_nation/index.htm
>
> In 1997, Jeep realized ~$13,000-$15,000 profit on every Grand
> Cherokee.
>
> Daimler-Benz bought Chrysler for the reason Chrysler bought AMC.
> Jeep.
>
>
> In 2007, Caddy redacts ~$18,000-23,000 off MSRP to sell every
> Escalade.
>
> GM probably makes money on every Cadillac/GMC truck built by
> Americans.
>
> Cadillac's Luxo-Trucko sales have increased by 40, 44, and 116
> percent.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2p9gso
>
> But GM probably loses money on each [non-'Vette] Chevy car it can
> sell.
>
> Would a Toyota/BMW/Renault/Hyundai buy GM for Cadillac -or-
> Chevrolet?
>
> In five years, where will GM be?
>
> Is there a lesson from history?
>
> We don't know. You tell us.
>
>
> In 2007, Toyota offers $229/month Prius leases to increase sales
> ~75%.
>
> Toyota probably loses money on every hybrid lease signed by
> Americans.
>
> Toyota is the next GM. Is Toyota the next automotive triceratops
> too?
>
> In five years, where will Toyota be?
>
> A 1962 Rambler or a 2002 Oldsmobile?
>
> Ask the Aurora for a glimmer or two.
>
> So is the next dinosaur American motors? Can America perish with
> it?
>
> Does anyone in America still care?
>
> What does America intend to do?
>
> Talk about it?
>
> Change it?
>
> Nothing?
>
> Hmmm.
>
>
> >>
> I've got 1956 and 1957 brochures that show the larger Rambler Super
> Cross Country with a woodgrain pattern around the pillar area, but
> nothing like this...
>
> http://rides.webshots.com/album/557506063qxgrLU
>
> The same car is on Epage right now for 13 grand:
>
> http://epage.com/js/mi/c46295/r649969/2008145.html
> <<
>
> A fine job of graining and a fun car to show, but the "wood" on
> that Rambler wagon would be after-the-fact. Better than some new
> wood wagons, though
>
> http://www.ptwoody.com/dc004.html
>
> <gag> 'though some aren't too bad
>
> http://www.ptwoody.com/jc001.html
>
> and prove the value of AMC style.
>
> [DaimlerChrysler's new found AMC:
>
> http://www.patriotadventure.com/ ]
>
>
> Remember AMC's Wagoneer Limited?
>
> "DECALS, EXTERIOR WOODGRAIN XJ WAGONEER LIMITED . . . . . . . . . .
> . . . . . . . . . . Fig. 23-5700"
>
> http://www.xjjeeps.com/com_xjjeeps/tech_reference.asp?section=2&ID=29
>
> Maybe someday AMC -cars- will see that extent of documentation
> online.
>
> Because the next [2010 Jeep Grand] Cherokee will be a [W164]
> Mercedes.
>
> So goes American Motors history. So too will go Dodge's Durango,
> Chrysler's Aspen, and yet another "all-new" "All-American" icon
> sold as a Jeep.
>
> They're not your father's "dinosaur-fighter" Romney Ramblers any
> more.
>
> But that's all "TMI" if you don't care to read pre-muscle AMC
> history.
>
> Then so it goes.
>
> So you know AMC?
>
> Post a "where/when" on "Rambler is the Modern Yardstick of Car
> Value"
>
> Put your words where any "Romneys" can read them. You owe it to
> AMC.
>
> Let the lead balloons float.
>
> Oh well.
>
> PS --- Nash built a "Suburban" for 1946, 1947, and 1948: ~1000
> sold.
>
> If you don't enjoy my words, enjoy a genuinely collectible AMC
> view.
>
> http://www.woodiesusa.com/vehicles4sale/47Nash/47Nash.asp
>
> PPS --- Frank, see the real resto rod, slammed-n-bammed,
> silver-n-black, skull-n-chains sedan that attended our Centennial:
> I'll send two photos. It was beautifully done, yet it scared some
> and its owner --- a young [for P-A, that's 40-something]
> blue-collar-ish guy --- got the cold shoulder. AKA ignored.
>
> The Phil Hills may have been aquiver [an Arrow joke, get it?], but
> in my humble opinion "his car, his cash (and, I discovered, mostly
> his own work) were operatives" so, like anything that's well done,
> were worth a look, learn and listen. I did just that --- as I do
> with all the Phils --- why not?
>
> http://www.classics.com/images01/rod01-ph.jpg
>
> http://www.classics.com/images01/rod01-15.jpg
>
> (and for those who aren't totally turned off now, that very car was
> first PB "Classic" BOS winner; one year after American Motors
> began. If you care to see -that- photo, click on "56 years..."
> at:
>
> http://www.pebblebeachconcours.net/Archive.htm#
>
> If you don't, that's sad, but what can be said?
>
> Ignore Ambassador owners on the 18th green too.
>
> For that sort of thing could happen to anybody.
>
> And has.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:17:49 +0000
> From: "johnny kazek" <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Amc-list] Lowering a Rambler wagon?
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:26:59 -0500
> From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Lowering a Rambler wagon?
> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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> Jonny,
>
> You need to set your email client to send plain text to the list.
> To
> answer your question, you can make lowering plates (take a look at
>
> http://www.amcforums.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl for some ideas on how to
> make
> these) to take care of the front of your 60 Rambler wagon. If you
> have
> rear leaf springs, you can use lowering blocks in the rear. If you
> have
> a coil spring rear suspension, shorter coils are the only way to
> lower it.
>
> Matt
>
> johnny kazek wrote:
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> --
> mhaas@xxxxxxx
> Cincinnati, OH
> http://www.mattsoldcars.com
> 1967 Rambler American wagon
> 1968 Rambler American sedan
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> According to a February survey of Internet holdouts released by
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>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:22:41 -0600
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Lowering a Rambler wagon?
> To: <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> johnny kazek wrote:
> I'd like to lower my 60 Rambler wagon a little, few inches at
> most.
> Everything else stock look, just want a little more sleekness. Mine
> has
> regular coil suspension. Don't think I have budget for bags, and
> don't
> trust cutting the old springs I have now.
>
> Should I pursue an aftermarket spring that's compatible and cut
> that? Or
> anyone know of something that's a close fit to this car that may
> ride
> lower but offer about same compression? If anyone knows it'd be you
> guys
>
> Thanks- Johnny
> -----------------------
>
> As Matt said -- change your e-mail setting to send "plain text" to
> the
> list. One can always click on the attachment and sort through the
> HTML
> code to get the message (I did that and reposted above), but most
> people
> won't even look at it.
>
> You don't want springs of the same softness. For today's roads you
> need
> the equivalent of the heavy duty springs, which were 15-20% stiffer
> than
> the stock springs. Up to about 65 the cars were spring a lot
> softer
> because there were few smooth high speed roads. By "high speed" I
> mean
> areas you could travel more than 50 mph for any length of time. In
> 1960
> there were few places across the country where that was even
> possible!
> Try by-passing a popular stretch of Interstate a few times and
> you'll
> see what I mean -- and THOSE roads are at least 25-30% better than
> they
> were in the late 50s and early 60s!
>
> The high springs in the Ramblers are very roll resistant, that's
> why the
> six cylinder cars used no sway bar and the V-8 bar is relatively
> small
> at 1/2". A stiffer spring will reduce roll more than adding a sway
> bar.
>
> You can only lower the car with springs a maximum of 2" (I'd go no
> more
> than 1.5") with springs because of control arm angle and the effect
> that
> has on steering geometry. When you lower by any means you reduce
> suspension travel and really need stiffer springs. Even using the
> front
> lowering plates will reduce travel because there's not as much
> room
> under the car. You can get a good 2-3" with front lowering plates
> without changing the control arm angles though. Theoretically
> you're not
> reducing suspension travel with front lowering plates, the
> suspension
> can physically travel the same distance as before. The top of the
> tire
> and bottom of the car can hit something sooner though, so you do
> lose
> some travel.
>
> In the past I have had very good luck lowering up to 1.5" with new
> springs. I use Coil Spring Specialties (www.coilspring.com). They
> will
> custom wind a new set of variable rate springs the equivalent of
> the
> single rate original springs. The variable rates are softer at
> first,
> but the rate increases as the spring compresses. This improves both
> ride
> and handling. CSS has the data for the original springs and will
> figure
> out the equivalent replacement for you. You can specify how much
> stiffer
> you want them over stock and the reduction in installed height, or
> just
> order the equivalent of the HD spring for that model at the
> reduced
> installed height.
>
> Up to 1968 AMC published spring specs in the TSMs. If you don't
> have a
> 1960 I can get the spring rate info for you if you're curious.
>
> Do note that if you're contemplating an engine change, you should
> take
> that into consideration before ordering new springs. Otherwise you
> may
> need more later. You have the aluminum six IIRC, which is a good
> bit
> lighter than the cast iron model. The cast iron 195.6 (OHV or
> L-head) is
> only 100 lbs lighter than a later model V-8, about 150 lbs lighter
> than
> a GEN-1 V-8. IIRC the aluminum 195.6 is ~150 lbs lighter than the
> cast
> iron 195.6, or 250-300 lbs lighter than a V-8.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:56:58 EST
> From: Nolanatcamelot@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [Amc-list] Help With Window Motor
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <c72.c6cd940.32fd4b0a@xxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Need help....The drivers's side window motor quit with the window
> in the up
> position. There is evidence that someone tried to fix it once
> before and it
> didn't work when I bought the car. By loosing the locking nut and
> adjusting the
> screw on the top of the motor, we got it to work. It has quit
> again and no
> amount of adjusting will get it going. Has anyone experience in
> removing and
> repairing one ? I've been told that it is spring loaded and can be
> dangerous.
> Does anyone have a TM for a 79 Pacer Limited Wagon that shows or
> explains how
> to safety remove the motor, or if someone has experience in
> subject removal
> I could use some help.l
>
> Nolan Dehner
> Nor Cal AMCs
> Windsor, Ca 95492
> 1976 Pacer Standard
> 1979 Pacer Wagon Limited
> Nolanatcamelot@xxxxxxx
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