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Today's Topics:
1. Sunday car show (dan whitehead)
2. Re: This must not stand (dan whitehead)
3. On the way to Dayton Nationals 2006 (Richard Estermyer)
4. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9 (Michael Bailey)
5. Re: Rust solution (Michael Bailey)
6. Re: Rust Solution - www.weremoverust.com (Peter Marano)
7. Re: Front end parts (Michael Bailey)
8. Re: Rust solution (Mark Price)
9. OT: Those Crafty BP Guys (JOE FULTON)
10. Re: 258 header (Mark Price)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:44:16 +0000
From: "dan whitehead" <freebird_58@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Sunday car show
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Anyone close to the southern Wisconsin area, there is a show in Brodhead (40
miles south of Madison, 40 northwest of Rockford) Sunday from 11:00 - 3:00.
This is a non-judged show, just for fun as it is Brodheads 150th birthday
party. There are things going on all around town this weekend and it would
be great to see more than my Javelin there. Brodhead is on highway 11
approx. 20 miles west of Janesville WI.
Dan Whitehead
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:49:14 +0000
From: "dan whitehead" <freebird_58@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] This must not stand
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If anyone has read this magazine, I've noticed a few errors such as this.
But all in all, this is one of the best mags that I've seen on the shelf out
there today. The variety of cars and in depth articles are normally
excellent.
Dan
> Thanks to Eddie Stakes for pointing out that I
>neglected to mention the particular issue of Super Rod
>magazine to which I was referring in my earlier post. It is the September
>issue, currently on grocery store
shelves, probably due to change any time. The name of
the article was "Alternatives under 5K". At least
they recognized that AMC was a good choice in this
range, but the black eye they put on it sort of
negates that, in my humble opinion. Hey! I just
figured out what the hell "IMHO" means...
mike
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:15:46 -0400
From: "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] On the way to Dayton Nationals 2006
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Hey Gang,
Just had to relate my AMO Nationals experience as I have a lot of people to
thank!
Also a lot of left over pre-printed t-shirts and a couple AMC Javelin parts
are going on e-bay today.
Richard
Richard Estermyer
6235 S. Mohawk Avenue
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx
I have a 1975 Matador Station wagon. 7 passenger car I bought in
Richmond, VA in November 2005. I brought it back to MI and have been
driving it ever since, paying only $250. Before Dayton Nationals I replaced
the radiator and water pump. Went and replaced all hoses, belts and put
everything in its place.
I left Thursday around 5pm and as I got to Toledo, I stopped for gas
and it would not start. Well, I had left the cooler plugged in and thought
maybe the battery was not up to par. I got a jump and was on my way. It
started to rain hard so on went the headlights and windshield wipers. Boy,
the wiper motor must be getting old, cause it was barely wiping. Now it is
also starting to run poorly, what gives? When the rain stopped and I shut
off the headlights, zoom, it ran better! Oh no, the alternator must be bad.
I got off at Bowling Green in hopes to find an AutoZone. I came to a
stop at a light on State Route 25 right across from the Chamber of Commerce.
Immediately, a man and his son came up. They pushed me back from the
intersection out of the way. They said they just got their dinner with
their family and if I was still there afterwards they would drive me to
wherever I needed to go.
I got on the cell phone to my wife to get the number for road service. A
city police officer came up and got out to help. Officer Rot?? Told me
about his first car was a 77 Monte Carlo and could relate to big boat cars.
As I got the call back from the towing company, saying they would be a bit
later because of needing the flat bed truck, I mentioned I was fine as an
officer was with me and I was OK. We?ll be right out if it can be towed
with a traditional truck, it can.
Tow guy was there quickly and very helpful and I called AutoZone
(#1969) and they said it would be fine to drop it on their side lot. We got
there and as always, for me, the AutoZone people were more than helpful.
Looked up every possibility and the only thing they could get for it would
take three days to order. They then called Advance Auto to see if they had
one. They did, and AutoZone help took me down there. Well, it turns out
that that wasn?t the correct one and he looked up 1973 and had a picture
that matched mine, but not in stock.
AutoZone (I apologetically cannot remember his first name) got the
phone number of the place in Findley that rebuilt alternators to call and go
to Friday morning.
FYI?in 1975 AMC used the last of the Motorola brand alternators ?and-
Delco brand. Well it didn?t look good for that night and they took me to a
local motel and waited to make sure I had a room. Best Motel was available
and very affordable.
Friday morning I started calling around to all the parts place in
Bowling Green and they all had the same answer. I contacted the company in
Findley and they had one.
I then found the auto junk yard parts store in State Route 25 also that had
one on the shelf. I went to the office to see if there was a taxi service
phone number. Sooney, the husband owner of the motel offered to take me
where I needed to go!
We went back to AutoZone to get my old one and headed to the junk yard.
The owner pulled it down and started to change the face for me. Through
the normal interruptions of business, we found that it would work the way it
was and it was being a bit stubborn to come apart. We were on our way.
Returning to the AutoZone, I put the new alternator in and of course
the battery was dead. They brought their company truck and jumper cables
and gave me a jump. After running a few minutes and they were putting the
truck back, when I shut it off and it would not start. They came back and
jumped it again and went in to get their tester. The engine needs to be
running and after they left, it stalled, so the battery was bad. I went in
and bought a new battery and was on my way again,
Before getting to Dayton, later that day, it started running bad again.
I pulled into the park at 3:30pm and that day was over for the show. I
checked around and found a vendor, Kennedy American had another original for
me. I bought it and put it in and was back to near normal. It still did
not sound quite right.
I had a AMC friend that offered me to stay with him at the Super 8 as
the other Super 8 did not have even record of my reservation, which I called
about the previous day to let them know of the car trouble. I did find a
charge on my credit card and I have written to see if I can get it reversed.
During the show I had a friend under the car to tighten up the exhaust
as it also came loose. A bit later I reached in to try it and low and
behold it would not start. I have one family of friends from Wisconsin who
I know from previous shows, who said he could come over after loading up and
help me out. I did have one friend from my local club check on me before
leaving. Shannon got all his large items packed up and came over to spend
some time before the dinner banquet.
He determined that there was a dead short somewhere in the system
somewhere.
I have another club friend who loaned me a voltage regulator to try and we
determined that it wasn?t the problem. Another AMC?er came by and dropped
off 2 Delco alternators to try. Well, the Delco has a single wire and that
bypassed the the problem and would cause no more problems.
Shannon also took out the battery from his race car for us to use while
working on it. Then suggested that I take my previously new battery to
AutoZone and get it recharged before putting it back in so as not to ruin
another alternator. AutoZone was busy, but very friendly and helpful.
There was another battery charge in front of me and it looked to be about a
3 hour wait.
They suggested that they check out the battery first, just in case.
Well, it turned out bad and I was able to get a replacement and be on my
way. I dropped Shannon?s battery off at the motel parking lot and was
finally, safely and securely on my way home.
I just have to write this long story because of ALL the kind and
generous people who took out their time to help me. I did not have to have
my wife come 1 ½ hours from Michigan nor anyone come 2 hours from Dayton to
help me out. God sure sowed me that there are great people around that are
ready to help out a stranger, especially one from Michigan. They assured me
that I would have been treated the same during Michigan Ohio football time
too!
Sorry it is so long, but the story has to be sent to Bowling Green
Chamber of Commerce, AutoZone headquarters and anywhere else the needs to
know that their people are the best. From the family at dinner to the last
AutoZone employees, Thank You Very Much and God Bless you as you blessed me!
Richard Estermyer
Ypsilanti, MI
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:39:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Quote:
From: Miguel Yetman blackbirds20@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Suspension/brakes
Hello I wanted to know if you had any suspension or
brake
upgrades for an **1961** rambler classic? If you dont
can you
possible point me in the right direction. I having a
hard time
finding any aftermarket parts for this car. So any bit
of
infomation you can give me would be great.
Also can you help me on finding infomation on the
rambler? I
have litteraly spent hours infront of my laptop with
no avail.
Thanks a lot
Miguel
End quote
mike sez:
----->Miguel, There are a few informational links at:
http://route66rambler.bravehost.com/
http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~afleming/
http://www.canadiancontent.net/dir/Top/Recreation/Autos/Makes_and_Models/AMC/
http://www.mattsoldcars.com/
http://www.amcyclopedia.com
http://www.arcticboy.com
http://www.planethoustonamx.com
http://www.amcforums.com
http://amccf.com/main.html
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/classicamx/51rambler/51Rambler-Vance.htm
http://amcrc.com
http://faculty.concord.edu/chrisz/hobby/67-DataBook/DataBook.html
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=1966+Rambler+American&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&fr=FP-tab-img-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8
http://nashparts.com/Techman/techman.htm
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkk5fS9dEYIYBFrpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0MGtwNmhxBGNvbG8DdwRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANCVlRfNg--/SIG=11benq96b/EXP=1155046623/**http%3a//www.pnwnash.org/
http://www.ramblerrogue.com/
http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/amc/
There are many, many more places on the web, and this
will give you a little start at least.
Here are a few parts places:
http://www.planethoustonamx.com
http://epage.com/js/browse/1106040.html
http://cliffordperformance.net/
http://southtexasamc.tripod.com/
http://www.blaserauto.com/
http://www.ramblerparts.com/
http://www.ttdmotorsports.com/
There are many more, and this will get you going. Be
careful and double-check anything you are not sure
about with your Rambler, as there is much
contradictory information, and you must reason your
way around it.
mike
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:47:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rust solution
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John, here's another one.
http://www.orisonmarketing.com/corrosion/evaporust/evapo-rust.html
I have no idea if any of these products work as
claimed, but I issued and used something in the Army
that was simply called "rust remover" that did exactly
that. You hosed in on in the wash rack with a solvent
gun and a sump, sort of like a big parts washer. We
would treat those M880 series Dodge pickups all the
time by putting the body on a rotisserie, turning it
upside down, and hosing this stuff into the seams for
abut 24 hours. Chassis parts from deuce-and-a-half
and 5 ton etc. would take about 4-6 hours of running
solution. I don't know if these products work as
claimed, but you have seen my Javelin. It is a
perfect experiment for this stuff. I'll buy a gallon
of this stuff before Christmas and try it out. I'm
going to use a simple bathtub/shower insert. Drain out
the normal drain into a aump tank with a pump. That
will hold a fender or hood, allow the solution to
recirculate and be changed, aimed etc. In the
meantime, how much does Rust-Mort cost? I want to try
that also. My car is a tragedy which I dug out of a
field. No rot, but someone removed all the exterrior
paint with aircraft stripper, then got bored. They
left all the paint under the hood, door jambs and
engine compartment. Any place you couldn't walk
around and slap it with a brush. The whole thing is
covered with surface rust. If not for the Sonoran
Desert, this car would have disappeared long since.
http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/route66rambler/Nashin%20on%20my%20Rambler/the%20Alamosa%20Project/
At the bottom of the page you'll see two pictures
where I experimented with the SST rally wheels. For
this I used a $5 bottle of gel in a blue and white 8
oz bottle I bought at Wal-Mart. The results are
satisfactory enough for a cursory application, but the
elbow grease on this is another matter entirely for a
whole car.
mike
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:48:14 -0500
From: Peter Marano <PMarano@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rust Solution - www.weremoverust.com
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Brien, John,
I also felt that it looked to good to be true, so I did a little research and found a someone selling a similliar product in dry form. For ~$225.00 I got five gallons of powder that I mixed with water (25 gallons). I have cleaned a 1968 AMX fuel tank (it did not remove the undercoating), wheels, exhaust manifolds and other assorted parts. I am pleased with the results, sometimes you have to gamble!
Peter Marano
Kenosha WI
Message: 11
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:17:44 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rust Solution - www.weremoverust.com
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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SNIP
now there is not much excuse to not
save what once was a rust bucket -
[ if you're good at welding ! ]
milnersXcoupe
NEW YORK
SNIP
Brien,
To play devil's advocate a bit here a couple of thunks!
Thunk 1, If it looks to good to be true, it probably is!
Thunk 2, Looking carefully at objects in the slide show, there seems to
be a lot of sheet metal etc. in the after shots that did not have the
deep rust pits in them they did in the before shots.
Example; Before and after on the carburetor, Jaguar wheels, Blue Lincoln
rear axle and also notice that the exhaust pipe is just as rusty in the
after then it was in the before but the pictures showed the pipe
dripping with solution.
Thunk 3, even if it is as claimed or something that approaches that type
of result; it does not neutralize the rust. Rust will start forming
again after a period of time. This is not good if one wishes to stop the
rust formation such as in the seams of a spot welded uni-body car. (Such
as a Rambler or related vehicle)
Yup, not being acidic certainly has advantages, enough to make me wonder
anyway, but Rust-Mort a SEMs product has always worked well for me up to
this point in time even if it is RASPY, as it neutralizes rust.
Rust-Mort (and probably others but it is the one I use) can be applied
with a generic spray bottle, brushed on, in the case of blind areas such
as the inside of boxed sheet metal unibody construction it can be poured
through and collected if required and re-poured through and will even
work if the blind area is wet. This stuff basically seems to work with
the same requirements but must be constantly recycled and collected, a
questionable process at best or parts soaked in it for an extended
period of time.
At it's worst, Rust-mort takes about 3 applications for maximum benefit.
I dunno, but it sure seems to be too good to be true.
Wonder what the cost of a gallon of this stuff is? Oops, found out,
$25.00 a gallon. I wonder how many gallons it takes to soak a wheel in?
John
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:52:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Front end parts
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John, I need to look at my budget, as I'm getting a
balancer this weekend, but I am planning on doing the
front end for the Gremlin real soon. If I need
something, I'll get in touch. Let me know what you
find.
mike
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 9:04:17 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rust solution
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
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Now that car is a crying shame!
Good candidate for an electrolysis bath!
Have fun, Who said there isn't any rust in the desert?
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> John, here's another one.
> http://www.orisonmarketing.com/corrosion/evaporust/evapo-rust.html
> I have no idea if any of these products work as
> claimed, but I issued and used something in the Army
> that was simply called "rust remover" that did exactly
> that. You hosed in on in the wash rack with a solvent
> gun and a sump, sort of like a big parts washer. We
> would treat those M880 series Dodge pickups all the
> time by putting the body on a rotisserie, turning it
> upside down, and hosing this stuff into the seams for
> abut 24 hours. Chassis parts from deuce-and-a-half
> and 5 ton etc. would take about 4-6 hours of running
> solution. I don't know if these products work as
> claimed, but you have seen my Javelin. It is a
> perfect experiment for this stuff. I'll buy a gallon
> of this stuff before Christmas and try it out. I'm
> going to use a simple bathtub/shower insert. Drain out
> the normal drain into a aump tank with a pump. That
> will hold a fender or hood, allow the solution to
> recirculate and be changed, aimed etc. In the
> meantime, how much does Rust-Mort cost? I want to try
> that also. My car is a tragedy which I dug out of a
> field. No rot, but someone removed all the exterrior
> paint with aircraft stripper, then got bored. They
> left all the paint under the hood, door jambs and
> engine compartment. Any place you couldn't walk
> around and slap it with a brush. The whole thing is
> covered with surface rust. If not for the Sonoran
> Desert, this car would have disappeared long since.
>
> http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/route66rambler/Nashin%20on%20my%20Rambler/the%20Alamosa%20Project/
>
> At the bottom of the page you'll see two pictures
> where I experimented with the SST rally wheels. For
> this I used a $5 bottle of gel in a blue and white 8
> oz bottle I bought at Wal-Mart. The results are
> satisfactory enough for a cursory application, but the
> elbow grease on this is another matter entirely for a
> whole car.
> mike
>
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:09:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] OT: Those Crafty BP Guys
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I just read where BP is shutting down a major portion
of the Prudhoe Bay oil field due to corrosion in a
transfer pipeline.
They ain't so dumb. Of course they apologized to the
citizens of Alaska for the lost tax revenue.
Shutting down a line to PREVENT and oil spill: Good,
even to ardent environmentalists.
Helping Congress to realize that 400,000 bbls of oil
per day makes a difference: Good.
My bet is that they'll be drilling in the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge by this time next year.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 9:19:53 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 258 header
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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IMHO, the 91-99 4.0L is closer to a true 3 into 2 into 1 header.
Yes it will fit the two wheel drive cars! I don't know who started the rumour that it won't! It absolutely will! I have one in my American!
It's not a bolt on to the 232-258 engine, but close. If you can weld and fabricate you can put it on. You can get flanges from Headers By Ed. or rework the 4.0L flanges.
Mine is on a 4.0L in a 69 American. I had two manifolds, one was severely cracked at the rear, so I cut it off at the 2-1 junction and reworked it to have a 2.5" outlet then extended this 2.5" pipe down to just behind the bellhousing. At that point I installed a collector flange and ran 2.5" exhaust to the rear of the car.
Note; Tried a glasspack at the rear stock location, real loud! I couldn't handle it. So, I picked up a second glasspack and installed it under the passenger seat area. I figured it would act as one long glasspack, No dice, still real loud! Third try was a quality 2.5" Turbo muffler at the rear position with the front glasspack still in place. This combo is acceptable for me noise wise. Just barely! The six with all that large pipe and practially straight thru exhaust will be loud!
You have been warned :]
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> A: Probably the cheapest setup would be a 4.0L exhaust manifold from an '87
> to '90 Cherokee or Comanche. The 4.2L one for Jeeps hangs lower (it'll be
> ground by the ground!) and it's known to fit Eagles so it should work in a
> Hornet. I usually sell them for $40 or so on Ebay (when I can free them from
> the "AMC vault of horror" aka my storage locker that's big enough to hide a
> small bus in)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ray crossno" <carrera_rc7@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:35 PM
> Subject: 258 header
>
>
> >Hi, my name is Ray and I have a question about a 258 header. I
> have a '71
> >amc hornet, and I have a offy intake with a 4 barrel on it. So
> I wanted to
> >find a header to put on it, but no one sells one to go on a
> hornet. There
> >is a jeep 258 header but will it fit on a hornet past the
> mounting flange?
> >I have called hedman, hooker, pace setter, jegs, and summit,
> but no one
> >knows if it will fit. Any help is very much appreciated.
> E-MAIL is
> >carrera_rc7@xxxxxxxxxxx, thanks.
> >
>
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