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Today's Topics:
1. Gremlin X new stripe kit for sale (Eddie Stakes)
2. 70 Javelin wanted & 76 Hornet 10.6K for sale (Eddie Stakes)
3. 68 Javelin shell for sale (Eddie Stakes)
4. 69 Rebel parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
5. 70 NOS AMX & Javelin fender for sale (Eddie Stakes)
6. Re: 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ?? (Sandwich Maker)
7. Re: 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ?? (Spro)
8. I resisted the urge... (Jim Boone)
9. Re: Cherokee diesel? (Jeff Reeves)
10. Re: Cherokee diesel? (Sandwich Maker)
11. Hot Rodding is dead (Jamie Smith)
12. Re: 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ?? (Sandwich Maker)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:18:01 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Gremlin X new stripe kit for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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71-72 Gremlin X black stripe kit by phoenix graphics. New in the box. 125.00
My car is black so it won't go with my car. Located in CT. Call Davis
860-997-2732 cell
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anyone interested in the stripe kit give them a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:19:58 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 70 Javelin wanted & 76 Hornet 10.6K for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: mitch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Looking for a 1970 javelin ,in good shape,it doesen't have to have a drive
train or a title.I also have a nice 2dr 1976 hornet 232 for sale.this car
has 10,600 miles on it $3,200.00 Thanks Mitch mitch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Ph
419-320-2583 zip 43619
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anyone with a 70 Javelin for sale or interested in the low miler Hornet give
them a shout above thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:20:49 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 68 Javelin shell for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: MPARKSMCE@xxxxxxx
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Hey Guys,I have a 68 Javelin that was my parts car, when I got it torn down,
i was amazed it has perfect floors. rockers, and trunk pan. All the
structure on this car is amazing. I was gonna cut the hump out out and crush
it, but just can't bring myself to do it. It's a bare stripped shell, floors
are perfect, trunk pan is very very very good, all the structure under the
hood is awesome. It's a stripped shell and is a roller. If no one wants
whats left of it as a whole, i will slice and dice it, thanks.
mparksmce@xxxxxxx 317-945-2568 days
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anyone interested in the Javelin shell quickly get ahold of seller above,
thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:21:38 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 69 Rebel parts wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: petarm1@xxxxxxxxx
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desperatly seeking left rear taillight assembly for a 1969 rebel sst,also
need crhome trim for around the grill and headlight assembly(both sides)
hope someone out there can help. petarm1@xxxxxxxxx 780 513 1412 grande
prairie alberta canada.thanks
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anyone that can help out with the Rebel parts give them a shout above,
thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:18:52 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 70 NOS AMX & Javelin fender for sale
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: pnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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for sale NOS 70 amx/jav. right front fender. still in factory black
primer.located in south east MI. pnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxx 419-350-6429
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anyone interested in the NOS fender give them a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:18:31 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ??
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701022318.l02NIVd09733@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
"
" A lot of factory parts? How do you figure that? Doesn't the CJ T-18 use the same crossmember and already has the correct input shaft? The only things that pop into my head that you'd probably have to chase down are driveshafts and maybe the trans tunnel cover. Are you thinking of a T-18 from a full-size Jeep? In that case I would agree with you due to the long input shaft.
dunno if it shares crossmember; it'd be logical but amc didn't always
do the logical thing... yes, afaik the late '70s cj t-18 has a ford
bolt pattern and input like the t150, but you do have to relocate the
crossmember and t/c as well as swap driveshafts because of the t-18's
greater length. the aa np435 kit was engineered to be a straight
drop-in for the t150.
" As for the np540, its probably a good setup based on the gear ratios and its about 40lbs ligther than the Clarks, but I still don't think many Jeepers are going to go running after a manual trans that weighs 160lbs by itself.
doesn't the t-18 weigh in this range? and [silly me] i assumed that
if the 435 and 540 were variations on a theme they'd have similar
weights. surely the np435 kit would never have gotten off the ground
if the tranny were outlandishly heavy?
" I can see it as more justifiable in a full-size Jeep, but if you're going to have the extra length on hand anyway, I think most people that have the real estate in their rig may opt for more modern, synchronized hardware with a bigger aftermarket like the NV4500.
but the whole point of the aa kit, and my question of usability in the
np540, was that it takes no more room than the t150 - a drop-in
upgrade for the cj.
" The other issue is transfer case compatibility. Unless you're running a divorced transfer case, this could be a bigger headache than mating it to the engine.
again, the aa kit was engineered to be a drop-in. the mainshaft has
dana 20 splines and the new extension case - t/c adapter has the dana
20 bolt pattern.
" And if you're building your rig for low-gear action, do you really intend for it to see enough highway that you need an OD? YMMV...
but the 4 synchro gears add up to good on-road driving [comparable to
the close ratio t-18] and the extra-deep granny means good crawl with
axle gears that aren't quite so steep.
" I'm running 1-ton gear under my CJ-8 and the current drivetrain is a wide T-18 mated to a 1980 Scout Dana 300. The wide T-19 would be nice, but I might consider one of the big 5-speeds if there was a decent transfercase to be used. Its already going to be heavy with the V8 and D60/D70 + armor, winch, etc. I'll just leave the little lady at home and then the trans would only "weigh" 50lbs. Lol...
you're already more extreme than the aa np435 target market, i think.
how about a ford super duty nv271 tc?
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:56:36 -0500
From: "Spro" <msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ??
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <001e01c72ec9$a38dc570$6401a8c0@deathstar>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Okay, keep track of the "'s. Lol...
-----Original Message-----
From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandwich Maker
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ??
" From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
"
" A lot of factory parts? How do you figure that? Doesn't the CJ T-18 use the same crossmember and
already has the correct input shaft? The only things that pop into my head that you'd probably have
to chase down are driveshafts and maybe the trans tunnel cover. Are you thinking of a T-18 from a
full-size Jeep? In that case I would agree with you due to the long input shaft.
""dunno if it shares crossmember; it'd be logical but amc didn't always
do the logical thing... yes, afaik the late '70s cj t-18 has a ford
bolt pattern and input like the t150, but you do have to relocate the
crossmember and t/c as well as swap driveshafts because of the t-18's
greater length. the aa np435 kit was engineered to be a straight
drop-in for the t150.
I believe they share the crossmember and the mount on the transfer case simply drops into a
different set of holes. The "relocation" of the transfer case you mentioned is the different tunnel
cover (and boot) that I mentioned. I think all you'd really be into is 2 driveshafts and a tunnel
cover.
" As for the np540, its probably a good setup based on the gear ratios and its about 40lbs ligther
than the Clarks, but I still don't think many Jeepers are going to go running after a manual trans
that weighs 160lbs by itself.
""doesn't the t-18 weigh in this range? and [silly me] i assumed that
if the 435 and 540 were variations on a theme they'd have similar
weights. surely the np435 kit would never have gotten off the ground
if the tranny were outlandishly heavy?
I looked it up on Novak's Knowledge Base and they say a T-18 is 145 lbs. I guess I'm not a good
judge of weight, as they didn't seem that heavy to me when moving them around the garage.
" I can see it as more justifiable in a full-size Jeep, but if you're going to have the extra length
on hand anyway, I think most people that have the real estate in their rig may opt for more modern,
synchronized hardware with a bigger aftermarket like the NV4500.
but the whole point of the aa kit, and my question of usability in the
np540, was that it takes no more room than the t150 - a drop-in
upgrade for the cj.
" The other issue is transfer case compatibility. Unless you're running a divorced transfer case,
this could be a bigger headache than mating it to the engine.
""again, the aa kit was engineered to be a drop-in. the mainshaft has
dana 20 splines and the new extension case - t/c adapter has the dana
20 bolt pattern.
I've been trying to Google more info about it and seem to have found a couple diesel enthusiast
sites that talk more about the np540. Its seeming to sound more practical so far. They say the
input shaft is the weak point.
" And if you're building your rig for low-gear action, do you really intend for it to see enough
highway that you need an OD? YMMV...
""but the 4 synchro gears add up to good on-road driving [comparable to
the close ratio t-18] and the extra-deep granny means good crawl with
axle gears that aren't quite so steep.
Yes, it can help you to avoid having to re-gear the axles. This is actually a main point I make to
CJ owners that are considering ditching their entire AMC drivetrain (gasp!) in favor of some SBC
backed buy a SM465/205 or whatever. Once they know there's a better way that won't cause them to
disturb their motor, they go for it. I just can't picture people who do the "crawling" type of
wheeling driving on the highway with their "crawling" tires. I mean, my 85 CJ-7 is still sporting
the T-5, but I don't take the TSL Boggers out on the Interstate just because I have an OD...
" I'm running 1-ton gear under my CJ-8 and the current drivetrain is a wide T-18 mated to a 1980
Scout Dana 300. The wide T-19 would be nice, but I might consider one of the big 5-speeds if there
was a decent transfercase to be used. Its already going to be heavy with the V8 and D60/D70 +
armor, winch, etc. I'll just leave the little lady at home and then the trans would only "weigh"
50lbs. Lol...
""you're already more extreme than the aa np435 target market, i think. how about a ford super duty
nv271 tc?
I'm already looking into the Dodge nv271 for my Ram:
http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=9846
Its certainly not as extreme as a lot of trucks out there, but its rapidly departing from its
tow-rig role. Rumor has it on DiRT that the 271 is a direct swap for the 241HD I currently have,
for which there is no SYE kit. Apparently someone on pavementsucks.com did it already. I believe
the 241 carries the same old NP pattern as a lot of other transmissions, such as the Dana 300. Now
I'm thinking AMC V8/tf727/nv271...
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:10:28 -0500
From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] I resisted the urge...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY116-F34B3231C9874D7C27E828FACB90@xxxxxxx>
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I just got back from a 4 day trip to Michigan. I was driving through
Michigan Center and saw a ~'64 2 dr Classic for sale sitting in a driveway.
It had writing on the windshield and was obviously for sale. All the
thoughts came to me, how I could get it, leave it at my Grandma's house, use
it when I got there, "ease" the info to my wife about yet another AMC, then
I just drove on to where I was going (after circling by 3 times!).
So, if anyone is close to the area, I'll let you know where it is if
interested. Didn't look rusty from the road, driver's rear tire was flat,
might've been dinged abit on the front passenger side - that was next to the
house - but the grill didn't look right on that side. Not bad overall from
my view, but didn't closely inspect and don't know price. If mapquested,
look at Michigan Center, on Napoleon Rd near where 9th st or ave intersects,
maybe a little more outta town than that. Should be easy to find.
Jim Boone
Mims, FL
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:34:31 -0500
From: "Jeff Reeves" <amcnut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Cherokee diesel?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <001901c72ece$f01a3ae0$c8509a04@amcnut9v1sl959>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Just a few weeks ago, I saw either a 95 or 96 model Cherokee diesel for sale on Ebay in the "parts car" category that had been wrecked. . It was an export model with a 2.5 diesel of some sort, but it was a factory-built diesel. It was in Maryland.
And, don't forget the diesel Cherokees that were available 84-86 (miserable as they likely were).
Jeff Reeves
Auburn GA
94 Cherokee
79 Spirit
84 Eagle wagon
72 Javelin SST
69 Ambassador DPL
<snip>
i've been thinking about dieselizing a cherokee. for them, toyota is
a natural choice as they both used similar aisin-warner trannies; i
narrowed it down to a 2L-TE with a stick for my approach, but volvo
also used the aw auto and when they dropped the vw diesel and started
making their own they put them together for at least a few years. bad
news: volvo doesn't sell diesel cars here. also, the mill is a -5-.
good news: volvo marine does sell the engine here, and it's powerful -
160 and 190 hp from a 2.4L! that still leaves you scratching for the
flexplate etc unless you can find a helpful parts person, but it's a
big step forward.
toyota diesels - and most japanese engines - are available pretty
reasonably as low mileage used pulls from japan.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:18:26 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Cherokee diesel?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701030418.l034IQi11691@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jeff Reeves" <amcnut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Just a few weeks ago, I saw either a 95 or 96 model Cherokee diesel for sale on Ebay in the "parts car" category that had been wrecked. . It was an export model with a 2.5 diesel of some sort, but it was a factory-built diesel. It was in Maryland.
i wouldn't mind having one, though as a semi-orphan it'd probably be a
service nightmare.
that mill's an italian vm iirc, handled in this country by penske
detroit diesel. i have a strange feeling it's a 5 cylinder but i
don't know why, nor what trannies it was matched with.
i -think- this is the same engine used in the recent diesel libertys.
" And, don't forget the diesel Cherokees that were available 84-86 (miserable as they likely were).
maybe '87 too, i'm not sure.
2.1L renault engines, don't recall if they were turboed. they used
the same ax-5 stick as gas fours making a toyota re-engine even more
of a drop-kick.
a formerly-renault diesel has been for sale up around here, with the
seller proudly stating it now has an olds 4.3 diesel under the hood.
quite an achievement but not a great idea...
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:38:05 -0800
From: "Jamie Smith" <oconner51@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Hot Rodding is dead
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV833F748A5DD071BE60AD7BFB90@xxxxxxx>
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This was posted on a group I am with. Thought some of you might find it interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU3N9wT3u0<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU3N9wT3u0>
I've added a new vehicle to the flock. I have just acquired a 1985 Jeep Cherokee Pioneer. I got it to use as parts for the Comanche but it is in such good condition I am not sure I want to part it out so I may just put a motor in it and keep it.
James Smith
Spokane, WA
1966 Rambler American 220 Station Wagon
1966 Rambler Classic 770 Two Door Hardtop (for sale)
1977 GMC Sierra 3/4 Ton Pickup (for sale)
1978 GMC 3+3 3/4 Ton Crew Cab (pending)
1984 AMC Eagle Limited Station Wagon
1985 Jeep Cherokee Pioneer
1986 AMC Eagle Station Wagon
1986 Jeep Comanche
1991 Dodge Grand Caravan (parts)
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:41:11 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 79 CJ7 Transmission ID ??
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200701030441.l034fBK11814@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Spro" <msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Okay, keep track of the "'s. Lol...
"
"
" -----Original Message-----
" From: Sandwich Maker
"
" " From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
" "
" ""again, the aa kit was engineered to be a drop-in. the mainshaft has
" dana 20 splines and the new extension case - t/c adapter has the dana
" 20 bolt pattern.
"
" I've been trying to Google more info about it and seem to have found a
" couple diesel enthusiast sites that talk more about the np540. Its
" seeming to sound more practical so far. They say the input shaft is
" the weak point.
that would be natural, depending on which diesels. afaik it was
intended for medium-duty -gas- engines, 400 ft-lbs and under. on most
trannies the output shaft goes first though.
" ""how about a ford super duty nv271 tc?
"
" I'm already looking into the Dodge nv271 for my Ram:
" http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=9846
"
" Its certainly not as extreme as a lot of trucks out there, but its
" rapidly departing from its tow-rig role. Rumor has it on DiRT that the
" 271 is a direct swap for the 241HD I currently have, for which there is
" no SYE kit. Apparently someone on pavementsucks.com did it already. I
" believe the 241 carries the same old NP pattern as a lot of other
" transmissions, such as the Dana 300. Now I'm thinking AMC
" V8/tf727/nv271...
hmmm... afaik all np/nvg t/c since the 207 have the same 6-bolt
pattern and -most- have 23 spline inputs, but a few are 21 spline and
the top end [like the 271] have 29. what tranny did they hook it to?
i don't think there's a 29-apline output for the 727, though aa or
novak might have something.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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