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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Edda Muh Cayshun (Tom Jennings)
2. Re: Fw: I have a question on shocks (Tom Jennings)
3. Re: Educating... (Tom Jennings)
4. Re: What to do (Jim Blair)
5. Re: What to do (Jim Blair)
6. Re: (no subject) (Jim Blair)
7. educating the ignorant (russ hathaway)
8. AMC Owner Directory (Michael Bailey)
9. Re: I have a question on shocks/Front Shocks (John Elle)
10. Confused (Mahoney, John)
11. Re: 242 fuel injection question (John Elle)
12. Re: Fw: I have a question on shocks
(francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
13. 65 Wagoneer for sale - no motor, no title
(francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Edda Muh Cayshun
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Michael Bailey wrote:
> Try printing this out and keeping it in your glove
> compartment.
> m.
>
> http://faculty.concord.edu/chrisz/hobby/67-DataBook/DataBook-Eng/111.JPG
But its what gots a tie poe innit -- "GMC" is mispelt "AMC"! Sheesh!
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: I have a question on shocks
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> From what I remember for Franks car a 71-73 Mustang shock will fit. But maybe that was for the American body,
Here's a paste-in from my parts spreadsheet. Sorry for the bad
formatting. 64 is identical to 63.
63 Rambler Classic Shocks, front Monroe #1069 obso, new #31069, apps: 65-72 Mustang rear? 56-70 Ford Fairlane (F or R)? Also KYB KG5517 gasadjust KYB 343219 GR2 line.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:16:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Educating...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Jim Blair wrote:
> much better thing to do would be to gently point him in the direction of a
> Jeep with a 6 cyl in it!
Don't do that! Then they'll insist AMC got it from Jeep!
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:31:00 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What to do
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: My '87 Comanche shortbox (built before Der Chrysler takeover) with AMC
4.0L (230,000 miles) 5 speed (Peugeot BA 10/5 2wd cuz I haven't had
time/place to change it yet), D30 front and D35/M15 rear (3.73 gears and
33/9.5/15 tires on stock Jeep steel rims with 6" front lift and rear SOA)
with canopy and a bunch of recovery gear, tools, etc makes a daily drive to
and from work. (except for one day last week when someone broke in and stole
all my fuses. Fortunately I had the harness from a '90 XJ that I plan to put
in handy and I was on my way in 10 minutes)
Today, it will be getting an oil change (15W40 NAPA synthetic which cuts
down smoke and blowby) and a further rinse (Mother Nature did a partial job
last night) and if I find the tool, I'll also be checking the oil in my
trans. (9mm square drive isn't available through NAPA anymore and Snapon
wants $20 for it)
Then my '73 J4000 with 304 (from '77 AMX), tired nailhead TH400 (OEM), BW
1339 (OEM modified) with part time kit and 16% O/D, D44 closed knuckle front
(OEM) and Dana 60 full float rear (from a J20) with matching 3.73 gears, but
different size tires front (28.8") and rear (33/12.50/16.5") because I
haven't changed my front axle yet. (I haven't used 4x4 since I first got the
truck, but I have used low range while towing a lot in hilly takeoffs but
the chain slips now) will be going to pick up 3 clawfoot bathtubs (engine
hoist works nice for that job!) after it gets new plugs and some oil in the
tcase and diffs (already put the 15W40 Delo in the motor)
Then it'll be taking a trip to my cabin, where I will unload the best of
the 3 and load up the old one that the previous owners (who must've liked to
show off cuz they had it set up in the yard) left behind. That will probably
be the end of my AMC day. (total mileage @150)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] What to do
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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<20060808154441.9443.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Drove my Gremlin to breakfast. Where did your AMC
go?
m.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:34:21 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What to do
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F25DDE0D32FBE8C72B62FC9AC4B0@xxxxxxx>
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A: My '87 Comanche shortbox (built before Der Chrysler takeover) with AMC
4.0L (230,000 miles) 5 speed (Peugeot BA 10/5 2wd cuz I haven't had
time/place to change it yet), D30 front and D35/M15 rear (3.73 gears and
33/9.5/15 tires on stock Jeep steel rims with 6" front lift and rear SOA)
with canopy and a bunch of recovery gear, tools, etc makes a daily drive to
and from work. (except for one day last week when someone broke in and stole
all my fuses. Fortunately I had the harness from a '90 XJ that I plan to put
in handy and I was on my way in 10 minutes)
Today, it will be getting an oil change (15W40 NAPA synthetic which cuts
down smoke and blowby) and a further rinse (Mother Nature did a partial job
last night) and if I find the tool, I'll also be checking the oil in my
trans. (9mm square drive isn't available through NAPA anymore and Snapon
wants $20 for it)
Then my '73 J4000 with 304 (from '77 AMX), tired nailhead TH400 (OEM), BW
1339 (OEM modified) with part time kit and 16% O/D, D44 closed knuckle front
(OEM) and Dana 60 full float rear (from a J20) with matching 3.73 gears, but
different size tires front (28.8") and rear (33/12.50/16.5") because I
haven't changed my front axle yet. (I haven't used 4x4 since I first got the
truck, but I have used low range while towing a lot in hilly takeoffs but
the chain slips now) will be going to pick up 3 clawfoot bathtubs (engine
hoist works nice for that job!) after it gets new plugs and some oil in the
tcase and diffs (already put the 15W40 Delo in the motor)
Then it'll be taking a trip to my cabin, where I will unload the best of
the 3 and load up the old one that the previous owners (who must've liked to
show off cuz they had it set up in the yard) left behind. That will probably
be the end of my AMC day. (total mileage @150)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] What to do
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<20060808154441.9443.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Drove my Gremlin to breakfast. Where did your AMC
go?
m.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:35:31 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] (no subject)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F18571FF26826B5DF5F78A4AC4B0@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
A: You mean I'm not the only one on this list with more than one buckle?
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] (no subject)
.
I do understand that nothing I do will make a
difference. But I choose to practice my silly little
hobby in my own way. Too many bullrides in my youth,
probably. But I promise to keep it short from now on.
m.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:36:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] educating the ignorant
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hemmings had an article last year on the birth and
development of the 232. Very interesting as usual, as
Hemmings is top notch. Yes it is AMC through and through.....Russ
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:58:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Owner Directory
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>...was their thought of creating an AMC Owner
Directory.
>Basically a booklet list of everyone who owns an AMC
and >that would be
>willing to help out a fellow AMC'er in trouble.
------> I think this is a great idea, and will be
happy to go on the list in the Phoenix area.
m.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:45:48 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] I have a question on shocks/Front Shocks
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Elle [mailto:johnelle@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 2:43 PM
To: 'mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Re: I have a question on shocks/Front Shocks
The following part numbers are for Front Shocks for the trunion
front suspension cars, 1969 and earlier. These shocks seems to be
a discontinued or limited addition shock absorber depending on
the manufacturer. Any description I have for the shock absorber
is listed if known, other wise it is just a part number and I do not
know the quality
These shock absorbers will fit the front only for AMC/RAMBLER
automobiles as follows
American 1964 - 1969
Javelin 1968 & 1969
AMX 1968 & 1969
Note:
They also can be found on the back of:
Ford Pinto 1971 - 1980
Mercury Bobcat 1975 - 1980
NAPA LE10006 - Gas charged Delux Limited Addition
Gabriel - 82069
Monroe - LE10006
KYB - KG4503 Gas-A-Just Shock absorber
KYB - 55472 Heavy Duty Oil
Delco - 520-318
Firestone - 48480.
Carrera - 3956ss heavy duty model. Steel small body, chrome.
Carrera - 2657 standard model. Economy. White painted Steel.
www.carrerashocks.com
When I generated this information the following shocks were listed
to fit AMC applications but had something quirky about the fit such
as with adapter kits, or discontinued etc. I think but I failed to list
the quirk.
The following Shock Absorber will fit:
Ambassador, Rebel & Marlin 1966 - 1969 Front
Gabriel 82077 Classic Shock Absorber
Carrera 3265e + 1551-Kit (Premium)
Carrera 2857 (Standard)
Ambassador Rebel & Marlin 1962 - 1965 Front
Gabriel 82096 Classic Shock Absorber
Carrera 3265s + 1551 Kit, Premium.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:56:22 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Confused
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>
He's probably confusing it with the Chev 230.
<<
Or with the Studebaker 230,
http://misheli.image.pbase.com/v3/30/250930/1/44975333.Studebaker230.jpg
with the "Supersonic" 230,
http://www.kfnut.com/1951models/page7.html
(aka the AMC Tornado 230),
http://home.off-road.com/~jseries/kaisereng.html
or with the Chrysler 230? Dodge the dummies! Start your own engine!
It's not hard to "Get-Away" from all the car idiots out there. READ!
http://www.tocmp.com/brochures/Dodge/1955/pages/1955%20Dodge-07_jpg.htm
>>
give him some literature indicating that the 232 was made by AMC not GM
<<
Or give him a thumbs-up if he says the 232 was made by Studebaker also.
http://www.seattlesdc.hypermart.net/Odd3.JPG
>>
the worlds dirtiest foundry. My understanding Chrysler closed it down after buying AMC and there are still worker lawsuit on health issues on going.
<<
While Holmes was 100% acquired by AMC in 1970 (the year before it bought Canadian Fabricated Products, in Stratford, to make interior trim, too), but before both quarter-interest or Chapin's full purchase, the facility was known for asbestos pollution --- almost seven THOUSAND times what is legal today. It came to be called the most dangerous worksite in Canada due to its years as an -insulation- maker. That situation had been seen as early as 1958, but AMC, like most major manufacturers of its era, saw neither health nor environmental consequences in keeping the status quo.
http://www.ohcow.on.ca/clinics/sarnia/docs/IJOEH_Holmes.pdf
>>
I'll be home from Afghanistan sometime in the 15-20 September timeframe.
if there is a show within a 3-4 hour drive of Dover I'd surely like to know
<<
Frank, you missed the Newark DE (the Grand National, not a Regional) show by a week or two; you would miss the Chilson AMC family reunion if one were held in 2006 around Labor Day, and you even missed one of the world's finest shows (that I, too, missed during my purposely "no-show" summer that's almost gone...),
http://retro-classics-meets-barock.de/2006_bildergalerie.html
and just about everyone will miss a big blowout weekend of car shows
http://pebblebeachconcours.net/
http://www.concorso.com/
and auctions, one with a car for AMC lovers to love,
http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1974_amc_amx/6553.html
and races, where AMC lovers'll love to see AMCs run,
http://www.montereyhistoric.com/event/participate.html
alone or in groups (like 6A), but you'll be back in time for four AACA shows not far from Dover:
9/21 Bay Country Region Easton DE
9/21 Tri Country Region Broadway VA
9/21 Harford Region Bel Air MD
9/28 Northern Neck Region Warsaw VA
and a show for mudders and chocoholics:
10/4 Fall Eastern Division Hershey PA
where the AACA Library & Research Center's 25th Anniversary will also be celebrated with tours and extended hours 10/2-6. Take paper and pencil.
Finally, if you think all NYC cars are painted either black or yellow, I think you may want to Rambler all the way up to Central Park. A "first" for the Big Apple --- and prettier than gates draped with orange cloth.
http://www.newyorkcityconcoursdelegance.com/
A comment; feel free to ignore:
Since Super Rod was conceived as a "class act" --- a step above several long-established titles in its niche, it shouldn't confuse Rambler with Studebaker or Chevrolet with Ford --- but in this age when no one cares about the difference between "grille" and "grill" or when "The New York Times" and "The New Yorker" sometimes don't care whether subjects agree with verbs, it's not too surprising. America is dumb today; Automotive America is dumber. It's sad, but it's all around us. It won't improve 'til we set higher standards for our institutions, citizens, and selves. Until we demand accountability of our Presidents, Congresses, all state and local governments, and of the AFL-CIO, AFSME, NEA and more, America will become dumber, poorer, and sadder; and so, sadly, less than it was.
A puzzle; feel free to respond:
While the Nash Ambassador was called the Kenosha Cadillac, the first car on the AMC family tree to copy an "exclusive" of Cadillac was neither a Nash nor an Ambassador. What and when?
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:11:39 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 242 fuel injection question
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The Jeep engine manual published by Daimler Benz (Mopar) recommends
the following cams
Phase 1 Duration 240/240 overlap 24 degrees Lift .430/.430
Phase 2 Duration 248/248 overlap 32 degrees Lift .440/.440
Phase 3 Duration 256/256 overlap 40 degrees Lift .450/.450
The Phase represents a performance objective and the cams are more
aggressive for each phase.
I run an Iskenderian 256 super cam in my fuel injected 258 and am
quite happy with it,
Duration 256/256 Lift .450 and 111 degree lob center.
It has a good idle and pulls hard up through 5500 rpm.
It seems to me a lobe center around 110 degree or better is recommended
for a fuel injected configured engine whether philosophy has changed or
not I do not know.
For using a final drive of 3.50:1 for general driving with a 1:1 final
gear in
your transmission, I would think that the gearing is bit short for a
long stroke
I-6 engine. They are not happy rpm engines and I would think overall
performance
would not be satisfactory, 'specially gas mileage. Something closer to a
low
3:1 would seem more appropriate to me, but to each it's own.
I also do not subscribe to the theory that an old I-6 engine is a torque
monster
'cause they're not. Check the specs. What little torque they do develop
is generally
around 1500 rpm and then they run out of power so my preference is to
build an I6
as a little horse-power engine and cam accordingly. They are a lot more
fun that way.
There are plenty of options out there and lots of manufacturers. Check
with the tech.
support group for your cam shaft manufacturer of choice for additional
information.
I have used a number of Iskenderian cams over the years and their tech
support
has always been a first class group.
John
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:02:58 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: I have a question on shocks
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I think you're talkiing about me... Anyway, the 63-64 Classic front
shock have bayonet (stud) ends. In 65 they changed to a stud on top and
an eye on the bottom. All AMC did was bolt a "U" bracket where the
bayonet formerly went on the lower arm. The eye end is a lot more
flexible and fast acting, so it restricts movement a lot less than the
bayonet end. The upper part doesn't pivot much, but the arm end does!
The eye types are much easier to match to a modern shock. It's pretty
easy to make a bracket from 1/8" thick, 1" wide steel bar, a vise, and
drill. I strongly recommend it!
The Mustang shock was probably for a later model with eye lower mount or
the American.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Price [mailto:markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 5:06 PM
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Swygert Francis G MSgt 451 AEG/CE
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: I have a question on shocks
Years ago one of the shock companies had a full online catalog of every
shock they made. It had all the demensions. It was an Adobe file format
too IIRC. I have searched for it several times and not been able to find
it's match. Believe me I could kick myself for not saving a copy to
disc!
From what I remember for Franks car a 71-73 Mustang shock will fit.
But maybe that was for the American body, Could even be the Rebel shock
Eddie is looking for! KYB had a listing IIRC that showed an AMC body
with the 71-73 mustang included for the same shock. tyrf looking for a
front KYB shock for a 71-73 Mustang then see if you can get the same
shock to come up for an AMC. Then you should be able to get one a bit
cheaper then the custom shock. The American shocks on my front are low
pressure gas Gabriels IIRC and they came in at less then $15 ea at
Advance.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Gabriel has a special order program where they will look up the specs
> and make a shock to fit obsolete applications. They use the closest
> fitting production shock and customize the ends. Sears Auto Centers
> can order them, but any Gabriel outlet should be able to. I got shocks
> for the front of my 63 Classic like that, took about six weeks for
> them to come in though. They will be radial tuned gas shocks, so if
> you're running bias ply tires on a resto the ride will be a bit
rougher.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:54:28 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 65 Wagoneer for sale - no motor, no title
To: <msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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What do you need to know about the engine? You can't get ready made
speed parts for it, but it responds to anything you'd do to a newer one.
Rebuild parts are more expensive, but can be found at Kanter (e-mail or
call if not shown on www.kanter.com) and some AMC vendors like Galvins
(www.ramblerparts.com) and Blaser's (www.blaserauto.com). Few prts other
than tune-up and maybe fuel and water pumps will be available from the
local parts stores. NAPA will be the one most likely to be able to get
parts, as the engines were used in a few industrial applications and by
Graymarine for boats.
The only hindrance to using the engine in mainly stock form is the
transmission bolt pattern. It's strictly AMC, and unique to the GEN-1
V-8 (56-61 250, 63-66 287, 57-66 327). Jeep did, however, use a TH-400
behind the 327. This was not a standard Chevy pattern trans though. It
was the "universal" TH-400 -- the Buick "Nailhead" trans. GM sold this
to several other companies -- Jeep and Jaguar the most notable -- for
use with an adapter. The Buick Nailhead V-8 had a deep flange for the
trans, so the bell had to be an inch or so shorter for that engine. This
made it ideal for other applications that needed an adapter. The AMC 327
adapter is about an inch thick and made of cast iron. Other than the
case it's a regular TH-400. The adapter can be hard to find, and I think
there is a spacer required for the torque converter. The spacer can be
made easy enough, it's usually not pulled with the adapter as people
simply don't realize it's there.
All parts among the three sizes interchange. The 250 used solid lifters,
the others hydraulics. The 250 also has smaller valves -- I'm pretty
sure the 287 and 327 use the same size valves. The crank and rods are
the same for all three, and are forged steel. The difference is the
bores: 250 - 3.50", 287 - 3.75", 327 - 4.00". The bore is cast in the
block just behind the right cylinder head. It's on top, not behind the
bell, but it's very hard to see with the engine in the car and the heads
on. A small flashlight and inspection mirror come in handy! Should be
more room in the Jeep, but Jeep only used the 327.
The 250 was used in the 56 Nash Ambassador Special and 56 Hudson Hornet
Special two door sedans that first year. These were actually the shorter
wheelbase (and a little lighter) Statesman and Wasp bodies with Ambo and
Hornet trim. In 57 the full size Ambo/Hornet got the 327 and the 250 was
put in the Rambler. The exception was the special edition 327 Rebel.
Starting in 1958 the 250 went into the Rambler Rebel exclusively. This
ws the same as the Rambler Six, just the V-8. The Rebel was given it's
own name and series number though (Series 20). The 250 was dropped after
1961. The 62 Ambo and Classic shared the same wheelbase, and AMC made
the V-8 exclusive to the Ambo to further differentiate the cars. Dealers
didn't like this because of the price premium of the Ambo (most of which
they ordered with or dealer installed dress up options). AMC responded
by coming out with the 287 as an option for the Classic in mid 63. It
was only used in the Classic -- you still had to buy an Ambo to get the
big V-8. Americans didn't get a V-8 until the 1966 intro of the smaller
GEN-2 290. Only the 290 was made in 66. The 343 was introduced in 67
when the GEN-1 was dropped. It is believed that AMC kept building the
327, at least in batches, through at least 1967 for use in Jeeps, by
Graymarine, and maybe some industrial applications. May have been in
limited production through 1968 or 69 for warranty work.
Hope this helps!
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