Re: [Amc-list] 1970 Big Bad Blue AMX For Sale

["Steven F. Brueggeman" <amcer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yeah, guess it could have been for the Mrs!

-Steve-



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon" <jon53@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 1970 Big Bad Blue AMX For Sale


> Steve,
> You could have had 2...Sold it today!...:-)
>
> Jon
>
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>>    3. Re: 1970 Big Bad Blue AMX For Sale (Steven F. Brueggeman)
>>    4. "Johnny Appleseed is selling automotive dreams" (Mahoney,
>> John)
>>    5. Lowering a Rambler wagon? (johnny kazek)
>>    6. Re: Lowering a Rambler wagon? (Matt Haas)
>>    7. Re: Lowering a Rambler wagon?
>>       (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
>>    8. Help With Window Motor (Nolanatcamelot@xxxxxxx)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:37:00 -0800 (PST)
>> From: mikebailey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Tommie B.
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>> "Thanks a lot, Mike!"
>>
>> (signed) Tom B. J.
>>
>>
>> -----> Right back at ya, TBJ.
>> -m.b.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:31:43 -0800
>> From: <hffej@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [Amc-list] Wanted
>> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> Wanted:Looking to buy a 1969 or 1970 AMC Javelin. Would prefer a
>> 390 w/4 speed. Mod 69 0r 70 Donohue. Hoping to find at #1 or # 2
>> condition car,the more options the better. The ideal car would be
>> one that needs nothing or very little. I grew up in my families AMC
>> dealership and have always loved the cars. Please contact me if you
>> think you have a car that you would want to go to a good home.  Any
>> leads would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff,  hffej@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> 413-531-0960
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:48:00 -0600
>> From: "Steven F. Brueggeman" <amcer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 1970 Big Bad Blue AMX For Sale
>> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>> No thanks, got one :)
>>
>> -Steve-
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jon" <jon53@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:28 PM
>> Subject: [Amc-list] 1970 Big Bad Blue AMX For Sale
>>
>>
>> > 1970 AMX For Sale!
>> > 1970 American Motors AMX, one of only 114 known to be finished in
>> Big Bad
>> > Blue and an even fewer and extremely rare Blue Interior, bucket
>> seats with
>> > center console, 390cid V8 engine with working Ram-Air and
>> Motorcraft 4bbl
>> > carburetor, automatic transmission, Air Conditioning, Go-Package,
>> limited
>> > slip rear-end, power front disk brakes, quick ratio power
>> steering, tinted
>> > glass, heavy duty suspension, C-Stripe, rally wheels, tachometer,
>> clock,
>> > passenger side outside mirror, 140mph speedometer, rim blow
>> steering
>> > wheel, original am/fm radio, day/night rear view mirror, rear
>> bumper
>> > guards, AMX dash plaque #20459, odometer reading: 79,486 (actual
>> miles),
>> > VIN: A0C397X289632
>> >
>> >
>> > This was originally a California car (Original Owner's Manual,
>> Plastic
>> > Wallet Service Card & Build Sheet Included along with much other
>> paperwork
>> > from over the years).
>> > I bought this AMX 13 years ago in Las Vegas. I kept it in my
>> garage in Las
>> > Vegas and drove it on only the occasional weekend until I moved
>> to Texas
>> > about a year ago.
>> > This car has no rust in any of the body panels or floorboards! It
>> drives
>> > like new and EVERYTHING WORKS except for the heater for which I
>> have a
>> > brand new heater core that has not been installed yet (I'll leave
>> this to
>> > the new owner).
>> > I have had 3 AMX's and this one has been my favorite!
>> > Very little to do to make this a show car. I will say that it
>> could use an
>> > fresh coat of paint, new c-stripes and maybe have the bumpers
>> re-chromed.
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> > View Pics & Details At:
>> > http://slotcargarage.com/jon/1970AMX/1970.html
>> >
>> > You can contact me at jon53@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx if you have any
>> questions.
>> >
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:43:51 -0500
>> From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [Amc-list] "Johnny Appleseed is selling automotive
>> dreams"
>> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> (...and doesn't care if you do --- or don't --- read or agree with
>> him...)
>>
>> "He's making a speech --- so what else is new?"
>>
>> That's what -they- said way back in AMC history.  Here are -his-
>> words:
>>
>> "This fellow here is called a triceratops.  He had the biggest
>> radiator ornament in prehistoric history [and] had a wheelbase of
>> nearly 30 feet.  The dinosaur perished because he got too big."
>>
>> [The American dinosaur ... is the long, low, chrome-laden U.S.
>> auto, i.e., any car made by Detroit's Big Three]: "Who wants to
>> have a gas-guzzling dinosaur in his garage?"
>>
>> "Why do you drive such big cars?  You don't need a monster to go to
>> the drugstore for a package of hairpins."
>>
>> "If we all drove small cars, we'd have a lot less trouble like
>> this."
>>
>> "We don't have research and development facilities in magnitude
>> equal to the Big Three, but we have greater freedom and flexibility
>> of operation.  We're leaner.  We're harder.  We're faster.  I've
>> seen halfbacks, out in the clear, trip and fall flat with a sure
>> touchdown in sight.  That sort of thing could happen to anybody.
>> But I don't intend to let that happen to us."
>>
>> - G. Romney, April 6, 1959
>>
>>
>> "We put our trust in the American people and the free enterprises
>> [that] American people create; if government is too big, it slows
>> down innovation and entrepreneurs."
>>
>> "What does this mean for Detroit?  Well, it means that the
>> automotive fleet will have to become more fuel-efficient.  CAFE
>> improved mileage initially, but the consumer has gotten around it
>> over the last couple of decades.  CAFE has some real problems."
>>
>> "Let's not forget that a far more fuel efficient fleet must be part
>> of our energy future.  The issue is, which is the least distorting
>> way to achieve it."
>>
>> - M. Romney, February 7, 2007
>>
>>
>> Detroit dreams will never die.  Toyota will never fulfill them.
>>
>> American motorists don't ever, EVER! intend to let that happen.
>>
>> In 1959, Studebaker sold 4,300 Larks each week and AMC market share
>> had risen from 1.6% to 6.2%; scarcely more than 500,000 import cars
>> were sold in all of North America.  So George Romney saw a bright
>> future for American Rambler:
>>
>> "In five years the compact car will have at least half the auto
>> market."
>>
>> American Motors had needed to increase production 20 times in 18
>> months.
>>
>> AMC expected to build as many Ramblers as imported-make sales
>> -totaled-.
>>
>> AMC almost reached its lofty goal.  Then the goalposts were moved.
>> Far!
>>
>> In 1987, as AMC rattled to death, GM had fallen to a 39.6% market
>> share.
>>
>> AMC-Jeep-Renault had fallen to an amazingly small .7% domestic
>> presence.
>>
>> AMC sold $3.5 billion worth of cars: it lost almost $1 billion to
>> do so.
>>
>> AMC couldn't survive building cars it couldn't profit from.  New or
>> old.
>>
>> It didn't matter how many AMC cars you and your kind of buyers
>> bought.
>>
>> It won't matter if you buy the 2007 Five Hundred or the 2008
>> Taurus.
>>
>> Not when everybody else is buying the Camry, Altima, and Accord.
>>
>> Same with musclecars: Buy Mustang, Camaro, 'Cuda, or Javelin?
>>
>> AMC cars still can become more --- or less --- collectible.
>>
>> Which sorts of things do **YOU** intend to let happen?
>>
>> Do you intend to learn something from old George?
>>
>> Or will you bleat around the bushes, saying:
>>
>> That sort of thing could happen to anybody.
>>
>> It once happened to Studebaker-Packard.
>>
>> It had happened to American Motors.
>>
>> It almost happened to Chrysler.
>>
>> It can happen to GM or Ford.
>>
>> Do you care what happens?
>>
>> Very likely you should.
>>
>>
>> In 2007, the import makes could claim over half of the American
>> market.
>>
>> http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/06/news/companies/import_nation/index.htm
>>
>> In 1997, Jeep realized ~$13,000-$15,000 profit on every Grand
>> Cherokee.
>>
>> Daimler-Benz bought Chrysler for the reason Chrysler bought AMC.
>> Jeep.
>>
>>
>> In 2007, Caddy redacts ~$18,000-23,000 off MSRP to sell every
>> Escalade.
>>
>> GM probably makes money on every Cadillac/GMC truck built by
>> Americans.
>>
>> Cadillac's Luxo-Trucko sales have increased by 40, 44, and 116
>> percent.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2p9gso
>>
>> But GM probably loses money on each [non-'Vette] Chevy car it can
>> sell.
>>
>> Would a Toyota/BMW/Renault/Hyundai buy GM for Cadillac -or-
>> Chevrolet?
>>
>> In five years, where will GM be?
>>
>> Is there a lesson from history?
>>
>> We don't know.  You tell us.
>>
>>
>> In 2007, Toyota offers $229/month Prius leases to increase sales
>> ~75%.
>>
>> Toyota probably loses money on every hybrid lease signed by
>> Americans.
>>
>> Toyota is the next GM.  Is Toyota the next automotive triceratops
>> too?
>>
>> In five years, where will Toyota be?
>>
>> A 1962 Rambler or a 2002 Oldsmobile?
>>
>> Ask the Aurora for a glimmer or two.
>>
>> So is the next dinosaur American motors?  Can America perish with
>> it?
>>
>> Does anyone in America still care?
>>
>> What does America intend to do?
>>
>> Talk about it?
>>
>> Change it?
>>
>> Nothing?
>>
>> Hmmm.
>>
>>
>> >>
>> I've got 1956 and 1957 brochures that show the larger Rambler Super
>> Cross Country with a woodgrain pattern around the pillar area, but
>> nothing like this...
>>
>> http://rides.webshots.com/album/557506063qxgrLU
>>
>> The same car is on Epage right now for 13 grand:
>>
>> http://epage.com/js/mi/c46295/r649969/2008145.html
>> <<
>>
>> A fine job of graining and a fun car to show, but the "wood" on
>> that Rambler wagon would be after-the-fact.  Better than some new
>> wood wagons, though
>>
>> http://www.ptwoody.com/dc004.html
>>
>> <gag> 'though some aren't too bad
>>
>> http://www.ptwoody.com/jc001.html
>>
>> and prove the value of AMC style.
>>
>> [DaimlerChrysler's new found AMC:
>>
>> http://www.patriotadventure.com/ ]
>>
>>
>> Remember AMC's Wagoneer Limited?
>>
>> "DECALS, EXTERIOR WOODGRAIN XJ WAGONEER LIMITED . . . . . . . . . .
>> . . . . . . . . . . Fig. 23-5700"
>>
>> http://www.xjjeeps.com/com_xjjeeps/tech_reference.asp?section=2&ID=29
>>
>> Maybe someday AMC -cars- will see that extent of documentation
>> online.
>>
>> Because the next [2010 Jeep Grand] Cherokee will be a [W164]
>> Mercedes.
>>
>> So goes American Motors history.  So too will go Dodge's Durango,
>> Chrysler's Aspen, and yet another "all-new" "All-American" icon
>> sold as a Jeep.
>>
>> They're not your father's "dinosaur-fighter" Romney Ramblers any
>> more.
>>
>> But that's all "TMI" if you don't care to read pre-muscle AMC
>> history.
>>
>> Then so it goes.
>>
>> So you know AMC?
>>
>> Post a "where/when" on "Rambler is the Modern Yardstick of Car
>> Value"
>>
>> Put your words where any "Romneys" can read them.  You owe it to
>> AMC.
>>
>> Let the lead balloons float.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> PS --- Nash built a "Suburban" for 1946, 1947, and 1948: ~1000
>> sold.
>>
>> If you don't enjoy my words, enjoy a genuinely collectible AMC
>> view.
>>
>> http://www.woodiesusa.com/vehicles4sale/47Nash/47Nash.asp
>>
>> PPS --- Frank, see the real resto rod, slammed-n-bammed,
>> silver-n-black, skull-n-chains sedan that attended our Centennial:
>> I'll send two photos. It was beautifully done, yet it scared some
>> and its owner --- a young [for P-A, that's 40-something]
>> blue-collar-ish guy --- got the cold shoulder.  AKA ignored.
>>
>> The Phil Hills may have been aquiver [an Arrow joke, get it?], but
>> in my humble opinion "his car, his cash (and, I discovered, mostly
>> his own work) were operatives" so, like anything that's well done,
>> were worth a look, learn and listen.  I did just that --- as I do
>> with all the Phils --- why not?
>>
>> http://www.classics.com/images01/rod01-ph.jpg
>>
>> http://www.classics.com/images01/rod01-15.jpg
>>
>> (and for those who aren't totally turned off now, that very car was
>> first PB  "Classic" BOS winner; one year after American Motors
>> began.  If you care to see -that- photo, click on "56 years..."
>> at:
>>
>> http://www.pebblebeachconcours.net/Archive.htm#
>>
>> If you don't, that's sad, but what can be said?
>>
>> Ignore Ambassador owners on the 18th green too.
>>
>> For that sort of thing could happen to anybody.
>>
>> And has.
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:17:49 +0000
>> From: "johnny kazek" <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [Amc-list] Lowering a Rambler wagon?
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:26:59 -0500
>> From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Lowering a Rambler wagon?
>> To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans."
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>> Jonny,
>>
>> You need to set your email client to send plain text to the list.
>> To
>> answer your question, you can make lowering plates (take a look at
>>
>> http://www.amcforums.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl for some ideas on how to
>> make
>> these) to take care of the front of your 60 Rambler wagon. If you
>> have
>> rear leaf springs, you can use lowering blocks in the rear. If you
>> have
>> a coil spring rear suspension, shorter coils are the only way to
>> lower it.
>>
>> Matt
>>
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>> -- 
>> mhaas@xxxxxxx
>> Cincinnati, OH
>> http://www.mattsoldcars.com
>> 1967 Rambler American wagon
>> 1968 Rambler American sedan
>> ===============================================================
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:22:41 -0600
>> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
>> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Lowering a Rambler wagon?
>> To: <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> johnny kazek wrote:
>> I'd like to lower my 60 Rambler wagon a little, few inches at
>> most.
>> Everything else stock look, just want a little more sleekness. Mine
>> has
>> regular coil suspension. Don't think I have budget for bags, and
>> don't
>> trust cutting the old springs I have now.
>>
>> Should I pursue an aftermarket spring that's compatible and cut
>> that? Or
>> anyone know of something that's a close fit to this car that may
>> ride
>> lower but offer about same compression? If anyone knows it'd be you
>> guys
>>
>> Thanks- Johnny
>> -----------------------
>>
>> As Matt said -- change your e-mail setting to send "plain text" to
>> the
>> list. One can always click on the attachment and sort through the
>> HTML
>> code to get the message (I did that and reposted above), but most
>> people
>> won't even look at it.
>>
>> You don't want springs of the same softness. For today's roads you
>> need
>> the equivalent of the heavy duty springs, which were 15-20% stiffer
>> than
>> the stock springs. Up to about 65 the cars were spring a lot
>> softer
>> because there were few smooth high speed roads. By "high speed" I
>> mean
>> areas you could travel more than 50 mph for any length of time. In
>> 1960
>> there were few places across the country where that was even
>> possible!
>> Try by-passing a popular stretch of Interstate a few times and
>> you'll
>> see what I mean -- and THOSE roads are at least 25-30% better than
>> they
>> were in the late 50s and early 60s!
>>
>> The high springs in the Ramblers are very roll resistant, that's
>> why the
>> six cylinder cars used no sway bar and the V-8 bar is relatively
>> small
>> at 1/2". A stiffer spring will reduce roll more than adding a sway
>> bar.
>>
>> You can only lower the car with springs a maximum of 2" (I'd go no
>> more
>> than 1.5") with springs because of control arm angle and the effect
>> that
>> has on steering geometry. When you lower by any means you reduce
>> suspension travel and really need stiffer springs. Even using the
>> front
>> lowering plates will reduce travel because there's not as much
>> room
>> under the car. You can get a good 2-3" with front lowering plates
>> without changing the control arm angles though. Theoretically
>> you're not
>> reducing suspension travel with front lowering plates, the
>> suspension
>> can physically travel the same distance as before. The top of the
>> tire
>> and bottom of the car can hit something sooner though, so you do
>> lose
>> some travel.
>>
>> In the past I have had very good luck lowering up to 1.5" with new
>> springs. I use Coil Spring Specialties (www.coilspring.com). They
>> will
>> custom wind a new set of variable rate springs the equivalent of
>> the
>> single rate original springs. The variable rates are softer at
>> first,
>> but the rate increases as the spring compresses. This improves both
>> ride
>> and handling. CSS has the data for the original springs and will
>> figure
>> out the equivalent replacement for you. You can specify how much
>> stiffer
>> you want them over stock and the reduction in installed height, or
>> just
>> order the equivalent of the HD spring for that model at the
>> reduced
>> installed height.
>>
>> Up to 1968 AMC published spring specs in the TSMs. If you don't
>> have a
>> 1960 I can get the spring rate info for you if you're curious.
>>
>> Do note that if you're contemplating an engine change, you should
>> take
>> that into consideration before ordering new springs. Otherwise you
>> may
>> need more later. You have the aluminum six IIRC, which is a good
>> bit
>> lighter than the cast iron model. The cast iron 195.6 (OHV or
>> L-head) is
>> only 100 lbs lighter than a later model V-8, about 150 lbs lighter
>> than
>> a GEN-1 V-8. IIRC the aluminum 195.6 is ~150 lbs lighter than the
>> cast
>> iron 195.6, or 250-300 lbs lighter than a V-8.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:56:58 EST
>> From: Nolanatcamelot@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: [Amc-list] Help With Window Motor
>> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Message-ID: <c72.c6cd940.32fd4b0a@xxxxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Need help....The drivers's side window motor quit with the window
>> in the up
>> position. There is evidence that someone tried to fix it once
>> before and it
>> didn't work when I bought the car. By loosing the locking nut and
>> adjusting the
>>  screw on the top of the motor, we got it to work. It has quit
>> again and no
>> amount of adjusting will get it going. Has anyone experience in
>> removing and
>> repairing one ? I've been told that it is spring loaded and can be
>> dangerous.
>> Does anyone have a TM for a 79 Pacer Limited Wagon that shows or
>> explains how
>> to  safety remove the motor, or if someone has experience in
>> subject removal
>> I could  use some help.l
>>
>> Nolan  Dehner
>> Nor Cal AMCs
>> Windsor, Ca 95492
>> 1976 Pacer Standard
>> 1979 Pacer  Wagon Limited
>> Nolanatcamelot@xxxxxxx
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