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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 61 Rambler wagon weight (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
2. FW: re: 61 Rambler Wagon door latch mechanism
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
3. Re: 61 Classic wagon weight (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
4. Re: painting with tremclad. and patience
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
5. Prison Break, nope not off subject (Richard Estermyer)
6. Re: speaking of carburetors (Sandwich Maker)
7. Re: painting with tremclad. and patience (Sandwich Maker)
8. Re: 61 Rambler wagon weight (Tom Jennings)
9. Proportioning Valve (Vince Scamardo)
10. Can anyone help this person (AMC) (Nick ALFANO)
11. 79 Pacer Wagon Limited (Nolanatcamelot@xxxxxxx)
12. Conv update (Mark Price)
13. Re: Conv update (Tom Jennings)
14. FW: Speaking of Suspensions-Now turbos (John Elle)
15. 'check this freak' <> Speaking of Suspensions <> (Brien Tourville)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 06:56:19 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 61 Rambler wagon weight
To: <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
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Don't have my books with me to give you the shipping weight, but it is
around 3,500 pounds, +/- 250 or so. The aluminum block saved 150-200
pounds. The only real benefit that the AMC dealer could sell was it
saved the cost of power steering because of the reduced weight. Not
enough to really cut gas mileage, maybe a half mile to the gallon.
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Date: Saturday, November 4, 2006 05:20 PM
From: Michael Pell <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Just curious, what's the approx weight of a 61 Rambler Wagon deluxe ?
I do have the alum block engine.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 06:52:54 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] FW: re: 61 Rambler Wagon door latch mechanism
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mike, if you take the latch out you will probably see a flat coil spring
with two "arms" on it -- one arm broke or a coil broke. If you can see
the spring, and it can be taken apart, you can find a similar spring in
a good hardware store that has an assortment. Try an ACE hardware, not
likely to find it at Lowe's. Don't hesitate to replace a large rivet
with a like size bolt. Use a nylon insert nut or lock-tite to keep it in
place. The rivets were used because they were cheaper to install at the
factory and less likely to work loose and cause a warranty call later.
Other than that, the latch should be the same for all 56-62 big cars.
Not sure if an American latch or 63+ latch will work.
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Date: Saturday, November 4, 2006 05:19 PM
From: Michael Pell <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On my '61 Rambler wagon, the driv door latch part, described as "Lock
Outside Latch" in my service manual doesn't spring back when the door is
opened.
I can manually rotate it to shut the door, but if I do not rotate it,
then I can't close the door.
Would anyone have the spring required to rotate it back into position?
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 06:58:42 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 61 Classic wagon weight
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I need to read more posts before I reply!! Thanks Joe -- I was way off
on the aluminum block weight savings! Weight is usually a couple hundred
pounds over shipping weight, so I'm a bit better on guessing there -- if
you take into account the -250 pounds anyway! (add the 250 and I'm WAY
over though.... ;< )
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:52:05 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] painting with tremclad. and patience
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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In case no one looked at the thread Bryan posted, that's RUSTOLEUM
enamel in the US. Thin with 40% mineral spirits, and squeeze the roller
out good when rolling, wet sand between coats, starting with a 150 or so
grit and using finer paper as you go. It's cheap, the results seem
reasonably good, but it's VERY time consuming! One guy posted that after
the 5th coat he can paint his car (a 70s 2 door Duster, the size of a
late 60s American) in about 1.5 hours and has about three coats to go.
Figure 8 coats with an average of 2 hours (the first ones took a lot
longer), so 16 hours just in painting. Takes at least four hours to dry
enough for wet sanding. You COULD put on two coats in a day if you
pushed, but figure one coat with the time to sand -- figure an average
of two hours to sand as well. So that's a minimum of eight days to paint
a car, then you have to buff it out. 8x4=32 hours with no body work. I'd
probably figure 40 hours just to be sure everything is covered. That's
not that bad at all, really. Patience is the key here! In a month you
could have the car painted. Best to work one panel at a time, not try to
do the whole car at once. That would take longer though.
If you're patient and don't mind all the wet sanding you should get an
adequate paint job, at least as good as a $300 Maaco job. But if there's
a Maaco in your area, prep the car yourself and let them spray it. The
prep is what costs so much, but if not done properly paint won't stick
well and/or the surface won't be smooth. You're counting on your own
work. The more prep they do the higher the costs -- you get what you pay
for! I've wnet in and got a $250 paint job that ended up costing $800 --
I had them finish up what I started. Basically I did the first 2-3 coats
of bondo and the major repairs and they finished to a smooth surface
ready for paint. You can always do a final wet sand and buff yourself
for a better finish. I think that's the way to go, really.
The only way the DIY with a roller is going to pay off is if you're
doing a panel at a time -- repair and paint. Then it may be more
beneficial as you can do it all on your own schedule and take around a
year to paint it. Might work well for repair work too (at least one
fellow has done that). I may try it on the J-10 when I get around to
doing some of the rust repairs. But then it's just a work truck, and I
don't mind if there are some obvious repair spots.
But for those with way more time than money, looks like $100 in paint
and material should cover it...
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:43:38 -0500
From: "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Prison Break, nope not off subject
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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In channel surfing this morning I caught the last clip of Prison Break for
tonight and caught a Rambler coming towards camera and clipping a door off a
parked car. Have these guys got smart and decided to use a Rambler to make
their escape?
It is a Fox network show.
Richard
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:38:07 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] speaking of carburetors
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200611061538.kA6Fc7D21853@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" All in all, last night was both exciting and productive! Sadly, we found
" out an XJ diff was 2" wider than an '82 Spirit, but he'll be able to rob the
" brake parts along with backing plates to "upgrade" the rear brakes to 10".
warning! afaik the housing ends are not the same. the early d35 has
amc20 housing flanges, the c-clip d35 has mopar pattern housing
flanges. neither are like the amc15. i don't think the backing
plates will work without redrilling the attachment holes.
" Maybe we can have the XJ D35 axle shortened and resplined to fit the Model
" 15?
now that's a thought. there's supposed to be a bearing/seal
changeover kit for fitting d35 axles into early-xj amc15hd housings...
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:04:22 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] painting with tremclad. and patience
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200611061604.kA6G4MB22089@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" In case no one looked at the thread Bryan posted, that's RUSTOLEUM
" enamel in the US.
right. i think the exact name is rustacrylic.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:11:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 61 Rambler wagon weight
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM wrote:
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 61 Rambler wagon weight
>
> Don't have my books with me to give you the shipping weight, but it is
> around 3,500 pounds, +/- 250 or so. The aluminum block saved 150-200
> pounds. The only real benefit that the AMC dealer could sell was it
> saved the cost of power steering because of the reduced weight. Not
> enough to really cut gas mileage, maybe a half mile to the gallon.
Isn't "61 Rambler" the American? Even if it's the Classic
chassis, I find it hard to believe it weighs that much more
than 1963.
How much lighter are the Americans, generally speaking?
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:49:25 -0600
From: "Vince Scamardo" <vscamardo@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Proportioning Valve
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I am looking for a rear mounted proportioning valv fo a disc brake car. From
what i understand, They came on AMX's, Javelins, Any rambler with discs. I
am not talking about the one under the hood. I am looking for the one
mounted to the frame in the rear. Any helpo would be apreciated. Thanks,
Vince
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:58:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Can anyone help this person (AMC)
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, opusinterra@xxxxxxxxx
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No offense, but I will take that as a challenge just
for the fun of it. You build a 302, mod up your AMC
car to accept it, do all the wiring mods, trans, drive
shaft etc. including the hours you put into it (X a
given labor rate). I will do the same with a AMC V8
to drop in the same car. I bet $ for $ I beat you
every time.
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271
From: "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Can anyone help this person?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Well, he isn't asking for help though.
Usually what is on the AmericanMotorsCorporation news
group come along
here.
Has anyone seen this.
What is the reality of this "truth" anyway.
Thanks
Richard
Richard Estermyer
javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx
1. My 74 Hornet HB From: opusinterra
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1.
My 74 Hornet HB
Posted by: "opusinterra" opusinterra@xxxxxxxxx
opusinterra
Thu Nov 2, 2006 11:00 pm (PST)
I Dont know how to say this ,,,,But First, know Ive
always loved
A.M.C.. I own a gremlin a hornet a comando and a
cherokee. But
recently I read about engine weights and found a 302
is half the
weight of a 304.
I was toying with the idra of a stroker ( 304 bored 40
over to
acept a 360 head [20% larger valve stock ]and early
70s forged 390
crank ), when I ran into a problem with the journals.
For less than half the price of all that I could put a
mustang 302
with 4 speed auto inplace of the 727. disc kit on the
model 20,
Coilovers infront,edelbrock TPI and i'll smoke
anything. GOD HELP ME!
opusintrra@xxxxxxxxx
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:29:32 EST
From: Nolanatcamelot@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] 79 Pacer Wagon Limited
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Message-ID: <555.8f8325a.32812d6c@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
For Tom Benvie
Joe Fulton suggested I contact you to see if you might have the number of
79/80 Pacer Wagon Limited that were produced. All of my sources bunch the
Limiteds with the regular wagons. Is it possible that you might have a break out
of the Limiteds. I'm assuming that whatever number that was produced for 79
also includes those that were titled for 80.
Thanks for any possible help. (Your address at _tbenvie@xxxxxxxxxx
(mailto:tbenvie@xxxxxxxxx) was refused and returned)
Nolan Dehner
Nor Cal AMCs
Windsor, Ca 95492
1975 Pacer D/L (Sold)
1976 Pacer D/L (Sold)
1976 Pacer Standard
1979 Pacer Wagon Limited
2004 Toyota Avalon
Nolanatcamelot@xxxxxxx
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:20:51 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Conv update
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "AMC-DelMarVA: yahoogroups.com" <AMC-DelMarVA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I finished the trough up on the Ambassador and selaed it up with some of Eastwoods rust encapsulater. The car is now outside under cover for the winter.
http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l103/Wrambler_242/
Now to do some of the stiff I've been wanting to finish up on the American!
2.95 T5 with an AMC tailhousing anyone?!
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:20:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Conv update
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> 2.95 T5 with an AMC tailhousing anyone?!
Um... sure... just ship it to me, I'll dispose of it for you...
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:32:43 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] FW: Speaking of Suspensions-Now turbos
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000201c70215$04bdb9e0$40de0d82@john1>
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TOM
SNIP
If my project car budget was $50K+, shit howdy, Nick would
be building me a turbo aluminum 196 right now, and his front
susp. would be on order for the rod/two-seater sport I'd
be making from a sectioned bathtub American. THAT's Rambler
Mentality.
SNIP
SMILE WHEN YOU SAY THAT!!
But for sure, I have had a desire to build a turbo I-6 and I have a low
mileage
232 to serve as a base for one. I just wonder what it would take to
screw together
a 232 with a hair dryer that would embarrass a GN Buick.
John.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:06:34 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 'check this freak' <> Speaking of Suspensions <>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Speaking of Suspensions
But!
SNIP
'check this freak' :
<http://www.lextreme.com/sc430tt.html>
http://www.lextreme.com/sc430tt.html
SNIP
That is cold hard cash going into this thing. It sort of
makes the 2 grand wanted for a bolt on Mustang II
suspension including disc. brakes, rack and pinion
and power steering that is being proposed for our AMC
cars look like so much chump change. Or will Rambler
mentality doom it to failure before the first shipping
box is opened.
John.
=========================
But John ! I can't get this engine - TWIN TURBO - or NOT
into my Kammback WITHOUT Nicks 'Stang Bang' bolt in
front suspension !
My engine bay is off-set 2" to passanger side.
The exhaust will interfere with the passanger side upper
control arm - .
You can buy one of these engines without Turbos off eBay
for anywhere between $500. > $3K.
On www.car-parts.com they're around $2,500.00 for a
low mileage example.
One item of note :
these engines were designed initially
for F1 Racing.
If anyone wants to 'go for it' > the LS430 Engines are
cast cranks and rods.
The TUNDRA Truck version is: Forged Crank and Rods.
All the Toyota F1 Racing Engines started life as a stock Toyota
Tundra TRUCK engine.......... just add Forged Pistons and
go for broke.
I CAN shoe - horn a Toyota Supra Twin Turbo Inline 6 in
and bolt up to the Lexus 6spd tho......... hmmm
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
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