AMC-List Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18
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Today's Topics:
1. FOR SALE (namdra@xxxxxxxx)
2. Re: Heat Crossover (Glenn Ford)
3. Fw: Emission Maintenance Timers (Eddie Stakes)
4. tape for 77-80 AMX flairs? (Eddie Stakes)
5. Re: Heat Crossover (namdra@xxxxxxxx)
6. Re: American Motoring (Larry R. Daum)
7. 77-80 AMX Flairs (Mr. AMC)
8. Re: Fw: Emission Maintenance Timers (Tom Jennings)
9. 1959 Rambler radiator (johnny kazek)
10. One More Time, Pushed the wrong button-- 77-80 AMX Flairs
(Mr. AMC)
11. Re; Crossover heat (John Elle)
12. Re; tape for 77-80 AMX flairs? (John Elle)
13. 17" Alloys - 'doin that Bling tang' (Brien Tourville)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:14:41 -0600
From: namdra@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] FOR SALE
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20070110.141442.-16618071.2.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
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STREET/STRIP CAR FOR SALE - 67 Rambler Rogue "The Rumbler". Built 290 V-8
with solid lifter cam, Offenhauser valve covers. Doug Thorley headers,
Holly 600 cfm d-p carb, RPM Air-Gap intake. Deep sump oil pan. Mallory
electronic ignition. Holley electric fuel pump, flex fan, Taylor wires
and more. T-10 4spd. w/Lakewood safety bellhousing, new street/strip
clutch kit SS12015K, Hurst shifter & line-lock. New brakes. Model 20 rear
with Twin-Grip 4.44 gears and new Moser solid axles. Header muffler dual
exhaust. Mag wheels w/street/strip tires. Much, much more on the "Old
School" AMC - Price reduced to $12,500. Terry Robinson, 23401 W. Grass
Lake Rd., Antioch, IL 60002 (224) 430-3183
Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!
'07 AMC NATIONALS - Sep. 6-8, 2007 - Cordova Dragway Park, Cordova, IL
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:25:16 -0700
From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Heat Crossover
To: "mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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You used the key words "street machine".
I have no experience with any hi-perf AMC's, but I did once run a chev 283
w/30-30 cam +solids, .040 over and 10 to 1 comp. I blocked the crossover
with a Mr. Gasket intake set, and with a Holley four, I found it very
disconcerting to find , in cool, humid weather, that the throttle would
freeze up at part throttle while just cruising. I had heard of carburetor
icing, but just in airplanes. Gets exciting when the car won't slow down
with foot off gas.
I suspect you may find some of those manifolds may not have a crossover
passage, anyway, and the heat from below through the aluminum plenum may be
adequate. More experienced will chime in, I hope.
Just that if you get the NON-crossover type heads, you are stuck in that
rut.
I will say that my chev ran great during the summer, never needed premium,
only regular gas.
Glenn Ford
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:07:47 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: Emission Maintenance Timers
To: <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: txbomr@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <01a001c7350c$274d1030$abf1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Anyone ever heard of these boogers and if so, can you give them a idea on where to find one, or if you have one for sale, or just want to comment please do; be sure to copy your reply to harold also, thanks in advance to all who may reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
Email is currently HEAVY
5-12 day reply times, call if important
----- Original Message -----
From: Frey, Harold A.
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Emission Maintenance Timers
Eddie,
Thanks for taking the time to help me with this. I am looking for at least 6 E-cell timers for a project I am working on. Since I am creating visual mock-ups I am not concerned about the functionality of the items and would actually prefer non-functional units (costs are coming out of my pocket). If there is a source for functional items, I do know someone else that might be interested. The original component was manufactured by Plessey plc, but they have gone through a series of hostile takeovers and corporate restructures that leave little hope for finding any that route. The only reference I can find still listing them are the mid-80's AMC vehicles. Here is all the information I have:
1982-83 AMC Concord & Spirit & 1982-87 Eagle The emission maintenance lamp, Fig. 14, will light after 1000 hours of engine operation to indicate the need for oxygen sensor replacement. After performing the required service, the emission maintenance E-Cell timer, located in the passenger compartment, must be replaced for the next 1000-hour interval. To replace the timer, remove the printed circuit board, remove timer from its enclosure, then insert replacement timer
Fig. 14 Emission maintenance reminder indicator wiring schematic. 1982-83 AMC Concord & Spirit & 1982-87 Eagle
1985 JEEP CHEROKEE AND WAGONEER RECALL DETAILS: THESE VEHICLES MAY HAVE AN E-CELL TIMER UNIT INTERFERING WITH THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL ASSEMBLY AND POSSIBLY PREVENTING THE ENGINE FROM RETURNING TO IDLE WHEN THE DRIVER HAS REMOVED HIS FOOT FROM THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL. LOSS OF ACCELERATOR CONTROL COULD RESULT IN VEHICLE CRASH WITHOUT PRIOR WARNING
Our e-mail filtering program sometimes has problems dealing with outside addresses. I can be reliably reached at txbomr@xxxxxxx or at either of the phone numbers below. Thanks again for any help you or your network can provide.
Harold Frey
Explosives Division - Dallas
510 Airline Drive Suite 200
Coppell, TX 75019
Harold.Frey@xxxxxxx
o 972-304-2665
f 972-304-2688
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:10:06 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] tape for 77-80 AMX flairs?
To: <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: D VOGEL <dvogel55@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <01dd01c7350c$bf8da800$abf1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I have been trying to help Dan with some suggestions, but for some reacon
don't remember where I saw it mentioned what people use to make the flairs
on later model AMXs stick to body like originals. Any suggestions please
feel free to comment and thanks in advance to all who might reply.
Hi Eddie
I went to the site and could not find it about sticky tape
also which flairs did you have to reshape on your 71
how hard was it
can these be painted and does special paint have to be used
Thanks again Dan
----- Original Message ----
From: Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: D VOGEL <dvogel55@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
Email is currently HEAVY
5-12 day reply times, call if important
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:38:00 -0600
From: namdra@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Heat Crossover
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20070110.174454.-16531167.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I have to agree with Glenn on using an intake with heat crossover with a
street machine. Not necessary with a strip car but on a street car it
helps with warmup and smooth running. As far as intakes go, I would
choose the R4B if it is strictly a street machine as it gives you more
power from stoplight to stoplight, not that I would ever race on the
street. Yeah, right. I myself really like the Torker for many of the
street/strip AMC's I have owned over the years, it gives you more power
at higher rpm's. Dual quads are nice for looks but not as much power with
them.
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:25:16 -0700 "Glenn Ford"
<gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> You used the key words "street machine".
>
> I have no experience with any hi-perf AMC's, but I did once run a
> chev 283
> w/30-30 cam +solids, .040 over and 10 to 1 comp. I blocked the
> crossover
> with a Mr. Gasket intake set, and with a Holley four, I found it
> very
> disconcerting to find , in cool, humid weather, that the throttle
> would
> freeze up at part throttle while just cruising. I had heard of
> carburetor
> icing, but just in airplanes. Gets exciting when the car won't slow
> down
> with foot off gas.
>
> I suspect you may find some of those manifolds may not have a
> crossover
> passage, anyway, and the heat from below through the aluminum plenum
> may be
> adequate. More experienced will chime in, I hope.
>
> Just that if you get the NON-crossover type heads, you are stuck in
> that
> rut.
>
> I will say that my chev ran great during the summer, never needed
> premium,
> only regular gas.
>
> Glenn Ford
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
>
>
Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!
'07 AMC NATIONALS - Sep. 6-8, 2007 - Cordova Dragway Park, Cordova, IL
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:51:56 -0800
From: "Larry R. Daum" <mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] American Motoring
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070110154205.02da4610@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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RE:American Motoring
I got my Jan/Feb issue of American Motoring yesterday from my PO Box, where
I had the AMO club newsletter switched as I was not getting any of about
the last 3 in my home mail box. Problem is I got the Nov/Dec issue of
American Motoring the day before in home mail box. At first I thought I
just got a second issue as the address was recently changed. But no I got
the Jan\Feb issue one day after the Nov/Dec issue . I know the Jan/Feb
issue was mailed 4 days before from Janesville, Wisconsin. Could be that
the Nov/Dec issue was in the mail for almost 2 months !!! When did any one
else get there Nov/Dec issue of AM , or is the post office just slacking
again. Inquiring minds would like to know. thanks , LRDaum
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:42:56 -0500
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] 77-80 AMX Flairs
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <17730-45A58810-918@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
These rubbler
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:45:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: Emission Maintenance Timers
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701101641280.5523@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Eddie Stakes wrote:
> Anyone ever heard of these boogers and if so, can you
> give them a idea on where to find one,
What's wrong with a junkyard?
The part is amusing; it seems to be a common fuze for bombs also.
Tourists (I think that's how it's currently spelled) use them.
It's basically a chemical device, like a tube with metal and
an electrolyte, that moves metal from one end to the other by
passin current through it; like a little electroplating thing,
or the opposite of a battery.
"Elapsed time" meters for things like xerox copiers use 'em;
for that app they look like a little mercury thermometer.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:49:49 +0000
From: "johnny kazek" <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1959 Rambler radiator
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY134-F1675D483DC0574FEEBD32BA5B10@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"
The radiator I put in my 60 Rambler Wagon with non-aluminum (I think)
196 from Summit is part # SUM-380425. Link to their online site
should be :
[1]http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%
2D380425&N=700+115&autoview=sku
Disclaimer: I am a guerilla mechanic, with limited skills and
resources. Someone with welding skills (I unfortunately have 'JB
Weld Skills') and the right tools could do a neater job, but this is
solid so far and the radiator doesn't budge.
Drilled through top of rad and put two bolts to "spot it" after making
sure level and in correct position.
[2]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/johnnyzoom/rada.jpg
Used brackets from chain hardware store, with same bolts from above,
because they cleared existing holes next to orginal mount spots.
Smaller bracket could be modified to use orignal mount location (and
could be welded to the radiator).
[3]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/johnnyzoom/radb.jpg
Other than the fabrication, the inlet size didn't match with the stock
hose, sorry can't remember difference, but it required a hose
with diameter the next size down at the radiator.
Hope this is helpful.
-- Johnny
_________________________________________________________________
[4]The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the
scoop.
References
1. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D380425&N=700+115&autoview=sku
2. http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/johnnyzoom/rada.jpg
3. http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/johnnyzoom/radb.jpg
4. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2740??PS=47575
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:52:10 -0500
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] One More Time, Pushed the wrong button-- 77-80 AMX
Flairs
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <17732-45A58A3A-332@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
Clamp them to the body and use a heat gun to get them back into shape
and let them cool. Use out door double stick carpet tape to hold them to
the body where the factory did. I am restoring a set of 77's to use on
my orange 74 Hornet.
"Doc"
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:31:07 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re; Crossover heat
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000c01c73528$901381f0$1edd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Jim
Snip
I'm slowly, as money allows, putting together the parts for a "hot"
engine.
I've been looking at the Edelbrock heads, but am confused as to which
version is appropriate.
They come with or without the heat crossover.
I have a choice of intakes gathered already: R4B, Torker, Offy 2x4
Anyway, what do ya think?
Jim Boone
Snip
As long as you have asked for opinions here is mine.
Jock is probably the most qualified person to answer this question with
his extensive
back ground and experience.
However,
My choice for the intake manifold is the Edelbrock Air Gap manifold, I
have run one a
few years now and I am completely satisfied with it. Having stated that,
the air gap
manifold does not have any exhaust cross over provisions the head choice
is automatic.
The one with out the cross over passages.
While I agree carburetor icing can be a problem when you least expect
it, the last time
I had that problem was on a 1960 Ford I-6 pick up in the middle 70's
when I lived near
Rochester N.Y. and then it was only one winter. It looked really funny
to see the
accelerator linkage enter a snow ball under the air cleaner.
For more than a few years now I live where the temperature gets into
triple digits along
about March and drops out some time in October. It very rarely gets
below 50 here during
the winter. I do not have a problem with engine warming up, drivability
or anything else
related to cold weather driving. Also the carburetor does not get
excessively warm and
lean out like it did with a non-air gap or stock cast iron manifold.
Carburetor tuning on
using the Edelbrock air gap manifold is no different that tuning on a
stock manifold.
I am using the parts on a 1970 390 cu in engine in a Mark Donohue.
In any case that is my experience and preference.
Pays your moneys and takes your chances, but have fun.
John.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:36:26 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re; tape for 77-80 AMX flairs?
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <001101c73529$4de8eb70$1edd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
When I was working on the 1980 AMX I used the following product.
3M Scotch-Mount Double-Coated Acrylic Foam Tape (Gray/.045 in thick)
Part No. 051131-06384
To date, there has not been any problem with the flairs.
John.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:06:18 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 17" Alloys - 'doin that Bling tang'
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <45A5716A.22469.2A21928@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
The mustangs on the martz Chassis site are good examples off the too
small
sidewalls on a muscle car! Thats the first thing I saw when I looked
their
"touring" cars! Too each his own, but they would look better with
some
rubber showing!
I would not go larger than 16" on most anything, Maybe 17-18" on
trucks
with larger tires. Most cars no way!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
<>
Anyone with less than a 60 series tyre on their ride is
invited to sample NYs fine array of pot holes - pavement patches -
and bone jarring tarmac resections.
I've thought of those Explorer 17" rims as they look 'dirty bird' on
any EAGLE - and........ I'll pick me up a set along the way - just
for the 'Bling' of it........ but as for daily fare >
I think back to when I put oversize on Mom's Broughm
d'Elegance Cadillac one year - and the huge gyroscopic effects
coming thru the frame & steering gear - and all that extra weight.
Did I tell you,....... I scored 6 '84-'88 AMC factory Eagle Alloy
'5 slot' wheels for $120.00 - with centers ;)
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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