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Today's Topics:
1. Javelin Headers (Todd Tomason)
2. Carter BBD alternatives (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
3. Carter BBD alternatives (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
4. Re: Carter BBD alternatives (Mark Price)
5. Re: Anyone on the list in Bellingham, WA? (Mark Price)
6. Re: Anyone on the list in Bellingham, WA? (Jim Blair)
7. Re: Forward of moderated message (Jim Blair)
8. Re: Anyone on the list in Bellingham, WA? (Sandwich Maker)
9. performance cam for 196 ohv (M Walter)
10. AMX impounded (russ hathaway)
11. Re: performance cam for 196 ohv (Tom Jennings)
12. Re: Javelin Headers (Jim Shadwick)
13. Re: performance cam for 196 ohv (Mark Price)
14. Re: performance cam for 196 ohv (Tom Jennings)
15. Re: performance cam for 196 ohv (Tom Jennings)
16. 73 Hornet (John Rosa) (Mr. AMC)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:01:08 -0500
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Javelin Headers
To: AMC List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Anyone have any recommendations on which headers to buy for my Javelin? The
old rusty ones that came with the car just won't seal anymore.
Todd
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:11:15 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Carter BBD alternatives
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<Matt>
>Gunk sells carburetor cleaner in gallon containers that works much,
>much faster than what you're describing.
It probably wouldn't have taken three hours to achieve the desired result, I was just being thorough. Thanks for the tip though, I'll check it out. I usually do one carburetor a year, minimum, the snow plow sets all spring, summer and fall without use. F350 4 x 4 with a 400. I can't afford to move that one too often so the carb suffers the pains of being dry for several months.
I fabricated the choke bracket and the two connecting links, high idle and choke yesterday after work Installed the carburetor and the Spirit lives. The car starts fine, runs on high idle fine, although more adjustments in the linkage will improve things. After warming up the car did something I'm certain it hadn't done for quite some time, Idle. Alas, this is a troubled Spirit, cylinder number six isn't firing. I didn't have time to dig into some of the obvious causes, but it seem to have spark, atleast when it knocked on my butt I figured that was a good indicator. What a rush..
I was tempted to button it up and go for a ride, but like I said, "out of time for today."
This Holley substitution for the Carter seems to be a good one. I think I would still prefer the non-feedback Carter due to the ease of adjustments that carburetor offers. Who knows, I'll keep my eyes open, with my glasses on, for one off a slant super six. If I had a dime for every one I changed accellerator pump rubbers on in 1977. . .
I have to let the Spirit set for a few days while I get the Truck ready to move the AMX. She needs brake work and general service before the trip.
Jack
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:40:19 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
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Subject: [AMC-List] Carter BBD alternatives
To: <jackbarncord@xxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Jack, do you use gas stabilizer in the snow plow when you store it? If
not, you should! Then you shouldn't have to pull and clean the carb
every year. You can get it at Lowe's or auto parts stores. I've used it
in my motorcycle and it works great. The bike carbs have VERY tiny
passages (one for each cylinder, so they have to be!) that plug very
easy, and the carbs are a tight fit -- PITA to get off an on! Haven't
had to take them off in years since using stabilizer if it's going to be
parked more than a couple months.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 7:12:28 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Carter BBD alternatives
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
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Stabilizer in a full tank of gas is the recomendation for Boats/ATVs/Personal watercraft. I do it every year and the pontoonboat has a 20 Gallon plus tank [OUCH!]. I've never had a single problem since being given and following this advice.
In the years before that I was always chasing condensation/ water problems, rough running etc;
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Mark Price
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---- "Swygert wrote:
> Jack, do you use gas stabilizer in the snow plow when you store it? If
> not, you should! Then you shouldn't have to pull and clean the carb
> every year. You can get it at Lowe's or auto parts stores. I've used it
> in my motorcycle and it works great. The bike carbs have VERY tiny
> passages (one for each cylinder, so they have to be!) that plug very
> easy, and the carbs are a tight fit -- PITA to get off an on! Haven't
> had to take them off in years since using stabilizer if it's going to be
> parked more than a couple months.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 7:33:38 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Anyone on the list in Bellingham, WA?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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common rust spots are the front cowl corners, around the heater box inlet area where the heater core sits up against top and under the wiper motor.
Lots of room in the trunk on one of these for a big lpg tank!
4 barrel 327 runs about 9.7-1 in compression the jeep engine you have is two barrel and drops down around 9-1, maybe 8.7-1. I think the two barrel just uses a shorter piston height. I've never found the piston heights to know for sure. I've wondered for a while if the two barrel motor could be decked to bring it up to four barrel specs, or even where the pistons set in the bores on the four barrel motors. Could the four barrel motors be decked to raise compression if they are down in the bores. I guess I could look since I've got a shortblock in my shop! All this is for lpg speculation.
--
Mark Price
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Morgantown, WV
---- Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On my way to TG dinner in BC, I spotted a red and white Ambassador (@'66
> vintage) for sale and so did my wife. Turns out it's an AMC she actually
> likes the looks of! So we may be getting rid of her '01 Legacy L 4 dr sedan
> and getting something I can still work on! (she's been miffed because my 1
> ton truck costs less to fill and goes farther than her 'Bru on a tank
> because it runs LPG)
> That 327 in my garage may have come into my possession for a purpose
> after all! (I couldn't see the engine size emblems as it was kind of dark
> when we came back past at 9:30 and I have to work in the AM)
> Any pointers on things to look out for? Common rust spots? (I haven't had
> a big Rambler since I got rid of my first wife almost 20 years ago!)
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:43:47 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Anyone on the list in Bellingham, WA?
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I forgot the 327 compression was that low. I may have to pump it up a bit.
Gotta see what motor is in it first I guess.
Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:48:33 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Forward of moderated message
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Oops! willkrause@xxxxxxxxxxx is his email (I passed on one email already
with Doc's addy)
Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:22:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Anyone on the list in Bellingham, WA?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" 4 barrel 327 runs about 9.7-1 in compression the jeep engine you have
" is two barrel and drops down around 9-1, maybe 8.7-1. I think the two
" barrel just uses a shorter piston height. I've never found the piston
" heights to know for sure.
i saw that somewhere myself, years ago; pistons were the only internal
difference. it was in a trw book or some such iirc.
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:47:49 -0400
From: "M Walter" <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] performance cam for 196 ohv
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GREETINGS AMC FANS!!! I had heard a testemonial about the effects of
putting a cam with 0.10" added lift and 20 deg. duration in a 196 ohv
engine. Also, is the cam the same as the flathead 196? THANK YOU one
and all. redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX impounded
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John; before everyone and their cousin starts claiming
it's theirs, it is mine. Anyways, sounds like a nice
car and hopefully the tow company showed some respect
when they grabbed it, out here the tow companys will
use a hook on anything AMC ( afew exceptions, but not
many)......Russ
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:41:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] performance cam for 196 ohv
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, M Walter wrote:
> GREETINGS AMC FANS!!! I had heard a testemonial about the effects of
> putting a cam with 0.10" added lift and 20 deg. duration in a 196 ohv
> engine. Also, is the cam the same as the flathead 196? THANK YOU one
> and all. redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx
I wish I had info for you... but I'm interested in hearing
about any plans to hop up that particular motor, or about any
that have been done (recently or in the past).
There's a little bit about that motor in Dick Dotson's books
(scattered throughout the book... with a lot of editorializing
:-)
The motor for all its limitations sounds brick-sh*thouse
rugged. Though there's certainly no market for it it sure would
make a cool fast six!
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:24:22 -0600
From: Jim Shadwick <idahoamx@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Javelin Headers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Todd....
What engine does your Javelin in it????.....
Jim
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:19:42 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] performance cam for 196 ohv
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I'm not sure what the differences is in the flathead cam if any.
I would be surprised if you could not do the same with the flat head cam. No one will likely have cores so you will need to provide one. The actual grind can be worked out with the cam shop after they or you provide initial cam specs. Plus you have to look into the whole thing of the cam then having a reduced base circle, How is that addressed with a flat head??? Plus then making sure the springs are up to it!
I'm sure Frank S. will likely have some input on this one!
Last what is the existing power band like in a flathead? You may kill it if you do much of anything!!!
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- M Walter <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> GREETINGS AMC FANS!!! I had heard a testemonial about the effects of
> putting a cam with 0.10" added lift and 20 deg. duration in a 196 ohv
> engine. Also, is the cam the same as the flathead 196? THANK YOU one
> and all. redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] performance cam for 196 ohv
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: M Walter <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> Last what is the existing power band like in a flathead? You may kill it if you do much of anything!!!
Turbo. Turbo flathead! That'll teach those in-head passageways
who's boss!
I wouldn't run hardly any boost, but hell, anything would help
that thing. 3, 4psi?
It would look great! If you don't know (Mark does), the carb
bolts right onto the HEAD. The "manifold" is scraped out gouges
on the inside of the head, somewhat (umm...) limiting flow. You
could bolt the turbo outlet right to the head, get a sideways
Carter YF from a Corvair...
Man that would look cool! I bet you could squeeze... 125hp from it!
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] performance cam for 196 ohv
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: M Walter <redamc1963@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Tom Jennings wrote:
> Man that would look cool! I bet you could squeeze... 125hp from it!
Seriously... a little turbo in a flathead American with very, very
modest boost would be a really good thing. Simply size it for
reliability and the weak T98 transmission and not stress the motor.
Simply size the turbo such that maximum boost at maximum engine
RPM is well within safe range and you could dispense with
all controls and pop valves.
With the silly exhaust system that motor uses, making a pipe
to go up to the turbo would be fairly easy.
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:38:49 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] 73 Hornet (John Rosa)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
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I tried to call you today at 5am on the phone no# that I had when I
bought the bucket seats for my orange Hornet from you over 2 years ago.
It says restricted or some other mumbo jumbo. Contact me at
amc74hornet@xxxxxxxxxx I have cash & delivery money for parts in hand.
Also you never contacted me from a previous e-mail about a 4 bbl carb
you were looking for for the Alabama police car you were looking for
that my son may have. It's garage clean up time for my son, all Javelin
parts that are not sold on eBay or given or picked up away are going to
the dump by Nov. 15'th. Last and final call!!!!
"Doc"
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