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Today's Topics:
1. Door Twisting (Neil Shaw)
2. Re: Disc rear interchange/now Eagle Fender Flares (Mark Price)
3. Re: Disc rear interchange/now Eagle Fender Flares
(msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
4. another american success story (Tom Jennings)
5. Re: another american success story (Tom Jennings)
6. Re: Door Twisting (RetroRalph)
7. An interesting AMC encounter ( in a file ) while sorting
Dad's stuff... (Jerry Casper)
8. E-bay, RamblerRescue and more... (Richard Estermyer)
9. Re: Speed Channel's (Frank Swygert)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:02:23 -0600
From: "Neil Shaw" <n.shaw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Door Twisting
To: "The List \(E-mail\)" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Can a door that is not lining up at the latch end be twisted into alignment? The drivers door on the Javelin lines up good at the hinge end but is about 1/4" in at the top and 1/4" out at the bottom at the latch (rear) end of the door. (So if you line up the top edge correctly, the bottom is out 1/2".) All the other body panels line up well.
Thanks,
Neil Shaw
'72 Javelin SST
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:29:56 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Disc rear interchange/now Eagle Fender Flares
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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As an attachment to this, IIRC, The Late model Mustang Bullit wheels run 17X8" with a 5.75" Backspacing! That's why they are so popular for this swap, the backspacing allows wheelspacers to be used for fine tuning if needed. Not a big fan of spacers and they are illegal in many states and won't pass most safety inspections, but the billet ones seem to hold up fine in street duty.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Ah! But!
>
> Snip
> But, we are talking about an XJ rear diff and not an Eagle one into the
> Spirit. That narrow width may be for the SX4 and not the Eagle
> wagon/sedans.
> The flares were added (and required) to cover the tires from throwing
> stuff
> onto the vehicle behind them. Front suspension was lifted to make it 4x4
> because that was the closest they could get to the oil pan with a diff
> and
> have the axles level.
> Snip
>
> The tread widths I referred to were Concord Sedan to Eagle Sedan so one
> could make (hopefully) an apples to apples comparison. Thus suggesting
> that on the rear of the Eagle Sedan and the Rear of the Concord sedan
> there was no need for the flares if the object of them was to keep the
> tires from throwing road grunge onto the sides of the car or the car
> behind them. Much the same that a low rider does now with the extremely
> widely spaced wire wheels and the comically narrow rubber tires ;-)
> And as you point out the object of the lift was to fit the front
> suspension under the engine which was relocated anyway a bit and the
> floor pan modified to clear the bell housing, xfer case and transmission
> leaving you with front seats that would not interchange between the two
> cars, however that is a different story.
> So if you have to lift the front, you there for have to lift the rear to
> level the car out some what anyway.
> Which brings back to the point I was trying to bring up. I believe the
> purpose of the flares were to fill in the gaps between the now raised
> body and the tires and ground to give the allusion of being lower to the
> ground as a cosmetic function pretty much only.
>
> The rear tread on a Spirit and an AMX was 57 inches in 1980. I do not
> have a figure for an SX4 but the 2 door, 4 door and wagon for the Eagle
> was 57.6 inches.
> The AMX of course had flares also. Supposedly I guess to cover the
> performance oriented rear tires which were the same tires as offered on
> the regular Spirit thus when so equipped looked a little funky by them
> self as they sort of stood out from the fenders a little like Prince
> Charles ears. The Standard tire for a Spirit in 1980 I believe was a
> P195/ 75 R 14. Even with the optional Tire of DR70 14 which I believe
> came with the magnum 500 style wheels, the tire did not project far
> enough out from the rear fenders to require the flares which were
> standard on the AMX.
> The optional optional tire of ER60 -14 for the AMX using the "Dukes of
> Hazard turbine type wheels filled up the wheel wells well enough to
> make the flare look functional. On my AMX, I am using P205 -70 -14's and
> the fit is still under the fender using the OEM syle Magnum 500 wheels.
> While on my Spirit I am using P245-60 - R 14's on aftermarket aluminum
> wheels and the fit nicely under the fender well with no rubbing anywhere
> and I do travel with the car heavily loaded when Valerie and I make a
> road trip as her mobility scooter is carried with us in the car. The
> point is there is plenty of room under the fender well for some very
> large wheel and tire combinations. The AMX Flare option really is
> strictly cosmetic for the most part but looks better with bigger wheels
> and tire fitted. Thus I would imagine the SX4 Eagle flare would be
> basically the same way. Not needed for flinging grung but needed to give
> the allusion the car was not raised.
>
> Thus I am suggesting maybe that with the wider axle you are
> contemplating installing one might take a look at Carvan wheels and
> tires which have a fairly deep offset that would space the wheel back
> towards the center of the car. I have a set of 16 inch with a tire
> mounted, I don't off hand remember the size of the tire but standard for
> a 1996 town and country. I also have a set of 15 inch Bronco wheels with
> a 75 series tire mounted and a 70 series tire mounted that are now on my
> Town and Country. The off set is not as great with these wheels but all
> of them mount on an AMC hub. (with minor modifications to the Bronco
> wheels). I would bet that one of these combinations would allow you to
> mount the axle in question with out having the need to raise the car up
> so the fenders would clear the wheels and they would fit inside the
> existing wheel well the negating the need to install Eagle Flares to
> cover the protruding wheels or what ever.
>
> If this is an experiment in what fits I would be glad to take
> measurements with any and all wheel combinations I have and feed them
> back or !!!!! you could buy a set of wire wheel hub caps, let the wheels
> hang out anyway and get a chrome chain steering wheel and when you drive
> the car, slouch so you can just see over the dash board and under the
> steering wheel. ;-)
>
> My thoughts on the subject anyway.
> Later
> John.
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:53:26 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Disc rear interchange/now Eagle Fender Flares
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Billet ones hold up just fine under rather harsh wheeling, never mind street-duty. Modern spacers are a different animal than yesteryear's. They are very popular with the wheeling crown in dealing with width differences. Most common application is usually a Ford 8.8 in an XJ or TJ, or running Moab rims on a non-Rubicon vehicle. I run Moab's on my XJ, but I chose to adjust my steering stops instead so that i could keep the tires under the factory flares.
I have 1.5" spacers all around on my 98 Ram in order to accomodate the larger backspacing of 2005 Ram rims and the truck is lifted 10" with 37's, a V10 and 5.13 gears. These are not small forces I'm talking about and have not heard a peep from the spacers. Granted, I use steel ones on the Ram. Aluminum spacers are typically fine for up to 1/2-ton truck applications.
-Spro
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> As an attachment to this, IIRC, The Late model Mustang Bullit wheels run 17X8"
> with a 5.75" Backspacing! That's why they are so popular for this swap, the
> backspacing allows wheelspacers to be used for fine tuning if needed. Not a big
> fan of spacers and they are illegal in many states and won't pass most safety
> inspections, but the billet ones seem to hold up fine in street duty.
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- John Elle wrote:
> >
> > Ah! But!
> >
> > Snip
> > But, we are talking about an XJ rear diff and not an Eagle one into the
> > Spirit. That narrow width may be for the SX4 and not the Eagle
> > wagon/sedans.
> > The flares were added (and required) to cover the tires from throwing
> > stuff
> > onto the vehicle behind them. Front suspension was lifted to make it 4x4
> > because that was the closest they could get to the oil pan with a diff
> > and
> > have the axles level.
> > Snip
> >
> > The tread widths I referred to were Concord Sedan to Eagle Sedan so one
> > could make (hopefully) an apples to apples comparison. Thus suggesting
> > that on the rear of the Eagle Sedan and the Rear of the Concord sedan
> > there was no need for the flares if the object of them was to keep the
> > tires from throwing road grunge onto the sides of the car or the car
> > behind them. Much the same that a low rider does now with the extremely
> > widely spaced wire wheels and the comically narrow rubber tires ;-)
> > And as you point out the object of the lift was to fit the front
> > suspension under the engine which was relocated anyway a bit and the
> > floor pan modified to clear the bell housing, xfer case and transmission
> > leaving you with front seats that would not interchange between the two
> > cars, however that is a different story.
> > So if you have to lift the front, you there for have to lift the rear to
> > level the car out some what anyway.
> > Which brings back to the point I was trying to bring up. I believe the
> > purpose of the flares were to fill in the gaps between the now raised
> > body and the tires and ground to give the allusion of being lower to the
> > ground as a cosmetic function pretty much only.
> >
> > The rear tread on a Spirit and an AMX was 57 inches in 1980. I do not
> > have a figure for an SX4 but the 2 door, 4 door and wagon for the Eagle
> > was 57.6 inches.
> > The AMX of course had flares also. Supposedly I guess to cover the
> > performance oriented rear tires which were the same tires as offered on
> > the regular Spirit thus when so equipped looked a little funky by them
> > self as they sort of stood out from the fenders a little like Prince
> > Charles ears. The Standard tire for a Spirit in 1980 I believe was a
> > P195/ 75 R 14. Even with the optional Tire of DR70 14 which I believe
> > came with the magnum 500 style wheels, the tire did not project far
> > enough out from the rear fenders to require the flares which were
> > standard on the AMX.
> > The optional optional tire of ER60 -14 for the AMX using the "Dukes of
> > Hazard turbine type wheels filled up the wheel wells well enough to
> > make the flare look functional. On my AMX, I am using P205 -70 -14's and
> > the fit is still under the fender using the OEM syle Magnum 500 wheels.
> > While on my Spirit I am using P245-60 - R 14's on aftermarket aluminum
> > wheels and the fit nicely under the fender well with no rubbing anywhere
> > and I do travel with the car heavily loaded when Valerie and I make a
> > road trip as her mobility scooter is carried with us in the car. The
> > point is there is plenty of room under the fender well for some very
> > large wheel and tire combinations. The AMX Flare option really is
> > strictly cosmetic for the most part but looks better with bigger wheels
> > and tire fitted. Thus I would imagine the SX4 Eagle flare would be
> > basically the same way. Not needed for flinging grung but needed to give
> > the allusion the car was not raised.
> >
> > Thus I am suggesting maybe that with the wider axle you are
> > contemplating installing one might take a look at Carvan wheels and
> > tires which have a fairly deep offset that would space the wheel back
> > towards the center of the car. I have a set of 16 inch with a tire
> > mounted, I don't off hand remember the size of the tire but standard for
> > a 1996 town and country. I also have a set of 15 inch Bronco wheels with
> > a 75 series tire mounted and a 70 series tire mounted that are now on my
> > Town and Country. The off set is not as great with these wheels but all
> > of them mount on an AMC hub. (with minor modifications to the Bronco
> > wheels). I would bet that one of these combinations would allow you to
> > mount the axle in question with out having the need to raise the car up
> > so the fenders would clear the wheels and they would fit inside the
> > existing wheel well the negating the need to install Eagle Flares to
> > cover the protruding wheels or what ever.
> >
> > If this is an experiment in what fits I would be glad to take
> > measurements with any and all wheel combinations I have and feed them
> > back or !!!!! you could buy a set of wire wheel hub caps, let the wheels
> > hang out anyway and get a chrome chain steering wheel and when you drive
> > the car, slouch so you can just see over the dash board and under the
> > steering wheel. ;-)
> >
> > My thoughts on the subject anyway.
> > Later
> > John.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
> >
> > or go to http://www.amc-list.com
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:31:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] another american success story
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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In NY Times today is an article about Cummings Diesel. Back in
the 90's they were certain that new enviro regs were goin to
kill them: impossible to meet.
Instead, they're thriving; quality, sales, technology, power,
all up. They're reviving closed plants.
While it was specifically the EPA requirements that did it,
before you leap, look at this: it was really some (any)
outside bully forcing them top stop making very-short-term
business decisions ("but it will cost us money") and instead
make long-term technical ones.
Cummings is making good money now, and is spending LOTS on
research (something soon-to-be-dying industries STOP spending
money on). Their market is complicated (covered in the article)
but they're doing really well.
Whiney businesses of all sorts -- American and otherwise --
always piss me off. There's bad luck and bad markets for sure,
but actual research (with people, their HANDS and brains) and
actual development make for short-term costs and great long
term results.
If it takes an EPA to force crucial industries to start doing
some GDMF @#@!~%$$!! research, so be it. if they did it
themselves no one would have to poke them. Kick the equity
managers and business consultants out into the street!
AMC did best when it kept it's focus on the bread and butter
(little Americans and 4-door Classics) and experimented on the
side (AMXs, research and collaborations).
Too bad GM (and apparantly the unions) got addicted to short-term
fat money and cutting costs.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:03:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] another american success story
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Oh yeah, another thing about this, they're making a lot of
components they might otherweise have bought on the open market,
but they state they didn't want to have some outside supplier's
crappy part become their problem. Delphi anyone?
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:48:40 -0800
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Door Twisting
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: n.shaw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I think your best answers are below instructions from Tom Benvie as related
to the AMC-List a couple times in the past. There are likely some other
tricks for this procedure but I don't really know. They are likely
damaging, anyway. I'm petty sure Tom is a good authority on this. And we
don't have to pay him the "big bucks" for this info. That's why we like
him. This info is posted on below..
Maybe someone else has good advice on this, too.
______________________________________________________________
Ralph Ausmann - Hillsboro, OR - > <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx>
http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check the links"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Shaw" <n.shaw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "The List (E-mail)" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: [AMC-List] Door Twisting
> Can a door that is not lining up at the latch end be twisted into
> alignment? The drivers door on the Javelin lines up good at the hinge end
> but is about 1/4" in at the top and 1/4" out at the bottom at the latch
> (rear) end of the door. (So if you line up the top edge correctly, the
> bottom is out 1/2".) All the other body panels line up well.
> Thanks,
> Neil Shaw
> '72 Javelin SST
_________________________________________________________-
Info on this from AMC-List Archives CD...
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:48:08 -0500
From: tbenvie@xxxxxx (thomas m. benvie)
Subject: Some answers
-------------
Hinges-just did a set on my brothers Eagle SX4. worn so badly they had to
be replaced-actually wore away the scuff molding. Some advice on adjusting
doors-the best way to do this job is to take the striker off the car. This
will eliminate the "lift" often found when the door rides over the striker.
To move the door up and down, loosen the hinge where it attaches to the
body. to move it in and out, loosen the hinge where it attaches to the
door. I used to have my students adjust the door before the fender was
installed, without the striker, and with the door weatherstripping
installed. Just had two guys align the door-to the rear quarter and the
top of the rocker. Tighten the bolts and open and close a few times-this
even eliminates the bottom corner sticking out on the AMX. A lot of people
think it is caused by a twisted door, but it is not. Install the striker
so the door closes easily. If it binds, put some white grease on it, and
look at the area marked by the door when closing. This will show you if
you have to adjust the striker up or down. Remember to keep track of the
shims behind the striker, as some cars are all not the same. If your
striker is worn, take one off of the rear of a 4 door car-hardly ever worn.
Also, the AMXs had a spring style striker, the later cars had a urethane
bushing.
I mentioned the best way to align a door is with the fender off. The next
step for assembly would be to align the hood to the cowl-even gap along the
whole back, level with the top of the cowl. Then install the fender-align
to the side of the hood, then the front of the door. AMXs had a small tack
weld where the fender meets the top of the rocker. Most people forget to
do this, and it is a sure give away the fender may have been replaced.
_______________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:52:43 -0500
From: tbenvie@xxxxxx (Thomas M. Benvie)
Subject: Some Answers....(part 1)
Hope all is well with everyone this week. I guess my post last week was
too long for the archives, so I'll repost it (again) as 2 separate
posts-part 1 and 2. I'll try to do the same with this one if it is too
long. Hope people don't mind.
....Here is the best way to adjust a door on an AMX. Remove the striker from
the door opening. Slightly loosen the hinge bolts on the door (not the
cowl). 68s have an extra lower bolt. The hinges cannot have bad pins or
bushings. Close the door and move it up and down or in and out until the
rear of the door and the bottom of the door line up with a small, even gap.
Do not worry about the fender line (as a matter of fact, it is best to do
with the fender off the car). When the rear and bottom line up, the top
front should be aligned. If it is, tighten the bolts. If it is not, the
door may be twisted. This happens when the wind stop (the part with the
spring on the hinge) jambs and the door is pressed against it. I have had
luck just twisting it back. Then line up the fender. (and the hood should
be lined up against the cowl correctly before the fender is aligned). DO
NOT close the door without checking the fender lines, as the door could
catch the fender and ruin them both. When all is aligned, reinstall the
striker-which may not be in the same place. (And the original striker has a
spring around it-replacements do not. Just remove them from the back doors
of a 4 door as they are hardly ever worn). When all is done, the bottom
corner of the door should not have that "AMX Sag".
___________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:13:05 -0500
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Mounting\Aligning Doors
If I read you right, the correct way to adjust the hinges is to loosen the
mounts on the door, then slide/push the door to where you want it, then
tighten
back. The hinges on the door post of the body are parallel with
the body IIRC, the hinge on the door should be perpendicular with the body.
Check your hinge pins top and bottom too. They may be worn. One more
thing --
check the door seals and make sure they aren't forcing the door in a
different
angle.
On April 2, 2003 Ryan Leininger wrote:
> Well, the drivers door on my 69 AMX is not aligned correctly. The bottom
> is to far out away from car and the top side in. I have never removed the
> door. I assumed fixing this would be quite easy as there is not a lot in
> the way of mounting components.
> I looked in my TSM to no avail. Any suggestions on tightening procedure or
> anything? > I think this came about simply from stress and usage as it was
> not like this a year or two ago.
> Thanks, > Ryan Leininger > gidaeon622@xxxxxxx
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:17:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerry Casper <gremlingts@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] An interesting AMC encounter ( in a file ) while
sorting Dad's stuff...
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Since Mom and Dad have been moved to a church-run
care facility, I've been helping my sister sort thru
their life paperwork. This week, while sorting thru
dusty old files of my Dads, mostly from his workplace
this time, I ran across a file that stopped me short.
He'd copied an old newspaper photo of two
scantily-clad ladies in shorts and halter tops,
working for the VA State Highway counting project
alongside a main thoroughfare. The picture was bad,
grainy from copying, and lacking detail....but the car
parked in the grass BEHIND the two ladies grabbed my
attention...sure looked like the rear end ( ok, on the
car ) of a 1970 Javelin to me! I read thru the file
folder, turns out my Dad was a supervisor for this
project, and someone had complained about the ladies
attire, after seeing their picture in the (Richmond?)
Newspaper that got published, and apparently my Dad
caught some flack about it. I'm sure HE wouldn't
complain about their attire! Dirty old man...heh heh!
Anyway, apparently they worked for another division,
on loan, and he wasn't held responsible, and that
after he requested to see any guidelines the snoots
were hooting about...well, apparently there WAS no
dress code for outdoor work on projects of this nature
on record. Oops...so, someone thought that maybe
someone should write some,as they didn't think
shortie-shorts and halter tops reflected well on State
Highway employees, or contract employee temps, as
these turned out to be. Har-ummp! I stared at that
photo a while ( for the car , of course ), it sure
looks like a Javelin. I wonder if I can find the back
issue to get a copy of the orginal photo? Sometime in
'76, I think.
Oh well, another future project. Still got lots of
boxes in the attic to go thru. Will get in a few hours
maybe on Saturday, after visiting Ashland , VA for
Train Day, 10 am to 4 pm. That's all I have, catch
ya'll later,
Jerry Casper
Gremlin GT
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:40:20 -0500
From: "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] E-bay, RamblerRescue and more...
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hey Group,
Just a heads up for some items just listed on e-bay. Hats, Mouse Pads, etc.
Some left overs from the summer shows.
In a few days I will be adding Calendars. AMC Detroit GraveYard, Field of
Gremlins, VA Memories (a few amcs), Dealerships (Thanks Eddie Stakes!) Just
need to finish another calendar cover or two. Ready to go w/room for
activities, important dates (like oil changes, tire rotations, etc).
Also, scan all of the transfers I have and display them with choice of shirt
size. LOTS of stuff to come. Any suggestions, contact me.
Will be getting the information sheets to the clubs interested (or others)
to purchase or add to you club sales. Contact me off line for more info,
but it's coming. Think about it for a L O N G, L O N G, time, so here it
is.
Also have ability for mugs, hats, puzzles, checking out a new clock
possibility, and it WON'T be more than my originals a few years back, $12.
All these things can have YOUR pictures on them too. Contact me for
Christmas gifts.
Rambler Rescue needs another reminder. E-mail me off line and I will send
you the updated (current listers have been updated) Currently I have 15
people in 13 states ready, willing and able tohelp. No requests yet from
others but no problem there. It is active and available. I will work on
another website and start linkin out.
If you want to see it, or be in it, or have one, just e-mail me at
javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx and it's on the way. Ready to print out -- or --
print out in a booklet form, if your printer can do that, (or Kinkos).
Anyway it is there for you to use, NO CHARGE.
Anyway, hope your week has been AMazinglyCool!
(it's late)
Richard
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:20:36 -0500
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Speed Channel's
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The blue Rambler wagon shown at some point in the show -- I think the
first minute or two -- is mine! They had me turn the wheels so that the
aftermarket ones I had on there wouldn't show. They eanted a pretty
stock looking Rambler to show the big difference between it and the
AMX.
A production contacted the club wanting to shoot the cars. The club
itself didn't have anything more to do with the production than to
arrange the meeting to get the cars in. I remember Jeff Barfield
calling me about bringing the wagon up from Warner Robins. Most have
been around 1998-1999 (I moved from WR to Gulfport, MS, in March 2000).
I was a member of Peach State at the time.
On November 10, 2006 Tom Jennings wrote:
> Just watched it.
>
>
> Pretty good show! Covered, minimally but accurately, AMC's
> history, their economy background, changing small-car market
> in the early 1960's as background.
>
> Instead of disappearing the Ramblers and stodgy non-performance
> brethren, the AMX is accurately contextualized in AMC's product
> line. Pretty flattering while remaining honest. Multiple
> references to the fact that the Corvette was it's only product
> competitor.
>
> Lotsa good car pictures, though a few too many of the same
> dragstrip takeoffs, and not enough historic footage (a bit of
> Breedlove, Donohue, Penske was nice) (but then I'm not a drag
> racing enthusiast :-)
>
> So who's the AMC nut that made this show? Most of the cars
> and drivers are in Georgia, so I'd guess it's some Peach
> State AMC-er. And how did they get a car TV show to go
> along? Congratulations times 10!
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