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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: chilson show (Poncho7amx@xxxxxxx)
   2. Late Production 74 AMX (markskur1@xxxxxxx)
   3. Re: Shipping a Hood (Jim Blair)
   4. Re: all AMC models names (Jim Blair)
   5. Re: Shipping a Hood (Ray Mick)
   6. Re: Shipping the Hood (JOE FULTON)
   7. Re: shipping a hood (Eddie Stakes)
   8. Re: all AMC model names (Eddie Stakes)
   9. Re: all AMC models names (Sandwich Maker)
  10. Re: Blown Pacer (Mr. AMC)
  11. =milnersXcoupe= (Brien Tourville)
  12. Re: Blown Pacer (John Elle)
  13. Blown Pacer (Brien Tourville)
  14. 63 Rambler - Runs (JOE FULTON)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 08:25:30 EDT
From: Poncho7amx@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] chilson show
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <523.6766118.322c23ba@xxxxxxx>
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it was great but the rain had to put a damper on it. the food was good and  
the people were frendly. thanks to gordy again


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 10:02:33 -0400
From: markskur1@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Late Production 74 AMX
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Here's a tough one to figure out:
The 74 AMX that I bought from Fred Phillip's collection was built in August 1974 and has the "urban legend" steel hood.
I am trying to determine how rare a genuwine steel hood 74 AMX is.
Out of the 4980 built in 1974, how many would you estimate were built from Aug-Nov 1974?
 
Thanks,
Mark Skurnick
74 Mellow Yellow AMX Survivor
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:01:33 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shipping a Hood
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F216E7C5B4276C03A2987CCAC320@xxxxxxx>
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A: I shipped a Grand Wagoneer tailgate to Noo Joisey. It arrived in unusable 
condition and unceremoniously returned and dumped on my front lawn without 
the slightest hint of why. I was lucky to be home and catch the driver who 
THREW it over my fence! ( I heard the thump and came out to investigate) 
There was a tire track across the package that I found out came from the 
truck of the driver in Jersey. Same driver had been fined by the company 
previously for DRAGGING a genuine Leonardo Da Vinci bust on pedestal across 
the street and LEAVING it on the sidewalk rather than pull into their more 
than adequate size parking lot! (same company restored art) He caused 
$50,000 damage to the bust and nearly wiped out one of Leonardo's works 
permanently.
   Took me a long time to get the money out of UPS (in the meantime I had to 
refund the seller's money) Granted that's the only problem I've had with UPS 
other than them taking apart a crate I built for a 727 trans (they tried to 
claim in Texas that the package was over the weight limit by 50 lbs, but I 
used the UPS scale in Seattle to weigh it and had the slip to prove it. They 
tried to bill me for 3 shipping pieces but that didn't fly either)


From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Shipping a Hood
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <44FA7662.11835.20F160@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII


I'm still 'doin a Nose Job & have a hood
I need to get home from Oakdale CT. 06370
to New Paltz, NY 12561.

The drive is some 3+ hours being 6 round trip
with a good wind behind the Cherokee -
gas alone would probably pay shipping costs:

anyone ship a Hood before ?


   Brien Tourville
      NEW YORK


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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:03:37 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] all AMC models names
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1B058A087EEB4330C9C53AC320@xxxxxxx>
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I don't see the Sportabout or 77 Hornet AMX, or '78 up Concord AMX.

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:09:17 -0500
From: Ray Mick <rmick@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shipping a Hood
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <C18A2D63-435B-4DDE-93FA-E064092FA3CC@xxxxxxx>
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I have shipped a hood via Greyhound before. Covered it in cardboard  
sent it halfway across country for 55 dollars. Had to be picked up at  
the terminal.
On Sep 3, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Brien Tourville wrote:

>
> I'm still 'doin a Nose Job & have a hood
> I need to get home from Oakdale CT. 06370
> to New Paltz, NY 12561.
>
> The drive is some 3+ hours being 6 round trip
> with a good wind behind the Cherokee -
> gas alone would probably pay shipping costs:
>
> anyone ship a Hood before ?
>
>
>    Brien Tourville
>       NEW YORK
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Ray Mick
Somewhere in Kansas
"The older I get the faster I was"
72 Javelin/AMX
72 Javelin R/W/B SST
71 Javelin
See my Javelin @
http://community.webshots.com/album/54361408pRyvWE

My RWB Javelin@ http://members.cox.net/jvlnnut/Site/My%20Space.html

Mid America AMC
www.midamericaamc.com





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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 09:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shipping the Hood
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060903161128.14905.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Well, don't laugh but I have used Greyhound package
express to ship one Gremlin door and two Rambler
Classic fenders to separate buyers in the last few
months.   All items arrived OK, but I had to do the
work to package them correctly.  I used hot water pipe
insulation foam for all the sharp edges and covered
the flat surfaces with cardboard bound by copious
amounts of packing tape or duct tape.  Gonna be
shipping a Javelin door this week the same way.  

I think a Gremlin hood will meet the dimension limits
of Greyhound, but to be sure, go to their website and
check the info there.  The buyer has to be willing to
pick up the item at the arriving terminal.

I have used DHL, which has more generous dimension
limits to ship a front clip which was about seven feet
long, packaged.  It was more of a hassle (finding a
terminal etc.) but the package arrived safely.

Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA


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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:16:37 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] shipping a hood
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <008901c6cf80$a06b2de0$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Brian, if it is that close to you, it would be in best interest to go pick 
it up. I shipped a 70 Javelin hood from Houston to Los Angeles a few months 
ago, and shipping was $480. The company would later reduce it to around $200 
as the buyer, who paid shipping costs, was a good customer. Regardless, with 
fuel prices high, many shippers are tacking 'fuel surcharges' onto larger 
items like hoods, fenders, and what not. I just sent a pair of fenders, this 
time by FedEx up to Rick Johnson in MA, shipping was $93 for the set, not 
bad, and I used a furniture box.

If you have any furniture places in your area, or exexcise equipment places 
near you, go dig thru trash as you will find some really good sturdy boxes. 
On the hood, I used bubble wrap around all corners, and places thin foam on 
front outside of hood. Then I cut the box to fit the hood, using lots of 
tape, so it conforms to the hood itself. Never have had one damaged. 
Possibly cheapest way to ship it is FedEx, then UPS. Greyhoud is a 
possibility but a pain in the ass. Good luck,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:24:22 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] all AMC model names
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <008a01c6cf80$a0a92140$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Thsnks  Frank for the list. And as Stu asked:

Frank
I assume you have US only info here?

Otherwise there would be Argentinean Torino

And Australian
Rambler Javelins
Rambler Hornets
& Rambler Matadors

Maybe Mexican names as well

Oh Yeah the American in Iran was a Shaheen

I have a NOS nametag for one of them :)

Stu

Without going off topic, maybe that American in Iran the nameplates would 
now be called Infidel? I would like a nameplate for that! On the Mexican 
cars, you had all sorts of them like Lerma, Llanero, Rallye, American, AMX, 
to name a few that come to mind. Here are two sites, one is Bob Wilson's on 
Arcticboy:
http://www.arcticboy.com/Pages/arcticboysvam.html
the other off my own site dealing with VAM:
http://www.clubramblermexico.8m.net/
and more on Argentina Torinos:
http://torino.s5.com/

Speaking of which, I have been trying to help a fellow AMcer in argentina 
who has a 1981 Pacer, he needs a grill, taillights and front amber turn 
lights also if anyone has them, look the same for all Pacers I guess.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:07:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] all AMC models names
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609031807.k83I7r923762@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: "amckiwi" <amckiwi@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" 
" Oh Yeah the American in Iran was a Shaheen

i have heard two names, shaheen and arya [aria?].  i don't know what,
if anything, distinguishes them.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:58:53 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Blown Pacer
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <14134-44FB33FD-1618@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

Personally I don't see really anything wrong with the car except the
brand "X" engine. With a blown AMC 401 and some nice wheels and some
detailing it could be a nice car. The boy's at NAMDRA I am sure would
agree with me. Pacer's were never my thing but it is still a savable AMC
with the right engine. The chopped top is hardly noticeable and in my
opinion makes the car look less boxy.
"Doc"



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:44:16 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] =milnersXcoupe=
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <44FB1470.24510.2081E21@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII



Date: Sunday, September 3, 2006 12:16 PM
From: eddiestakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Brian, if it is that close to you, it would be in best interest to go 
pick
it up. I shipped a 70 Javelin hood from Houston to Los Angeles a few 
months
ago, and shipping was $480. I just sent a pair of fenders, this
time by FedEx up to Rick Johnson in MA, shipping was $93 for the set, 
not
bad, and I used a furniture box.


Possibly cheapest way to ship it is FedEx, then UPS. Greyhoud is a
possibility but a pain in the ass. Good luck,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825



===   ===



Thanks !  Road Trip it is then - Cherokee gets new Alt. / Serp Belt / 
Muff / EFinjector seals / O2 sensor / Oil / front springs next week - 
should be good for a Max Effort to Ct. > radio is on the 'Fritz' 
...... bummer ....... .

Bought the Nose off an '89 Dodge Daytona - in Red - has the Factory 
Air Dam & driving lights & Turbo 'Blister' Hood, both fenders , front 
'Nose' facia & hide away headlamps > 'clean' .

Hood is wider than the Eagle - will grind the circumferences of the 
Daytona hood - remove it from that frame & mount it to the Eagle hood 
frame, sounds easy.....Right ?

;)  luck has it as a neighbours is a retired Shop Teacher - recently 
built a Beach Boys replica '32 Deuce - has an English Wheel metal 
shaper machine too - his Wife runs around in a 'Spyder' Turbo Corvair 
.... Should be interesting !

The 6spd. 2004 Lexus LS430 Trans ships out from Detroit next Saturday 
- goes to New Jersey :  www.importperformancetrans.com  - or - 
www.IPT.com > great shop, check it out on the .net .

John will go thru the Trans. - has some Mods to make it live behind 
the LL8 :

http://tinyurl.com/qhjwt

Travis is doing the 'Ground Breaking' for the Turbo on this engine - 
with STOCK internals he's projecting 450HP - and being the engine is 
around 400lbs. > I can just unlatch the 'Fun in the Sun' sun-roof - 
punch the accelerator & the Sun-roof will open by itself ;) [ while 
the Uni-Body emulates spaghetti 'Os' ] ............


I know ........ but hey, first Eagle Kammback I'd ever seen had an
'ooozing' GM 4cyl. under the bonnet & this '6' version is 290HP 
Stock !


The guys on Strokers.com bench raced a 'concept engine' for the next 
Generation 'JEEP' I-6 to replace the 4.0 > end result was the LL8 - 
so an 'Tissue' apology won't be forthcoming anytime soon.......>

One GM Original Intent for the DOHC LL8 was the CORVETTE - harking 
back to the 'Blue Flame Six' of the '53 - '55 'Vette - 

thankfully, they went into Delivery Vans & SUV Blimps.


Next consideration is the IRS - and as the Kammback has a short 
wheelbase, weight matters alot >

 I swapped ends in a '64 Porsche once - once is enough !


http://www.fi-r.net/images2/TurboTrailblazerBurnout.wmv


Burnout sound isn't impressive [SUV Blimp] - sounds like the  1-2 
shift is goofy, but it pulls nicely once underway.



OK - .............that's 'True Confessions' > 


I've air-nailed sheet plywood over my windows & the Post Office will 
be holding all deliveries until checked for Anthrax !  




     milnersXcoupe
       NEW YORK


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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:22:40 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Blown Pacer
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000201c6cfa7$7c331b50$45dd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

SNIP
 <http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/202381294.html>
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/202381294.html
It's sad what some people do to cars.
SNIP
 
At face value I don't see what is so sad about this. An enthusiast has
taken an AMC product as a base, modified it to his particular desires
and is offering it for sale at a price that is 4 times or better of what
a stock one would go for on e-bay.
 
Depending on what the rest of the car looks like it looks like a good
deal if you like bazaar street racers.
Seems to me this type of thing at this time may deserve stepping back
and taking another good look as to re-evaluating the benefits of
expanding out the definition of an AMC hobby!
 
If I had to guess on this one there stands a good chance he will get his
money out of it. 
John 
 
 
 


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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:12:35 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Blown Pacer
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <44FB3733.23207.28FE876@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII



Date: Sunday, September 3, 2006 01:12 AM
From: Jim B <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/202381294.html
It's sad what some people do to cars.

__________________________________________________________


hell NO @!   that Top Chop alone is worth the price of entry - given 
the car is Tubbed with a 9" and a 350 trans. 'modded' > damn that is 
a very good price !

I wouldn't want the Engine - way too 'Old School'  'jimmy' blower 
can't see a thing lump - I'd find a lighter 'healthy' something & a 
www.mjmturbos.com 'squeezer' for a 'streetable' combination - a very
hip ride for the AMC 'Purist-tisimo' ;)



   Brien Tourville
      NEW YORK


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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:53:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 63 Rambler - Runs
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060904005328.24108.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I have been having some fun with the 63 Rambler
American hardtop this weekend.  I need to get the car
running so it is easy to move in and out of my
driveway and would not be blocking other cars.  In a
perfect world, this car can be a replacement daily
driver to replace the 1980 Spirit that I finally sold
last week.

I was intially surprised that the car ran when I
brought it home.  The last license sticker was 1990
but that sticker was on new CA replacement plates
(which I found in the trunk) so I don't know if the
car was actually on the road in 1990.  There appeared
to be fresh oil in the crankcase (amber color, not
black) and it had a new air cleaner element and new
tires all the way around.  It ran but there was a
coolant leak in the "crossover" pipe which runs under
the exhaust manifold back to the heater core inlet on
the firewall.  I had to block off that opening for
now, until I have time to remove the obstructions and
replace that pipe. 

After getting it running, I found that the carb needs
a rebuild because of the faulty accelerator pump. 
Friday I gave up on the existing WCD carburetor and
decided to use another spare WCD which was in the
trunk of the car, along with several other spare
parts.  I had a little trouble removing the old carb
because the manifold studs were left almost too long
and getting access to the nuts was difficult on one
side.  After degreasing the exterior of the
replacement carb yesterday and installing it, the car
started and ran better and most importantly it didn't
stall on acceleration like it did with the old carb. 
I had ruined the carb to manifold gasket when I
installed the new carb so I made a new one out of
rather thin gasket paper.  I could tell I had some
vacuum leaks at the end of the day, which prevented a
good smooth idle.

Today, I used some RTV around the base of the carb as
a temporary measure until I could make a better gasket
and I reset the idle mixture to account for the better
vacuum. The result was a factory smooth steady idle.  
Next step was to try to feed gas from the gas tank
instead of an auxilliary can.  I put a few gallons of
gas in the tank along with some carb cleaner and found
out the fuel pump would not deliver fuel from the
tank.  So I emptied the gas tank of the old gas and
dropped it down to have a look. Lots of varnish but
not much rust, from what I can see.  The sender unit
was all gunked up and had no sock filter on the end,
allowing the suction pipe to be full of old varnish
and dirt.  I have a replacement sender unit (also from
the trunk of that car) and plan to put it in tomorrow
after cleaning the tank.  Hope to be on the road by
tomorrow at noon.

I always enjoy waking one of these old cars from the
dead, and this one has been fun so far to work with. 

I did spot some corrosion in the unibody structure
almost directly underneath the front suspension.  I
think the area can be patched fairly easily.  If I get
it running dependably tomorrow I'll start cleaning the
interior and other appearance items.

Joe Fulton
Salinas CA  


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