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Today's Topics:
1. drag link (Garry Nordstrom)
2. Re: headlights (Jim Blair)
3. Re: first cars (Mark Price)
4. 64 American styling cues (russ hathaway)
5. Re: Attack of the clones (Mark Price)
6. Re: first cars (Jim Blair)
7. Re: Thems the brakes (327 fuel pump) (Jim Blair)
8. Re: 1977 EGR numbers (Tom Jennings)
9. Unearthing the past (Jim Blair)
10. first cars (JOE FULTON)
11. Re: 401 surging/sock (Jim Blair)
12. Re: 401 surging/sock (Jim Blair)
13. Re: Halogen Sealed Beam Headlights (Jim Blair)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:29:15 -0500
From: "Garry Nordstrom" <gasnordstrom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] drag link
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I need the center drag link for a 79 AMX, any ideas of where to get one.
Want to put my 343 385 HP in it to do a run, not safe as is.
Thanks
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:00:41 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] headlights
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I rigged up the lights on my rigs that had vertical 4 light system so the
bottom light was low beam and the top was high beam due to all the fog where
I grew up. Having the low beam light on top would blind the driver whether
on high or low beam. Never did get busted for it. (did get the occaisinal
ticket for having a high beam out or tail light or license plate light out
tho)
From: Jeff Reeves <amcnut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] headlights
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Incorrect!
A four-headlight system is designed to operate as follows (this
is true for all manufacturers I can think of):
horizontal arrangement: two outer lamps are low/high beam and
two inner lamps are high beam only--this means that on low beam
operation only the two OUTER bulbs should be in use. On high
beam, ALL FOUR of the lamps should be on.
Vertical arrangement: Two upper lamps are low/high beam and two
lower lamps are high beam only. Two uppers on with low beam
only, all four on with high beam.
In the late 80s GM played with this a bit with their really
small sealed beams (think 1988-89 Silverados and 86-89
Centuries, etc), in which case the outside lamps went off with
high beam and the two inner bulbs operated only.
Jeff Reeves
Auburn GA
94 Cherokee
79 Spirit
73 Javelin 401
72 Javelin SST
69 Ambassador DPL
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:14:51 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] first cars
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My first car was a 64 American 440, 196, twinstick, 232,000 miles on it when I got it. release bearing was noisy, windows leaked and the clutch had that famous not quite locked thing. I remember trying desperately to spin the tires going forward, no matter how I tried the clutch would not bight hard enough to do it!. My dad in a fit of cheapness put two dry rotted radial tires on the front and bias ply sawdust recaps on the rear. I wrecked the thing three times the first winter I drove it. He always blamed me, I figured out a few years later it was his own fault, the mix of the radials and the bias ply tires on bad icey roads just does not work well at all. He still brings it up from time to time and I always reply, "You are the one that put radials on the front and bias ply on the rear"! He shuts up about it then.
I didn't have any problems in it's replacement, a 63, classic, two door sedan, aluminum 196, auto. It went through one trans and the aluminum 196 while I drove it.
Third car was my favorite, 65 American, 440 hardtop, 232 auto, engine wore out at 215,000 miles and would eat the arms off of fuel pumps, We lucked out an found an elusive 1971 258 and a 70 model Borg trans. That car ran like it had a small 8 in it. We put it together and I drove it and came back and said, "Dad, you have to drive this car, man does it run good". Seems he bought the engine out of a 71 Hornet and paid like $80 for it off of a scrap dealer. All he had to go on was the odometer showed somewhere in the 70,000 mile range, carb and aircleaner where gone and the oil was clean, so he pulled it and we put it in. Anyway He went and checked either the block casting numbers or the VIN, I forget which. It was then that we discovered it was a 258!
Someone torched a rented garage it was parked in around 1982. We lost the American, a 65 351 windsor, 4 speed, Mustang fastback, a 73, 4 barrel cleveland, 4 speed, Torino Fast back, a 66, 289, 4 speed, Mustang Coupe, a 67 289 auto Mustang coupe, A 73 Gremlin and a 75 For F250 Highboy. All gone. The arsonist was never caught. We found out later that the guy we rented the 30X50' building from had been stealing cars and stripping them in the past and it was theorized that one of his enemies thought he was back in business and torched the place.
Well, enough Wrambling on for now.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ahhh, the first car..... mine was a 65 Scout with the 152 4banger and 3
> speed. Would go anywhere, just not over 50mph. My first new car was a
> 70 Rebel wagon, 304, auto, tan and priced at $3884. Think I paid $85 a
> month for 3 years after trading the Scout in on it. Bought all my cars
> from Natale American in Saratoga Springs NY. That Rebel lasted for 144k
> and was sent to the rust bin in 1977 while stationed in Michigans U P.
>
> My favorite car of all time was my 65 Ambo 990 wagon that my father had
> bought new and then traded on a 68 Rebel wagon. I bought the car back
> from Natale American in 1972 and my mother sold it when I went to boot
> camp in '73. We never got along too well after that. My aunt had a 66
> Ambo 990 wagon and I now own one identical to hers. Same colors and same
> options. One of these days it will be finished.
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:15:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 64 American styling cues
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Just read an article about the Chryco turbine car.
Very interesting article in Mopar Action, October 05
(thats a how far behind in my reading I am). A couple
interesting AMC related points.
-the front end styling cues are very evident. The Nova
inspiration is best left for somewhere else.
-one of the names considered for the car was Typhoon.
They bantied this about then just called it The
Turbine car.
-the car is kept in a bubble in the Detroit Motor
Museum warehouse. One other car in a bubble in the
first Pacer off the line. Sitting next to the Chryco
is a big ol' Lincoln Mk VI.
Check out the article, real intersting....Russ
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:21:59 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Attack of the clones
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
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I have never owned a vehicle I did not in some way or anoth make mine!
If I buy it, I will change, SOMETHING. I think it is somewhat like a dog marking his territory, I must let others know it is MY STUFF! :]
I could care less, if it is original, I want it to be the way I want it.
My 65 Convert will end up Sporting 66 Classic taillights and a 66 Ambassador Grille. Because I like them better then the 65's.
There is no way anyone would acuse my American of being "restored" :]
I have a picture of The Bill Kraft 65 American on my Bulletin board, someday, I hope to "Clone" it ! only with a turbo 400 and maybe a gear Vendors overdrive for cruising.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Widiker wrote:
> Sent out that mail on first cars and it got me thinking, I cloned my
> Tempest into a GTO back in 1988 before anyone even cared about that
> stuff. Now a days you are some kind of villain for building a car the
> way you want it to be if it didn't start that way. It seems to me when
> the money guys get involved it's not ok to do what you want with your
> own stuff. You've got Paul Zazarine (otherwise decent guy) railing
> against cloning, you have Barrett Jackson running car prices into the
> stratosphere, and people who won't drive their cars.... WONT FREAKING
> DRIVE THEM!!! Because of what they are "worth". What's becoming of my
> beloved muscle cars? I live for this stuff, and yet the landscape is
> becoming very foreign to me. Don't we do this for fun, because we love
> being gearheads?
>
> Anyone have opinions about this stuff? Totally not trying to start a war
> of factions, just want to know people's perspectives.
>
> ~John
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:35:00 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] first cars
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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First car I drove was my mother's 5? Nash (can't recall the model and have
seen only 1 pic of it in recent years) that my little brother came home from
the hospital in. (I drove the farm truck since I was 12 and the tractor
since I was 6, but they barely count as anything but practice!) Dad was
scared I'd hurt myself (or someone else) in it so he traded it in on a '74
Fiat 128 for my mom.
I wasn't particularly fond of that car as I had to do all the family
vehicle maintenance (my father tried but he was all thumbs) and things were
so tiny and needing attention so often. (especially the shifter due to the
trans mount tearing off from my younger brother's diriving) I finally
figured that out and used a turn buckle to keep the front frame from
spreading apart each time he shifted (common problem I later found out when
I started messing with X/19s) and tearing up axle shaft tripodes.
When I moved out of home at age 14, I had a beat up '69 Ford pickup and a
'63 Vauxhall Victor (that my now ex-wife totalled before we even started
dating) I got sick when I was about 16 (poisioned) and moved back home till
I was 17 (when I got married the first time). My first legal for me to drive
(license, insurance and the whole nine yards) was a Mazda RX2 that I dropped
a chunk of change into and raced every chance I could get. After putting the
stock engine back in, I swapped it with my father in law for his '66 VW van
(since I was just starting a family and most of my ex's 6 sisters had moved
out on their own already)
When I got rid of the VW van (a piece at a time after the frame broke
while 4 wheeling) I got a Hornet wagon and the collection of vehicles in the
back yard started taking off. When I was divorced 10 years later, I had
accumulated most of the Mopars and AMCs I could in my area (plus an AMC 6
powered IH 4x4 pickup)
After the split, I gave a couple of the leftovers (that my ex couldn't
sell for beer or whatever) to family. My ex-wife's mother's (who recently
passed) green frog Astre that she bought for $50 at a yard sale had fallen
apart from rust, so I gave her a purple Gremlin the day I got it. (I never
even got to drive it! LOL!) It took me a bit to cure the Presto-no-lite
ignition system (I retroed it to points after the third ignition box) but
she enjoted the heck out of that car till she retired. (then the car got a
yard sale workout!)
Now I am finally settled on the Jeeps with AMC designed motors. Never had
a CJ (of my own, but I have worked on quite a few of other's rigs) but I
hope to keep driving my Mj and FSJ for some time to come. Maybe add a Pacer
wagon to the stable later. Right now I have a new house to build with built
in garage and parking for three vehicles inside with a lift so I can
continue to do my own repairs till I'm no longer able to pick up a wrench.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:54:58 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Thems the brakes (327 fuel pump)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: There is one person in my store (NAPA in Bellevue, WA) with a greyer
beard than me (if he let it grow) and probably everyone on this list. He
knows his Model As and was a machinist merchant marine in World War 2 (he
almost went into WW1 but wasn't quite old enough or big enough to get away
with lying about his age) and became a Machinist for NAPA after that. IIRC,
he had his 72nd birthday last month but has no plans to retire (still works
5-7 days a week!)
Anytime there is a Jeep person, he passes them on to me (unless it's just
a motor Q) and he's helped me work the design for my LPG powered AMC 6
stroker.
He had a good laugh the other day when a customer came in asking about a
fuel pump for a 327 in his boat and I piped up "Nash or Chev?". Customer
replied "Gray Marine" and I came back with "AMC/Nash then, like the one in
the back of my J4000 out there in the parking lot".
If anyone is interested, the Marine Parts books no longer list this pump,
so I came up with a '66 Wagoneer 327 pump (m4068) but it needed minor mods.
1 fitting needed changing and the body was reclocked. Then I got him one of
those see-thru in line filters so he could see if there was water or crud
coming from the tank. (they don't make the sediment bowl type pump anymore)
He needed 2 new bolts (longer) to mount the pump and since they were 5/16"
instead of 3/8", a piece of 5/16" ID brake tube was used for a bushing
around the mounting bolts to stabilize it.
He had been to 10 different Marine supply places around Seattle/Bellevue
area looking for the part and one of them said "Go to NAPA and tell them you
have a 327 powered Rambler".
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Thems the brakes
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I have found that most parts pullers, and that is all
most counter people are, don't know AMC from Adam. I
had one clown looking my American up on the Audi
section of the books. If the person who owns the car
gave incorrect info, or the parts puller was one line
lower in the book, it is easy to mix up the parts.
Take out your MC and go down to a decent parts house.
Look for a greybeard behind the counter who can at
least spell AMC, and see if they are the same....Russ
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1977 EGR numbers
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, JOE FULTON wrote:
> Can someone provide the AMC or vendor part numbers for
> the 1977 EGR valve? The application is a 1977 258
> 2-bbl.
I'm afraid the TSM doesn't contain EGR numbers of any kind.
There isn't an emissions chapter; there are sub-sections in 1A
(list of emissions equip used per model/engine/trans), tuneup
data (below) and more in the Fuel Systems chapter (1J).
1J-84 (1J is Fuel Systems) is only a desc. of operation,
no part numbers and barely a mention of v8 vs 6. It does
say "integral backpressure sensor.. doesn't use a restrictor
plate". But somehow I doubt there is only one EGR valve for all
motors/49/Calif. that year!
I looked through the entire index for anything even close,
besides egr, exhaust, emissions, etc. I thumbed through 6 and
8 engine sections, and specifications. Looked through carb,
all of Fuel Systems, at at Exhaust Systems.
Maybe there's an emissions errata?
Sorry! If you think of anywhere else to look in the book,
it's here by my desk.
Timing specs for 77 258, auto trans, california, from 1A
8 degree BTDC (6 manual)
700 rpm (600 49 states)
distributor: 3229719 IDJ-4002F
vacc adv: 8125438 IDJ-4B
total advance at 2000 rpm: 22-30
N12y plug, .035"
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:58:35 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Unearthing the past
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Too bad it wasn't a Nash!
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] first cars
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My first car was not an AMC.
When I was a college student in 1967 my Dad helped me
get a job as a used car salesman at a typcial used car
lot on Broadway in Louisville, KY. I was the token
"honest" fresh face on the lot. The rest of the sales
guys were classic "plaid pants and suspenders" types.
I did sell a few cars during that summer but I would
not sell a car to anyone I knew. The lot pulled all
of the standard tricks: turned back the mileage (a
"mechanic" came in and did this for us), really cheap
paint jobs, brake fluid in the auto trannies to swell
the seals and fix an leak. You name it.
I was in the market for a car before I went back to
college in the Fall, but one of the fringe benefits of
working as a salesman was that I got to drive one of
the cars on the lot home each night.
Cars I drove that summer included a 63 Nova
covertible, 65 GTO, and a 62 Chevy hardtop (which
completely went dead (no lights, nothing) at 60 miles
and hour on a state highway, when the main dash wiring
came loose). I had out of date plates on it too, so
the sherrif towed it before I could rescue it the next
morning.
One day a guy from Iowa, working in construction came
onto the lot and wanted to sell a 56 Chevy hardtop. I
asked the manager if I could buy the car and he said
go ahead, they didn't need the inventory. The guy
parked the car across the street and I put a note on
the windshield indicating I would buy the car. The
car and the note were gone. End of deal, I thought.
A few weeks later he came back and sold me the car for
$400. I drove it for two years but never really had
the money to fix it up.
AMC connection: We had a 61 Ambassador on the back
row and I thought that was the ugliest car I had ever
seen. We sold that car for cash to a freshly mustered
out solder who drove it home to Tennessee I think.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:08:16 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 401 surging/sock
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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They are available through http://bjsoffroad.com (as well as a slew of other
FSJ related parts)
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 401 surging/sock
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Did they change in the later years? I got one from Kennedy
American last
year for my 67 American and it was about $4.00.
Matt
At 04:20 PM 7/12/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>Isn't the discussion of whether you have one or not rather moot
anyway?
>I have been unable to locate a source to purchase one at for
quite a few
>years now!
>John
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:10:36 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 401 surging/sock
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Oops! I was going to say I removed mine and put a replaceable element filter
right before my fuel pump in my non-fuelinjected vehicles for years. Most
autoparts stores have them in the performance section.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:15:55 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Halogen Sealed Beam Headlights
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: Once again, materials come into play. HIDs are often in the 17-35 Watt
range but they use a power transformer to fire them up like carbon arc. For
my Jeep, I use Hellas with a 55/100W H4 light and upgraded wiring. If a
vehicle came from the factory with the HIDs, then they are 50 state legal
according to NHTSA. I find the full spectrum lights give better lighting as
blue wavelength is too short for long distance vision unless the wattage is
REALLY pumped up!
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Halogen Sealed Beam Headlights
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By federal law you're limited to 55W dim, 60W bright,
headlights. So
you can't legally pull more power. The halogen lights are
brighter
because of the materials they're made with -- they pull no more
power.
It's technically illegal to run higher wattage lights on a
street
vehicle, but some people do. With the modern lights such as HIDs
(also
illegal in some states) and halogens, it's hard to tell if they
are
higher wattage than allowed. Unless you're blinding the cop
coming
toward you he's not likely to ticket you for to bright
headlights!
Unless you're running something like HIDs (obvious by the bluish
glow)
and they are illegal in your state.
IIRC, four headlight systems use all four lights only on dim, so
actually draw more power on dim than bright (55x4=220W;
18A@12V). When
on high beam the inboard lights (dim only) go out (60x2=120W;
10A@12V).
Of course placement of the filament in the bulb (reflector) and
aiming
has a great affect on lighting.
O
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