AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 30
[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 30
- From: amc-list-request@xxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:32:11 +0000
Send AMC-List mailing list submissions to
amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx
You can reach the person managing the list at
amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of AMC-List digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. AMC: LITERATURE: Lucky Lee Lott (Archimedes)
2. Re: carb rebuidl help (Sandwich Maker)
3. Two AMC'sCragslist Portland. AMX & American Coup for Cheap
(RetroRalph)
4. Re: gremlin sundowner sighting- So Cal. (Ken Siroonian)
5. Re: carb rebuidl help (Ken Siroonian)
6. Re: Looking for an SX/4 (NOT an SX-4!!!)
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
7. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six (E-stick
clutch) (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
8. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six (short
water pump) (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
9. Re: Thinking about Cruise Control
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
10. Re: Thinking about Cruise Control
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
11. Re: Thinking about Cruise Control (Glen Hoag)
12. gremlin sighting South Caralina (Widiker, John D)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:10:37 -0500
From: Archimedes <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC: LITERATURE: Lucky Lee Lott
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20041227073219.00b3f650@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
If anyone needs a Christmas present for that hard-to-please AMC enthusiast
on your list, consider sending him or her a book about a Rambler guy from
way back: "Lucky" Lee Lott.
http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpidEQ2898785AMPdomain_idEQ1856AMPmeta_idEQ1
If that link doesn't work, try:
http://tinyurl.com/48xrq
Interestingly, there is one website that says the book stretches the truth
a bit:
http://stuntdriver.com/achrives33.html
"23: Lucky Lee Lott, tried to make his book look like that it was all Lee's
stunts. If you will look close you will see where Lee marked out Lucky
Teter and wrote his name in. Lucky Neil Lott was greater than his brother Lee."
-- Marc Montoni
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:40:17 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] carb rebuidl help
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612121740.kBCHeHF01880@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
"
" wondering if anyone has a tip on rebuidling a 1 BBL YF CARB FOR A 76
" PACER. I rebuilt it about 6 months ago due to engine flooding,
" overloading with fuel, black soot out of the exhaust, engine oil was
" getting black fast and oil level higher due to the fuel. I rebuilt it
" with a new float the black fiber float- just in case. the old one I
" tested was fine anyway.
just noodling - i wonder if the plastic float is happy with gasohol?
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:58:07 -0800
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Two AMC'sCragslist Portland. AMX & American Coup
for Cheap
To: "AMC-List" <AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: CAMX-Earl Bell <amxoutlw@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Rambler-Mac McCoy
<ramblers@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, CAMX-Al Gaines <algaines@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
CAMX-Wayne Weller <wsw@xxxxxxx>, Ralph Ausmann
<ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxxxx>, CAMX-Gretchen Bryan
<bgbryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, CAMX-Nowell/Tracy Brill <nowell@xxxxxxx>,
CAMX-D&B Hoops <daniel.hoops@xxxxxxxxxxx>, CAMX-Dave Carter
<drcarter2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, CAMX-Russ Hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>,
CAMX-Bobby Kiehl <bigkiehler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <001301c71e27$d86c1bf0$6400a8c0@ralphs1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original
Todays Bargain AMcA friend sent me these leads. Same seller on both, he
thinks. These look like "keeper" AMC's and good choices for restoring.
Need closer look but not much risk here. Click on the links below for more
contact info.
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/pts/247860811.html 67 Rambler American
it looks like 2 door hdtop $300. no engine... picture looks pretty good,
some rust in usual...
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/pts/247849348.html is a pretty decent
looking buy on a 68 AMX. A 2-seater for $800.
Contact the seller, not me.
______________________________________________________________
Ralph Ausmann - Hillsboro, OR
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:12:14 -0500
From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] gremlin sundowner sighting- So Cal.
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<ADVANCES62utSgcOrBL000000ec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
thats great that you know of him and that he ws the original owner.
On December 12, 2006 Keleigh Hardie wrote:
> That car belongs to Charlie, a guide for one of the island interior
tour bus
> companies. He's owned it since it was new. (I met him on one of the
planning
> trips for my wedding in Avalon last summer)...
>
> Keleigh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <amc-list-request@xxxxxxx>
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:12 AM
> Subject: AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 27
>
>
> <SNIP>
>
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:06:07 -0500
> > From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [AMC-List] gremlin sundowner sighting- So Cal.
> > To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Message-ID:
> > <ADVANCES62A1XvpFVjC00000032@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > I was on a business trip to so cal/laguna beach last week, and on
a
> > free day took the boat trip to Catlalina island with a colleague.
took
> > a tour around the island and then did some walking, only to do a
double
> > take and see a 2 tone gold/tan 1977 Gremlin "sundowner" parked on
a
> > side street. It had the sundowner decal on the C pillar.
> >
> > =============================================================
> > Posted by wixList Archiver -- http://www.amxfiles.com/wixlist
=============================================================
Posted by wixList Archiver -- http://www.amxfiles.com/wixlist
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:26:36 -0500
From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] carb rebuidl help
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<ADVANCES62xpTljBOh8000000f1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
thanks tom and froank for your comments, i bought another carb kit and
will give it another go. I thought I cleaned the last one very well,
just can not figure why it overloads with gas. The fuel pump is the
original with the car, and i did not know it could over pump in the
carb. maybe I shoudl just change it. anyway, the float was new too and
is buoyant and not absorbing fuel. the filter is new. you can not test
the needle and seat with the carb with the top off as the needle seat
and float are attached to the top with a small pin. the choke opens
fine and even when I hold it fully open, the car runs like dog meat,
and the the tpipe blows lots of black soot. I can even see some fuel
that comes out the bottom of the carb. onto the base area.
any more ideas please let me know, i will work on these, regards, ken.
On December 12, 2006 Tom Jennings wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Ken Siroonian wrote:
>
> > wondering if anyone has a tip on rebuidling a 1 BBL YF CARB FOR A
76
> > PACER. I rebuilt it about 6 months ago due to engine flooding,
> > overloading with fuel, black soot out of the exhaust, engine oil
was
> > getting black fast and oil level higher due to the fuel. I rebuilt
it
> > with a new float the black fiber float- just in case. the old one
I
> > tested was fine anyway. now it is doing the same thing, albeit it
has
> > not been driven more than a few hundred miles in all that time.
she
> > uses it rarely, and the choke is coming off ok, but it just won't
run
> > right with all that fuel and the belches of black soot/smoke. any
ideas
> > what I may or may not be doing right. are the adjustments that
> > critical, I am following the amc spec book as well as the carb
rebuild
> > sheet, and the float level does not seem high or out of whack. I
have
> > not pulled the carb off the car yet, just the top. is there an
> > adjustment I can make on the car and try again before i rebuild it.
the
> > needle and seat looked ok, though I have only done these a few
times. i
> > adjusted the idle screw ok as well. does that affect more than just
the
> > park idle. any ideas will be apreciated. regards.
>
> Hmm... you have a stock fuel pump? Not an aftermarket or
> electric pump?
>
> And a good clean new quality fuel filter, plumbed before
> the carb?
>
> The choke is off or disconnected, for testing? Turn it 4 -
> 6 or more notches LEAN, the choke plate should be open. It
> would be unpleasant to drive it that way in cold weather,
> but it will help for testing.
>
> As a test, with the choke fully open, your foot OFF the throttle,
> cranking the engine, the carb should stay DRY. It probably
> won't start, but the carb should NOT get wet inside. If it
> does, you have somethin wrong in the carb, float stuck, sunk,
> dirt in the needle and seat, etc.
>
>
> Some crude but simple diagnostic tests:
>
> With car OFF! carb assembled and on car. Put clean hose on the
> carb fuel inlet, blow into it. If the car was cranked previously,
> the bowl should be full of gas and the needle and seat should
> be CLOSED. You should NOT be able to blow into it. If you can,
> or you hear even seeping of your breath into the carb, 3 -
> 4 psi of fuel will definitely push in there, flooding it.
>
> You can even more crudely test the needle and seat by taking the
> top off the carb, leaving the needle, set, float attached. Blow
> into the fuel inlet; with the top right side up, air should
> flow. Turn it upside down, it should stop. If it doesn't do that,
> fix it.
=============================================================
Posted by wixList Archiver -- http://www.amxfiles.com/wixlist
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:49:06 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Looking for an SX/4 (NOT an SX-4!!!)
To: <jackbarncord@xxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313D3C5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
AMC content: Doh! I'm lookin' at an SX4..... AMC number seven is in
the
wings.
--------------------------
My wife and I have been looking around on occasion at new cars, trying
to get a feel for what we might want when the kid graduates college (not
for her... for us!!). A friend recently bought a Suzuki Forenza, so we
went to test drive one. They have a new mini SUV looking car, AWD. Guess
what it's called -- SX-4!!! I did a double take when I saw it, and had
to mention the history of the name to the dealer.
Oh, nice pun there Jack! Talking about your brother being a pilot then
your next AMC is "in the wings"...
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:54:49 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six (E-stick clutch)
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313D3D6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I'd have to check the books to see what the E-stick clutch diameter was.
Could be the 10.5" disc (~11.5" circle) with larger bolts. All I recall
for sure is the E-stick used a larger disc and there was a larger bolt
pattern for the "pressure plate" housing. E-stick was available from
61-63, IIRC.
-----------------
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" The 196 used a small clutch... might be smaller than 9-1/8" though I
" doubt it. The larger pattern in the 196 flywheel I had was around 10"
to
" 10.5".
hmmm... that's a new one on me.
by '65, all 196s were using 9 1/8" clutches. that would be your
larger pattern; the bolts are 5/16" and iirc just clear a 10" disk, as
mopar used for the hd slant six.
the 10.5" pattern uses 3/8" bolts in about an 11.5" circle. all the
'64-'71 199/232/258 flywheels i've seen [not many] have these two
patterns.
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:56:52 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six (short water pump)
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313D3DC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Just a side note -- that short water pump was also used on 71+ CJ-5s, in
case someone is having trouble finding a short pump and pulley.
---------------------------
it should be the same; afaik all '65-'71 jeeps are just like all
'64-'71 amcs. there are no engine differences i know of, save the
very short water pump amc only used on the '65 american.
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:25:24 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Thinking about Cruise Control
To: <PIPER_PA20@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313D40D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I've run similar units way back when! The magnets are usually stick on,
but should also have some light wire to go around them. Clean the
driveshaft real good, and mount the pickup as close to the trans as
possible so the magnets don't move much. The Audiovox units are pretty
easy to install. There may be a tach signal you can connect instead of
the magnets. The aftermarket box I run on my car now uses a tach signal.
You can also use a cruise control pickup that screws between the speedo
cable and trans in place of the magnets (like a factory cruise). It has
the same function as the magnets. You can get those pickups at NAPA --
you want a four pulse per rotation pickup I believe, but an eight pulse
should work. The cruise control counts the pulses it's getting when you
push the set button then maintains that number of pulses.
I believe the Audiovox unit has the electronics built into the servo
like mine (not sure what brand mine is). The factory unit has a "brain
box" under the dash, so make sure you get all of it if you go that
route.
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:44:18 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Thinking about Cruise Control
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313D423@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Make that 96 and later EFI cars. Pre 96 you'll have to check. I know the
Jeeps used a separate box at least for the Renix system (87-90), and I'm
reasonably sure for the OBD1 HO system (91-95). I know for sure that
OBD2 has the cruise integrated into the ECU -- as well as the trans
controller.
Good call on the GM systems!! I mentioned in a previous post that the
speedo cable adapter can be used in place of the magnets.
I've used cruise on a stick shift. The danger is in not connecting the
brake switch. It can be dangerous if the brake switch doesn't work, or
if you push in the clutch without touching the brake first. Systems made
for stick shifts will have a clutch switch as well. If not, when you
push in the clutch with the cruise engaged, the cruise will rev the
engine to keep the speed up as you lose speed. It will keep revving
until the engine blows, but there may be a rev limiter (or rather speed
limiter) in the system. I didn't have a clutch switch, but had a toggle
switch where I could cut power in addition to the stalk mounted switch.
A momentary switch (normally opened, which means open when not
depressed) on the clutch pedal on the cruise power line would work, or
better connect in series with the brake switch (will cut off when either
pedal is depressed).
---------------
Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 04:03 PM
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Unless your in a hurry I would look for a GM based add on kit on
evilbay.
The magnetic kits do work well though.
Pulling cruise from any later model using the GM column will also
work as
long as it worked in the car it came from of course!
The main benefit you get from th efactory kit is not having the added
magnets
to deal with. You do have to change your speedo cable out to get factory
units
installed.
Don't get anything from an efi equipped vehicle or try to add cruise
to a
standard shift unless it is specific for standard shift! The EFI
vehicles
usually use the ecu to run the cruise, you don't want that and the
programming
of the standard shift units is different, plus the added clutch
dissengagement
switch. A friend put on in a stick car from an automatic. It did not
work right
at all and was downright dangerous!
--
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:16:58 -0600
From: Glen Hoag <hoag@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Thinking about Cruise Control
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <a0623092cc1a5c88a2e85@[192.168.123.144]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
The Heathkit/Dana system that I had used a brake switch, but had a
bead chain attached to the clutch pedal through a firewall mounted
guide, so that application of either pedal would release the speed
control. The brake switch had both an electrical contact and a
vacuum dump valve.
The switch was spring loaded and held engaged by the bead chain. For
automatic cars, the bead chain was fixed to the guide on the
firewall. For manuals, it passed through and was attached to the
clutch pedal.
--Glen
>Make that 96 and later EFI cars. Pre 96 you'll have to check. I know the
>Jeeps used a separate box at least for the Renix system (87-90), and I'm
>reasonably sure for the OBD1 HO system (91-95). I know for sure that
>OBD2 has the cruise integrated into the ECU -- as well as the trans
>controller.
>
>Good call on the GM systems!! I mentioned in a previous post that the
>speedo cable adapter can be used in place of the magnets.
>
>I've used cruise on a stick shift. The danger is in not connecting the
>brake switch. It can be dangerous if the brake switch doesn't work, or
>if you push in the clutch without touching the brake first. Systems made
>for stick shifts will have a clutch switch as well. If not, when you
>push in the clutch with the cruise engaged, the cruise will rev the
>engine to keep the speed up as you lose speed. It will keep revving
>until the engine blows, but there may be a rev limiter (or rather speed
>limiter) in the system. I didn't have a clutch switch, but had a toggle
>switch where I could cut power in addition to the stalk mounted switch.
>A momentary switch (normally opened, which means open when not
>depressed) on the clutch pedal on the cruise power line would work, or
>better connect in series with the brake switch (will cut off when either
>pedal is depressed).
>
>---------------
>Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 04:03 PM
>From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>Unless your in a hurry I would look for a GM based add on kit on
>evilbay.
>The magnetic kits do work well though.
> Pulling cruise from any later model using the GM column will also
>work as
>long as it worked in the car it came from of course!
> The main benefit you get from th efactory kit is not having the added
>magnets
>to deal with. You do have to change your speedo cable out to get factory
>units
>installed.
> Don't get anything from an efi equipped vehicle or try to add cruise
>to a
>standard shift unless it is specific for standard shift! The EFI
>vehicles
>usually use the ecu to run the cruise, you don't want that and the
>programming
>of the standard shift units is different, plus the added clutch
>dissengagement
>switch. A friend put on in a stick car from an automatic. It did not
>work right
>at all and was downright dangerous!
>--
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AMC-List mailing list
>AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
>or go to http://www.amc-list.com
--
Glen Hoag '75 Pacer 258 (x3)
hoag@xxxxxx '76 Pacer 258 (for parts)
Limestone County, Alabama '77 Pacer 258 (for kids)
'80 Pacer 258 DL wagon
'81 Concord DL 258
AMO #7895 AMCPC #471 '82 Spirit 151
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:30:38 -0500
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] gremlin sighting South Caralina
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<053E34168692C4438533FE33E79C1A1812341B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
My buddy and I went to Myrtle Beach a few weeks ago for a non amc show
that he hosts (wonderful event). As we were leaving the wrap up dinner
and walking into the parking lot I shouted "my people are here!!!!"
there was a 197? White gremlin X in the parking lot, it was really odd
to see it just sitting there. It was in pretty nice condition, had the
Levis interior, needed some paint and general freshening but it didn't
appear it would need much to get it into show condition. The guys I was
with are all "new" car people and had been going on and on about things
like "well in 95 they deleted the rear wiper" like it made the cars
totally different, and how the 200,000 production runs of their cars
make them hard to find. Getting a chance to spout off about AMC's was so
unbelievably fun. The big joke of the night became which is more likely,
seeing a gremlin X or having a guy with an AMC symbol tattooed on his
shoulder there to tell you more then you want to know about it. LOL
~John
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
AMC-List mailing list
AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
End of AMC-List Digest, Vol 11, Issue 30
****************************************
Back to the Home of the AMC Gremlin