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Today's Topics:
1. [AMC-List]
http://www.carbodyparts.net/american_motors-body_kits.html
(Brien Tourville)
2. wheelstanding AMC Spirit on Yahoo Vids (Brien Tourville)
3. PISTONS: cast or forged (Brien Tourville)
4. AMX question (dan whitehead)
5. 1959 Rambler radiator (Brien Tourville)
6. Re: Subject: Re: Shock opinions. (Keleigh Hardie)
7. Re: Subject: Re: Shock opinions. (Tom Jennings)
8. Re: Fw: Early amc six MODS wanted (Sandwich Maker)
9. Re: Fw: Early amc six MODS wanted (Mark Price)
10. 1959 Rambler radiator (johnny kazek)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:07:46 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List]
http://www.carbodyparts.net/american_motors-body_kits.html
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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1959 - 1962 American Motors American
WingdoorTM Suicide Doors Conversion Kit
1967 American Motors Rogue
WingdoorTM Lambo Doors Conversion Kit
1980 American Motors Eagle (6Cyl 4.2L)
WingdoorTM Lambo Doors Conversion Kit
http://tinyurl.com/y7wcfh
<>
OK Frank , here's your next 'Hot Mod' for your wagon !
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:14:56 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] wheelstanding AMC Spirit on Yahoo Vids
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=c860df3ccf66c83fb61bb2ffd934330b
.1311559&fr=yvmtf
<>
I know most of you have seen this - but it deserves
a second look - 437cu.in. AMC in a Spirit hatchback -
doing 'wheelies'... he "drives" this thing like a frog
on boot stearoids >
well......... back to Magnum P.I. .... sanford & sons
isn't on yet ;)
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:10:58 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] PISTONS: cast or forged
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LIFTED OFF THE STROKERS LIST:
Re: blower/stroker cast or forged?
Posted by: "Harrel" harrel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ? pontiacgto71270
Sat Jan?6,?2007 2:34?pm (PST)
7 pounds of boost is OK with a good cast pistons IF NO DETONATION
OCCURS! Also be sure to use a good ductile iron top ring.
>From my engine building experience, audible piston slap will begin
to occur in moderate to long stroke engines once the skirt clearance
is in excess of .006". However, not all forged pistons require that
much skirt clearance. If you look at a custom piston, such as a
Venolia, it will have holes drilled in the oil ring groove, just
above the skirt, and will require a good deal of clearance for
expansion. If a piston has long slots cut into the oil ring grooves
above the skirts instead of holes, that piston has 'thermally
isolated' skirts, and clearance is nearly constant as temperature
fluctuates. However, the slots weaken the piston considerably, so
metal reinforcement is added in a cast piston, which does add more
weight. Most OEM replacement forged pistons have slots and no
metal. They have much more resilient skirts than cast pistons and
can stand extreme loads while running tight clearances. My first
455 race motor was bored to 4.21" and had TRW pistons (slotted), and
I spun it to 6000 rpm with .0015" skirt clearance. Of course the
bore has to be perfectly true in those conditions. The block was
honed with fine stones on a CK-10 and had mirror-finish cylinders.
I hope to be assembling my stroker next week and since it did not
need boring, I will not be putting any type of honing device in the
cylinders. I will use a very fine Scotch Brite pad and lightly
scuff only the very top 2 inches of the cylinders. No use having a
rough cylinder where the rings will never travel. The roughness
will only scratch the skirts from high thrust loads when changing
direction!
--- In strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Fred Rupert <canook2u@...> wrote:
I just wanted to add my $.02.
I've run Venolia forged in my stroked Ram-50, (w/ 4.11"
stroke), and have NEVER had
the piston slap everyone talks about.
I don't know the tolerance, but the pistons look to be a very
tight fit.
Since I'm running .100" overbore, I added an oversize
radiator/ HD flex fan, and oil
cooler w/ remote filter, it can take forever to warm up, but
does not slap.
Also, I only paid about $60.00 for each slug.
Just thought I'd mention it, since most people who install
blowers typically continue their
search for more power, which is easily obtained by more
boost. . .
Fred
> Dino Savva <dinosavva_no1@...> wrote:
Go for hypereutectic pistons. Speed Pro and Silvolite
supply hypereutectic
pistons for the 4.0 and they cost about $130 for a set of 6.
Hypereutectics
will have no problem handling 7psi and since they don't expand as
much as
forged pistons, you can run a tighter piston to bore clearance and
avoid
cold start piston slap.
> Dino
>
From: "Rich Perry" <rikhard@...>
Reply-To: strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [strokers] blower/stroker cast or forged?
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:18:41 -0000
> Hello,
Do I need forged pistons and rods for my 7psi blower / stroker
build?
Is there some kind of compromise that will avoid piston slap yet
handle
the blower and longer stroke? I was thinking of Dino's low
compression
krawler
but with the add blower. I like the cost of cast, not sure if I
need
all the strength of forged. What to do?
__________________
ain't 'Tech' grand ?
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:11:04 +0000
From: "dan whitehead" <freebird_58@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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First, just got my new Car Craft mag and they must really like the burnout
Bryon's son was doing because they ran the pic again. Always like seeing an
AMC in the mags.
Now I would like some help with something I found on the AMX. On the inner
rocker panel, just behind the leaf spring mount and in front of the wheel
house opening there was an extra piece of metal there. Was this correct or
did someone weld a piece on to cover some rust? I'm replacing the inner
rocker and part of the middle rocker so we're not sure if this is suppose to
be there. There is a small piece that was added by AMC where they rolled
over the inner wheel house lip for the torque link, and we thought maybe
this was something else they added for "support". Any info would help. You
can email me off list also
Thanks
Dan Whitehead
Brodhead, WI
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:30:08 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1959 Rambler radiator
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Date sent: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:02:20 -0600
From: <adbrothers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 1959 Rambler radiator
To: <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx> <wtf>
I'm looking for a new or good used radiator for our Rambler Custom
196 OHV engine. Would radiators from later years of the same model
also fit?
Thanks.
Doug Brothers
<wtf>
?
...think I should sell him on a 'hair-dryer' for his '59 ?
anyone replies - send a copy to his eAddress too, as I
don't know how he came to ask me about this.......
flattered, yet baffel'd ;)
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:14:54 -0700
From: Keleigh Hardie <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Subject: Re: Shock opinions.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <45A1389E.7000605@xxxxxxxxx>
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Some things never go out of style. I still wear an onion on my belt...
Keleigh
amc-list-request@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:47:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shock opinions.
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701061244140.16687@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Jim Blair wrote:
>
>
>> A: If you offroad, Edelbrock IAS (They are what I want for my J10 when it's
>> finished, but I get a discount on Monroe Regal Ride from work that equals the
>> cost of one IAS to a set of 4 RRs)
>>
>
> Yeah, that would be a clincher for me :-)
>
>
> Let's face it too, the older Ramblers without even anti-roll
> bars, stiff shocks just sorta scare 'em. Long travel with
> soft springs, as was the fashion of the time (to quote Grandpa
> Simpson) like soft squishy shocks. I think stiff shocks on my
> '63 Classic would be most unpleasant! 300+ lbs of unsprung
> weigt in rear, well, tall high-profile tires, that's' a lot of
> impulse integration right there!
>
> Rambler gets Monroes and likes it :-)
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:15:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Subject: Re: Shock opinions.
To: Keleigh Hardie <keleigh3000@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701071415150.16687@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007, Keleigh Hardie wrote:
> Some things never go out of style. I still wear an onion on my belt...
Onions! I remember those days!
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:05:04 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: Early amc six MODS wanted
To: jayson_738@xxxxxxxxxxx, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701080005.l08054B17072@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" ----- Original Message -----
" From: jayson_738@xxxxxxxxxxx
"
"
" Can you point me in the right direction? I have a 1969 Rambler w/ a
" 199ci I have done a lot of performance mods to this engine. The
" problem I am having is with the trans its a Borg Warner auto piece of
" crap. What I would like to do is turn the car into a man trans. The
" problem with that is the pre-71 engine has limited options for trans
" that mate with the bell-housing unlike the 72-up. Any suggestions or
" can you send me in the right direction? Any help would be greatly
" appreciated.
the bw30 series isn't all that bad if you can find someone who really
knows transmissions and not just a cookbook wrench-turner. it and
derivatives were used by companies like jaguar and bmw well up into
the '80s. aussies beef them and use them behind modified small v8s; i
have some notes... everything except maybe the valve body should be
available here.
for the stick, the best stock setup is the t14 3sp used behind 232s
and 258s, and occasionally 2bbl 290s and 304s, '68-'76. it bolts
right up in place of the t96, but it's ~2" shorter overall.
some years ago i noodled up an adapter plate that would mount a
mustang 3.8 ['93-5?] t5 to the pre-'72 bell. my chain of logic is a
little torturous, but these t5s have a longish input shaft and i came
to the comclusion that it's ~5/8" longer than the t96/t14 one. aha
says i, that's just enough for a plate... i haven't actually made one
though, but i can relate the idea as i have it if you're interested.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 16:15:45 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: Early amc six MODS wanted
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx, jayson_738@xxxxxxxxxxx
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I also think any of the 93-95 Mustang T-5's would be good choices for swaps as they have the longer input to allow room for an adapter. Add an S-10 tailhousing if you want to keep the bench seat
For a beefier automatic the only choice I know of is to get the aluminum Borg from behind a 70-71ish 290 and swap the bell and convertor. I've heard this works, never done it or seen it done. Yo still need ot find a good trans shop to do the work or an old timer. Volvo dealers are the best bet if you can get one of their guys to moonlight you a build.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " ----- Original Message -----
> " From: jayson_738@xxxxxxxxxxx
> "
> "
> " Can you point me in the right direction? I have a 1969 Rambler w/ a
> " 199ci I have done a lot of performance mods to this engine. The
> " problem I am having is with the trans its a Borg Warner auto piece of
> " crap. What I would like to do is turn the car into a man trans. The
> " problem with that is the pre-71 engine has limited options for trans
> " that mate with the bell-housing unlike the 72-up. Any suggestions or
> " can you send me in the right direction? Any help would be greatly
> " appreciated.
>
> the bw30 series isn't all that bad if you can find someone who really
> knows transmissions and not just a cookbook wrench-turner. it and
> derivatives were used by companies like jaguar and bmw well up into
> the '80s. aussies beef them and use them behind modified small v8s; i
> have some notes... everything except maybe the valve body should be
> available here.
>
> for the stick, the best stock setup is the t14 3sp used behind 232s
> and 258s, and occasionally 2bbl 290s and 304s, '68-'76. it bolts
> right up in place of the t96, but it's ~2" shorter overall.
>
> some years ago i noodled up an adapter plate that would mount a
> mustang 3.8 ['93-5?] t5 to the pre-'72 bell. my chain of logic is a
> little torturous, but these t5s have a longish input shaft and i came
> to the comclusion that it's ~5/8" longer than the t96/t14 one. aha
> says i, that's just enough for a plate... i haven't actually made one
> though, but i can relate the idea as i have it if you're interested.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:11:13 +0000
From: "johnny kazek" <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1959 Rambler radiator
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I recently replaced the radiator in my 1960 Wagon w/196 with a two row
aluminum from Summit Racing, cost about $160+ shipping. Measured
available area and checked for correct size in/outlets, if anyone can tell
if 59 and 60 are compatable I can send you info on mine, happy with it so
far. Here's couple pics:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/johnnyzoom/rambgrill.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/johnnyzoom/rambcompartment2.jpg
Took a little fabrication to get in there, but not bad at all.
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