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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Play on Words (Spirit power) ( Russell T. Neyhart)
2. Play on Words (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
3. Vote for Mel Valentine's AMX In Hemmings Muscle
(jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
4. Spirit U-joints (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
5. Re: Play on Words (Spirit power) (Jim Blair)
6. Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT? (Brian Nelson Architect)
7. Re: Play on Words (Spirit power) (Sandwich Maker)
8. Re: Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT? (Sandwich Maker)
9. clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing wanted (Nick ALFANO)
10. Re: Spirit U-joints (Tom Jennings)
11. Re: Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT? (Tom Jennings)
12. Re-Build or Replace? (Ronald Brown)
13. Re: Re-Build or Replace? (Sandwich Maker)
14. Re: Re-Build or Replace? (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:06:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words (Spirit power)
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I forgot about the 2.0 liter engine. Actually... the 2.0 would not have been bad if AMC would have used the Bosch fuel injection system most VWs and Audis had at the time. A 2.0 from an Audi 80 was listed as putting out 115 bhp stock. That would be an interesting swap indeed. Even better would be a cross-flow 2.0 from a later model.
Russ
-----Original Message-----
>From: farna@xxxxxxx
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>To: AMC-List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words (Spirit power)
>
>At least it didn't have the 2.0L as the 79s did! A couple drove a 2.0L four speed Spirit from Oregon to Florida a few years ago. It had been upgraded with a Pertronix ignition. They said it made a noticeable power increase. When you have barely adequate power a 3-5 hp increase is very noticeable! But they did say it was adequate with a four speed. The Iron Duke would probably be much better with a five speed (as would the 2.0L) and a low rear axle. But an EFI Duke should be very nice indeed! About the same hp as a 232, though a bit less torque. Five speed and geared right it would be good. A 2.5L AMC/Jeep four would be even better -- a little more torque than the Poncho, and in the family.
>
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>Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words
>
>On Sun, 24 Sep 2006, Russell Neyhart wrote:
>
>> ...not to keep you talking about this long enough to go out and get
>> another Spirit, but... maybe a four worked a bit with a manual would
>> have given you a better front/rear weight bias and made for better auto-x?
>
>As Joe points out -- power. But a modern 2.5 would probably
>kick butt -- the V8 was a tight fit in that little car. It was
>clearly meant for the big six.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:58:43 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Play on Words
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Okay, that's it, I gotta respond!
While the weather is warm and the Hornets are buzzing, I'll drive mine daily. When frost is on the pumpkin the Hornets will hide so its the Spirit I'll drive fall and spring. When the snow flies and blows, like it will on the 1000 acre hill, the F150 4x4 is all that moves until the F350 4x4 snow plow makes the rounds. The Hornet will stay tucked away for the winter months, filled with dryer softener sheets and tires 2" off the concrete. At some point the Spirit will join the Hornet for a nap and await spring weather. Gee, a car for each season, maybe I should retrieve that SX/4...
I just turned 15,250 miles on the Hornet, the 83 Spirit GT is still on stands in the hawgshed awaiting the decision, "To keep the Carter or not to keep the Carter?" either is expensive, but the car must run soon.
Anyone have an inexpensive alternative for the Carter?
Jack
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:08:31 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Vote for Mel Valentine's AMX In Hemmings Muscle
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From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
It is free and what a great way to honor the late Mel Valentine by voting
for his low miler beautiful 69 AMX. You don't have to sign up or anything
JUST VOTE IN THE LINK BELOW!!!!
http://www.hemmings.com/mmoy/
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Just a for the record, what year did AMC start using the power steering pump shown in the "under the hood" photo of Mel's AMX? I'm not used to see that pump under the hood of a '69. I have a 70 Jav with the "other" style pump and a 70 Hornet with the newer, what gives?
Jack
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:13:52 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Spirit U-joints
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Hey gang,
I was under the Spirit the other day puttin' in a new trans mount and giving the car a general going over on the bottom side. Since I was already on the creeper might as well, eh? When I got to the rear u-joint I gave it a shake, like always, habit I guess and the u-joint has play in the differential yoke, side to side maybe .075 to .100. I looked closer and the caps and all are moving in the yoke. This says wrong u-joint to me. What say ya'll?
Jack
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:20:34 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words (Spirit power)
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A: Another option (although I really like the fuel injected 2.54 AMC 4 cyl
idea with either AX5 trans or AW4 automatic. The 904 used in the '84 to '89
4 cyl 2wd XJs would be okay for around towners) would be to find a Porsche
with the 2.0L in it (924 I think?) and fuel inject the little critter. There
were 2 of them close by my old place in S. Seattle that could have been had
for @$500. (one had a dead trans and the other was totally rotted out due to
leaky sunroof but running good)
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words (Spirit power)
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At least it didn't have the 2.0L as the 79s did! A couple drove
a 2.0L four speed Spirit from Oregon to Florida a few years ago.
It had been upgraded with a Pertronix ignition. They said it
made a noticeable power increase. When you have barely adequate
power a 3-5 hp increase is very noticeable! But they did say it
was adequate with a four speed. The Iron Duke would probably be
much better with a five speed (as would the 2.0L) and a low rear
axle. But an EFI Duke should be very nice indeed! About the same
hp as a 232, though a bit less torque. Five speed and geared
right it would be good. A 2.5L AMC/Jeep four would be even
better -- a little more torque than the Poncho, and in the
family.
--
Frank Swygert
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:58:08 -0700
From: Brian Nelson Architect <bonarch@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT?
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Yes - find a Holley 2-bbl carb - I found one on an '82 Dodge with a 318 V8,
and it worked very well on my 258 I6.
You will have to modify the linkage slightly, but it is an easy mod. This is
actually the "factory" solution to the Carter problems, and it makes
a great difference. I took a LOT of EGR hose plumbing off the engine and
simply capped all the spigots, as I did not need to have it tested for
emissions.
The other swap you should look into is to replace the mechanical rad fan
with an electric fan - this is worth a very noticeable boost in performance
and smoothness, and drops the noise level dramatically.
B. Nelson
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words (Spirit power)
To: AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609251800.k8PI0Oq19724@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" A: Another option (although I really like the fuel injected 2.54 AMC 4 cyl
" idea with either AX5 trans or AW4 automatic. The 904 used in the '84 to '89
" 4 cyl 2wd XJs would be okay for around towners) would be to find a Porsche
" with the 2.0L in it (924 I think?) and fuel inject the little critter.
yet another option: '83-6 4-cyl cjs, eagles, and some xjs had t5
trannies. and am i right in thinking the amc 4 bolts to the 6 motor
mounts?
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:03:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609251803.k8PI3Ur19794@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Brian Nelson Architect <bonarch@xxxxxxx>
"
" Yes - find a Holley 2-bbl carb - I found one on an '82 Dodge with a 318 V8,
" and it worked very well on my 258 I6.
there are a number of carbs that share intake bolt pattern with the
carter but this is the only one i know of intended specifically as a
carter replacement [for the bbd used on earlier 318s]. it even takes
the same aircleaner.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing wanted
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, higgy427@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Mike/List,
I offer three different style clutch, pressure plate
and throw out bearings combinations from a OEM
Performance style upgrade, Street/strip 6 puck Kevlar
performance style and all out race style 6 puck
ceramic clutches. Price and availability is dependent
on application. I also have new flywheels for the 360
and 401 engines. Contact me with your specific needs
and I can give you a price.
Thanks,
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
Message: 10
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:21:12 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes"
<eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: clutch, pressure plate, throw
out bearing
wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
<mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Comcast Mail <higgy427@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mike below is looking for a clutch, pressure plate and
throwout
bearing, if anyone wishes to help please feel free to
reply and also please
copy your reply to him and the list here as it would
help others, thanks
in advance to all who might reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
Email is currently HEAVY
5-12 day reply times, call if important
----- Original Message -----
From: higgy427@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing
Do you carry these items and how much?
Do you carry these items at a completion/heavy duty
and how much?
If not where to look!
Thanks for your time.
Mike
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:29:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Spirit U-joints
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, jackbarncord@xxxxxxx wrote:
> I was under the Spirit the other day puttin' in a new trans mount and giving the car a general going over on the bottom side. Since I was already on the creeper might as well, eh? When I got to the rear u-joint I gave it a shake, like always, habit I guess and the u-joint has play in the differential yoke, side to side maybe .075 to .100. I looked closer and the caps and all are moving in the yoke. This says wrong u-joint to me. What say ya'll?
Or assembled crazy, like the cups not behind the bumps that
hold 'em in if it's that type of retainer assembly. Easy to
fix though!
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:32:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, Brian Nelson Architect wrote:
> Yes - find a Holley 2-bbl carb - I found one on an '82 Dodge with a 318 V8,
> and it worked very well on my 258 I6.
Those drop onto the 2bbl manifold. I think Jack's got a carter
YF 1 bbl? Everyone hates those carbs but me! They are gutless
but relaible, and setup OK if the body isn't rotted from water
and crappy rebuild houses.
I got a later-model water cooled intake (and matching exhaust)
and run a Weber 32/36 DGEV on my 258 and it's GREAT.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:14:52 -0400
From: "Ronald Brown" <browroe@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Re-Build or Replace?
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I am the owner of an 87' Eagle. I bought it about a 1 1/2 years ago and
have been working on it ever since. The engine runs good, but sounds like a
bag of marbles in your hand. I had the automatic rebuilt in 2005, replaced
both rear axle bearings (outer), seals and such and changed the gear lube.
When I checked the Ring, Pinion & Spider Gears the only thing that really
looked worn was the Spider Gears. The rear makes noise when accelerating
and coasting. My question is, is it possible to replace just those Spider
Gears or should I change out the whole rear? I have heard that I can
replace the rear with a more conventional set up from a Jeep. If this is so
what should I look for? I like the car and I really bought it for my wife
but the constant attention is starting to get to me. I needs some words of
encouragement.
Ron Brown
Berwyn, Pa.
browroe@xxxxxxxxx
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:34:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Re-Build or Replace?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609252334.k8PNYAp21622@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Ronald Brown" <browroe@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" I am the owner of an 87' Eagle. I bought it about a 1 1/2 years ago and
" have been working on it ever since. The engine runs good, but sounds like a
" bag of marbles in your hand. I had the automatic rebuilt in 2005, replaced
" both rear axle bearings (outer), seals and such and changed the gear lube.
" When I checked the Ring, Pinion & Spider Gears the only thing that really
" looked worn was the Spider Gears. The rear makes noise when accelerating
" and coasting. My question is, is it possible to replace just those Spider
" Gears or should I change out the whole rear? I have heard that I can
" replace the rear with a more conventional set up from a Jeep. If this is so
" what should I look for? I like the car and I really bought it for my wife
" but the constant attention is starting to get to me. I needs some words of
" encouragement.
sure the 'rear end noise' isn't the rear u-joint? spider gears only
do anything when the car is turning. as for 'conventional', the jeep
axles are essentially the same as the eagles - hence the swap
potential.
did you change the bearings and seals because of the noise?
i can't guess at the engine noise but it sure doesn't sound good.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:36:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Re-Build or Replace?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> sure the 'rear end noise' isn't the rear u-joint? spider gears only
> do anything when the car is turning. as for 'conventional', the jeep
> axles are essentially the same as the eagles - hence the swap
> potential.
>
> did you change the bearings and seals because of the noise?
What he said :-)
> i can't guess at the engine noise but it sure doesn't sound good.
R U sure it's not something like the AIR pump, power steerin
pump, bad alternator, bad water pump bearings? They can all
make a lot of irritating noise.
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