AMC-List Digest, Vol 8, Issue 32
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Brief AMC Nats report (mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx)
2. Re: Best wishs for an AMCer (RetroRalph)
3. '62 Ambassador with 327 - starter wiring question
(Justin Shelton)
4. no list postings to me? (Justin Shelton)
5. Re: no list postings to me? (Jay)
6. Re: '62 Ambassador with 327 - starter wiring question
(Tom Jennings)
7. Re: [strokers] Moving an American, Mass to Westvirginia?
(Mark Price)
8. Fw: gremlin wanted (Eddie Stakes)
9. Daily Digest of Messages on AMC Rebel Machine (Brien Tourville)
10. Re: starting trouble in 88 cherokee...4.0L (Jim Blair)
11. amx sighting (Mike Kindle)
12. Wanted (namdra@xxxxxxxx)
13. Re: Brief AMC Nats report (namdra@xxxxxxxx)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:23:14 GMT
From: mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brief AMC Nats report
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609182023.k8IKN5Gj089908@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
RE:Brief AMC Nats report
I'm going to throw out a brief AMC Nationals report since the AMC forum has
been down for maintaince the last few days. NAMDRA had about 150 to 160 cars ,
half race and half show. Scott the track owner thought we were doing good to
hold at the same level we had last year considering gas prices and what I
consider a poor economy. The guy with the AMC powered t-bucket race car won
the race again this year not sure of his name. Don Wiese won I believe
particapants choice , not with his 66 American convertible but with his 71
Javelin and Don Pearrow won the judged show with his 70 AMX , a previous
American cup winner for AMO. We ordered more t-shirts this year and had only 5
or 6 left. The meet went about as smothly as I've even seen any meet go.
Thanks for your support. LRDaum , NAMDRA
V-P
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:27:11 -0700
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Best wishs for an AMCer
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <003701c6db60$d556b290$6400a8c0@ralphs1>
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OK, He has all best wishes... You'll have to keep us posted on how he's
doing.
______________________________________________________________
Ralph Ausmann - Hillsboro, OR - > <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx>
http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check the links"
----- Original Message -----
From: <mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Best wishs for an AMCer
> RE:Best wishs for an AMCer
>
> My good friend Mike Canada called me a couple hours ago. He's on his way
> to
> Chicago for heart transplant and got the call today. I've know Mike for
> over
> 30 years and he's always been a die hard AMCer.Let's all wish him the best
> of
> luck. thanks Larry R. Daum
> mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Justin Shelton <justinshelton@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] '62 Ambassador with 327 - starter wiring question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060918215550.93747.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi, Guys:
I got a '62 Ambassador, 327 with AT, yesterday
morning.
The car has a rebuilt engine, beautiful and
sparklingly clean. The car started and ran to drive it
on and off of my car trailer, and then started again
several times as I played with the carburetor. After
some adjustments, I turned off the car left it for a
bit, and when I returned the car will not start.
I can hear a muffled, very fast "th-th-th-th-th" from
the area where the starter is, but it is as if the
starter gear is not engaging. It was not the typical
failed solenoid single click sound.
I have put the car into "L" and rocked the car back
and forth, then when that didn't work I tapped on the
started with a mallet. But to no avail.
When I was under the car looking at the starter, I see
that a blue wire off the starter is cut. Also, when I
had the air cleaner off the car, I noticed that part
of the wiring harness is disconnected. Right behind
the coil, there are three wires that come off the
harness, a yellow to the coil, an orange one (I think)
to coolant temp sensor, and then a disconnected red
one. It looks to me like the disconnected red one is
supposed to plug into that vacuum sensor that prevents
the starter from engaging when you shift into neutral
while the car is running. If I have identified it
right, this sensor is on the intake manifold right
behind the carburetor, but the plug was busted off of
it. I pulled an extra, used vacuum sensor from my
stock of 196 parts, but it didn't solve the starting
problem when I put it on and connected the wire.
This is my first 327 engine, so I'm sort of in the
dark here. My questions are:
- where does the blue white from the starter go?
- is the vacuum sensor in fact what I found behind the
carb?
I did have a quick look at the TSM but couldn't locate
these wires in my limited time to problem solve.
If I need a replacement starter for this car, does
anyone see on on Ebay right now that will fit?
Thanks,
Justin
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Justin Shelton <justinshelton@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] no list postings to me?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060919004758.58574.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I just posted to the list about my '62 Ambo with the
327. It got me to thinking that I'd not received any
messages for a few days. I get them in digest format.
Can anyone help me out?
Now that I'm up to 7 running (or nearly-running, in
the case of my '62 Ambo) I need this list more than
ever!
- Justin
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:54:02 -0400
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] no list postings to me?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <006a01c6db86$19e88fd0$db9b1ecf@Ciampi>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I don't think there is anyone on the List right now except you and me. I am
afraid i can't help you with your starter problem you mentioned in your last
post. Maybne later on someone wil come on board and be able to help you.
Jay
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:26:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] '62 Ambassador with 327 - starter wiring
question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609181815210.6498@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Justin Shelton wrote:
> I got a '62 Ambassador, 327 with AT, yesterday
> morning.
I had a 62 Ambassador 400, 327 and push-button trans, 2nd
favorite car I ever had!
First:
> When I was under the car looking at the starter, I see
> that a blue wire off the starter is cut. Also, when I
> etc
Might be a problem there, but if the starter motor turns when
you turn the key, this is not the problem. Ignore for now.
> I can hear a muffled, very fast "th-th-th-th-th" from
> the area where the starter is, but it is as if the
> starter gear is not engaging. It was not the typical
> failed solenoid single click sound.
Of course its hard to put sounds into text, but is it the sound
of a fat electric motor spinning, that winds down to zero after
you turn the key off? Or some other noise?
If I recall, that motor doesn't use a Bendix type starter, but an
overrunning clutch type. There's probably a fat lump on the side
that is the solenoid that pushes the pinion gear into the ring
gear. The starter motor shaft is splined and the pinion slides on
it. The solenoid has a fork that pushes the pinion into the ring.
You have a TSM, right?
If the starter motor whirs, but the solenoid doesn't pull in
all the way, it won't turn the 327 over. I forget how all the
wiring goes, but if this is happening, and you didn't rewire
it recently, and nothing fell off or burned up, it's not wiring.
I think the rule of thumb with these starters is, you never
throw out old ones, and keep a spare around! You can get it
rebuilt, but may have a hard tim egettin one from AUtoZone
(though they always surprise me).
You can thump the solenoid hard with a rubber hammer (to jar it,
not dent it!) or take it out and clean and grease it. RTFM!
I had one that didn't like to pull in in cold weather, for
example.
I forget how they wear out.
> I have put the car into "L" and rocked the car back
> and forth,
Useless. It';s fluid coupled! Push at 30 mph and put into 2nd.
You are correct, there is a vacuum sensor switch screwed into
the intake manifold; it grounds the wire when there is NO
vacuum, eg. engine vacuum OPENS the switch. If the starter
motor runs this switch is fine. If it fails, it will be like
pressin NEUTRAL/start with the car off and key out -- complete
silence. (You can jumper that wire to ground in a pinch,
though the starter will grind when you push NEUTRAL with the
car running if you jumper it out.)
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:55:39 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] [strokers] Moving an American, Mass to
Westvirginia?
To: strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <27405742.1158630939271.JavaMail.root@web34>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
It figures, Both the AMC-forums and ytmag seem to be down!
What I've got so far is acording to mapquest it is abouty 625 mile one way trip. They estimate a 10.5 hour drive time. I will have to try again later.
I wish I could do the trip myself, that is out.
I saw the dr today and everything is good but it will be 5 weeks from today before the brace comes off, then I still will have to get the collar bone pin pulled. plus I will have no vacation time left at that point. :[
I'll try again tomorrow to see if I can come up with someone who is allready heading this way from there.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Carl Rogers <carl-rogers@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Try the transport section of www.ytmag.com
>
> That is an old tractor site and a lot of those guys move stuff
> around. There is a special section of the forums that is dedicated to
> moving parts and tractors from one area to another. It is worth a try.
>
> Carl
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2006, at 12:57 PM, Mark Price wrote:
>
> > Looking to see if someone is interested in moving a 65 American
> > located in bradford ma; that's part of haverhill, on the nh border
> > ~15 mi from the coast.
> > Car is on wheels, tires are flat and may not hold air, non running
> > will need winched onto trailer. I'm trying to see if I can get this
> > car moved to Morgantown, WestVirginia or Western or Southern Pa
> > area for pickup by me.
> > The car is destined for the Junkyard if someone doesn't save it.
> > Not looking for Charity, but I'm not rich either!
> > Anyone interested? I doubt a commercial hauler will touch it as it
> > will need some work to load it and I can't do anything in my
> > current condition. Plus it is too far away.
> > --
> > Mark Price
> > markprice242ATadelphia.net
> > Morgantown, WV
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:20:02 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: gremlin wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: krackerparty99@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <022b01c6db90$2b774c50$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Mike below is looking for a Gremlin to toy with after being in Iraq. Anyone who has one for sale or point him in the right direction feel free to give them a shout below and thanks in advance to all who might reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
Email is currently HEAVY
5-12 day reply times, call if important
----- Original Message -----
From: krackerparty99@xxxxxxx
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: gremlin
afternoon,
i just got back from iraq last week and i am looking for a cheap gremlin. doesnt need a motor or trans. either way if you could get back to me and fill me in that would be great. love the site and im sorry to hear about your dad.
thank you,
mike
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:57:31 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Daily Digest of Messages on AMC Rebel Machine
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <450F326B.24783.1563AF0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Daily Digest of Messages on AMC Rebel Machine
Reply
?Recommend?
Message 2 in Discussion
From: Super Machine
Welcome Eddie and thanks for the list of items....Rob
=== ===
Looks like we found a 'Home' for you Ed ;)
Brien Tourville
NEW YORK
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:26:02 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] starting trouble in 88 cherokee...4.0L
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F36E951C396E52DA3A994E7AC220@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
A: Once in a blue moon, it's the ignition switch slider gone bad (you
usually will get it to catch if you let off the switch just right) but
mostly it's the CPS or the wires going to it are melted onto the exhaust
manifold on the driver's side (I just zip tied mine back again as I smelled
cooking plastic on the way to work this AM) There is actually a CPS harness
and CPS kit available from Jeep (Last I checked in '02 when I drove to CO
and back. I wanted a spare for the trip just in case)
If that doesn't do it, start looking at connectors under the hood (undo
them all and spray with contact cleaner/anti-corrosive)
On Behalf Of
javelin@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:40 AM
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] starting trouble in 88 cherokee...4.0L
having starting trouble in cherokee...have fire going to coil
but nothing coming
out of coil...also no fire going to injectors !! are there any
fuses for
computer brain...any help greatly appreciated..thanx amc people
you have been
you have been a great resource over the
years...javelin@xxxxxxxxxxxx Quoting
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:26:26 -0700
From: "Mike Kindle" <mike90066@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] amx sighting
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY113-F252507EE75298E778AD069FC220@xxxxxxx>
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Saw a biography of Barry Goldwater on HBO and there was a shot of him
driving to the White House to talk Nixon into resigning in 1974. He was
driving an AMX.
Mike Kindle
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:09:32 -0500
From: namdra@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Wanted
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060918.120933.-16487009.1.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I need a driveshaft w/yoke for a 67 Rogue, 290, B-W T-10 4-speed. If you
have one for sale, let me know. Thanks.
Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:06:57 -0500
From: namdra@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brief AMC Nats report
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060918.120933.-16487009.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hey Larry,
Thanks for giving a small report on the '06 AMC NATIONALS but I have to
make a few corrections on your report. I will make a more complete report
to the list when I get the time. But first of all it was not the same
person who won (and you forgot to mention it was the AMC ELIMINATOR race)
last year in a T-bucket (AMC powered of course!). Last year it was Deacon
Kallish of Wauconda, IL. This year it was long time NAMDRA member, Warren
Kroll of Franksville, WI. And Don Wiese of Rockford, IL did not win the
"Participants Choice" award in the car show (he did 3 years ago with his
Rambler convertible) but it was his son, Dave Wiese of Racine, WI with
his 71 Javelin SST.
And a big thank you to all that attended the meet and to all of the
sponsors of the meet.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:23:14 GMT mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> RE:Brief AMC Nats report
>
> I'm going to throw out a brief AMC Nationals report since the AMC
> forum has
> been down for maintaince the last few days. NAMDRA had about 150 to
> 160 cars ,
> half race and half show. Scott the track owner thought we were doing
> good to
> hold at the same level we had last year considering gas prices and
> what I
> consider a poor economy. The guy with the AMC powered t-bucket race
> car won
> the race again this year not sure of his name. Don Wiese won I
> believe
> particapants choice , not with his 66 American convertible but with
> his 71
> Javelin and Don Pearrow won the judged show with his 70 AMX , a
> previous
> American cup winner for AMO. We ordered more t-shirts this year and
> had only 5
> or 6 left. The meet went about as smothly as I've even seen any meet
> go.
> Thanks for your support. LRDaum , NAMDRA
> V-P
>
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Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!!
'06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766
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