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Today's Topics:
1. A Scarey Afternoon, Tornadoes Outside N.Y. City!!!! (Mr. AMC)
2. Re: headlights (Jeff Reeves)
3. Re: A Scarey Afternoon, Tornadoes Outside N.Y. City!!!!
(Sandwich Maker)
4. 1970 Javelin Corduroy seat covers (Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
5. Socks and stuff-was-Re: 401 surging (Mark Price)
6. Re: 64 Typhoon project (Mark Price)
7. Re: Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle? (Mark Price)
8. Re: Rusty rotors? (Mark Price)
9. first cars (russ hathaway)
10. Re: auto transport (dan whitehead)
11. Re: first cars (Widiker, John D)
12. Attack of the clones (Widiker, John D)
13. Thems the brakes (russ hathaway)
14. Re: first cars (Wayne E LaMothe)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:11:48 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] A Scarey Afternoon, Tornadoes Outside N.Y.
City!!!!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, amc_club_of_socal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
AmericanMotorsModelbuilders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
callingalldifferentmodels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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What started out as a bunch of thunder storms rolling through the area
turned out to be scarey for people just 10-15 miles north of N.Y. City.
A tornado set down a mile north from where my wife works and tore a
couple of small towns apart, another water spout was seen on the Hudson
River near the Tappan Zee Bridge (N.Y. State Thruway Rt. 87) and another
one on Long Island Sound. Thank God for cell phones because when I found
out from a friend of my wife I called her and she was coming down the
street from the bus ok. I am glad it didn't happen where I live as my
yellow Hornet is sitting outside as I am waiting for my son to get his
Javelin out of my garage so the Hornet can go back inside. The orange
one has been inside for the last 7 months. There was a lot of property
damage but no serious injuries than God.
"Doc"
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:03:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Reeves <amcnut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] headlights
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Incorrect!
A four-headlight system is designed to operate as follows (this is true for all manufacturers I can think of):
horizontal arrangement: two outer lamps are low/high beam and two inner lamps are high beam only--this means that on low beam operation only the two OUTER bulbs should be in use. On high beam, ALL FOUR of the lamps should be on.
Vertical arrangement: Two upper lamps are low/high beam and two lower lamps are high beam only. Two uppers on with low beam only, all four on with high beam.
In the late 80s GM played with this a bit with their really small sealed beams (think 1988-89 Silverados and 86-89 Centuries, etc), in which case the outside lamps went off with high beam and the two inner bulbs operated only.
Jeff Reeves
Auburn GA
94 Cherokee
79 Spirit
73 Javelin 401
72 Javelin SST
69 Ambassador DPL
Frank said:
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:35:03 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Halogen Sealed Beam Headlights
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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IIRC, four headlight systems use all four lights only on dim, so
actually draw more power on dim than bright (55x4=220W; 18A@12V). When
on high beam the inboard lights (dim only) go out (60x2=120W; 10A@12V).
Of course placement of the filament in the bulb (reflector) and aiming
has a great affect on lighting.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] A Scarey Afternoon, Tornadoes Outside N.Y.
City!!!!
To: AmericanMotorsModelbuilders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, amc_club_of_socal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
callingalldifferentmodels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
"
" What started out as a bunch of thunder storms rolling through the area
" turned out to be scarey for people just 10-15 miles north of N.Y. City.
" A tornado set down a mile north from where my wife works and tore a
" couple of small towns apart, another water spout was seen on the Hudson
" River near the Tappan Zee Bridge (N.Y. State Thruway Rt. 87) and another
" one on Long Island Sound. Thank God for cell phones because when I found
" out from a friend of my wife I called her and she was coming down the
" street from the bus ok. I am glad it didn't happen where I live as my
" yellow Hornet is sitting outside as I am waiting for my son to get his
" Javelin out of my garage so the Hornet can go back inside. The orange
" one has been inside for the last 7 months. There was a lot of property
" damage but no serious injuries thank God.
this stuff blasted clear to the nh seacoast [~200mi], with bad -
possibly tornadic - tree damage around wendell ma and 2" hail and
funnel clouds around exeter nh. hundreds of cars have been totalled
and they're telling homeowners to check shingles for hail damage.
smaller hail was 3" thick on the ground in seabrook nh. marblehead ma
saw 90mph gusts and maybe a tornado. lightning strikes were as heavy
as 4 per second over the area.
in between here i just got rain.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:15:45 -0500
From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] 1970 Javelin Corduroy seat covers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have a 1970 Javelin with the black corduroy, turtle shell, front seats.
I am looking for replacement seat covers, but all I see readily available
are the vinyl and leather. Is anyone aware of a place where I can purchase
corduroy seat covers?
Also, does anyone know if replacement seat foam is available, and where I
can get it?
Thank you
Jeff
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 8:16:48 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Socks and stuff-was-Re: 401 surging
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
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One of the things I'd like to do is upgrade rework the fuel filter system on the American. Right now I run 5/16 pickup line to 5/16" hose to e Jeep Cherokee 80's EFI filter to 3/8" hose to Russian mate TAT3 Mercedes replacement fule pump then 3/8" steel fuel line to EFI rail with a 3/8" return. I'm happy with everythign and it works OK, but there is some significant suction for the pump to pull the fuel thru the EFI filter. I'd liek to upgrade the pickup to as large as 1/2" with a Fram cannister style free flow filter then the pump then the EFI filter. Right now I've got too many pots on the stove! I'll have about 63 hours in when I leave work at 11:30 or so Friday night too. Then the "FQ" words come into play. You know, "Family" And "Quality" time.
At least I should have my hand son my New T-5 project tomorrow! :]
I've also got a line on a S-10 Disc brake axle for what may turn out to be a good price. Got my fingers crossed on that one!
I'm Making slow and steady progress on the Ambassador too. I am getting my 13 year old involved, We struck a deal and he is scraping all the sound deadner off the inner fender wheels. A couple of more eveings and the right side will be complete! Left will go much quicker now that I have a plan.
I want to get the 15 year old started on removing the front off the flood car. I need the top off the core support form it. I wonder if it woul dbe dangerous to teach him how to use the torches! Uh, maybe not, I may let him use the sawzall, He has a little too much enjoyment of fire for torches!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> If you run without the sock I'd put a coarse filter BEFORE the fuel
> pump, electric or mechanical. The pump may not like getting chunks
> sucked through it. Otherwise it's just what Tom said -- larger flakes
> of rust (not uncommon in a really old car) could stop the end up
> momentarily.
>
>
> On July 12, 2006 Tom Jennings wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, russ hathaway wrote:
> >
> > > Is a gas tank sock really needed? When I repaced the
> > > tank in my Hornet, the sock was almost gone. I tore it
> > > off, cleaned all the residue and installed it with an
> > > open end. I am running a cheapo filter just off the
> > > tank, then the fuel pump and a nice filter just before
> > > the engine. The mechanical pump has been stripped and
> > > is just plugging a hole. Isn't the sock just a
> > > strainer anyways.......Russ
> >
> > The only problem I can see happening, and it's not THAT low a
> > probability, is if you were to get say a piece of tree leaf in
> > there, it could suck up flat against the angle-cut end of the
> > tube and totally cut off fuel.
> >
> > You'd die cruisign flat an level on a freeway; pull over,
> > scratch head, car restarts, problem never recurs, because
> > the leaf moved out of the way while braking with engine off,
> > awaiting the next coincidence. Chalk it up to "oldcaritis".
> >
> > Any old sort of crap screen on the end of the pickup would
> > reduce this probability to zero.
> >
> > Aren't old cars fun?
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 8:28:11 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Typhoon project
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Cc: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
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Frank,
Are you sure all the side glass stayed the same for 65?
If so I can fix Kenny up with that stuff too. The 990H has a near perfect tinted and shaded rear glass in it! I will probably save it as I doubt it will ever be reproduced. It actually seems to be made like a windsheild as there is one spot about the size of a nickle with few bubbles in the shaded area. Otherwise it is perfect.
I think the small quarter windows could be let go too as I believe the converts are different. Not sure on that one though. I'd need to see it first hand to believe there are not some changes in the glass on the 65's??? I'd be glad to pass some of this stuff on to someone who needs it if it can be done.
I don't see a real chance to attack getting that car sorted out and parted out completely untill Sept, when I get a small breather in my work schedule thoguh.
I talked with the Assitant director today about these hours, he is going to try and gring up hiring a third guy again. It sure would be nice to have some free time.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> The skeleton body, or basic shell, stayed pretty much the same from
> 63-66. This meant the glass area remained the same also. The outer
> panels ("skin") changed radically for 1965 though, and the Ambassador
> was again stretched to a longer wheelbase, all in front of the
> firewall. This only affected the front end of the car. AFAIK the
> torque-tube is the same length as the Classic, but the Ambo may have a
> slightly longer one. The crossmember is different because the engine is
> set back more in the Ambo, but I'm not sure that it was set that far
> back. It's been a long time since I've seen a 65-66 Ambo, and I just
> haven't remembered to notice if the engine is the same distance from
> the firewall as the Classic.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 8:38:44 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shipped! Trans coming, Rear Axle?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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All the info I have come across says the S10 kept the actual 4 3/4" pattern.
If I get one of these and it turns out to be incorrect info I'll just have the axles and discs drilled to 4 1/2". No big deal either way.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
> "
> " There are wheels that have the
> " old GM 5x4.75" pattern and the Ford/Chryco/AMC 5x4.5" pattern, but I
> " think the S-10 uses the newer metric pattern.
>
> what is the new metric pattern? it occurs to me it might just be the
> old one -- 4.75" = 120.65mm...
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:02:20 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rusty rotors?
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Power Co. Would love this idea!
I am planning on an upgrade to the current parking conditions.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Mark Price wrote:
>
> > The humidity is high here in the summers at times and in the spring and fall most of the time. We kept it inthe garage last year untill fall, then my wife started leaving it outside so she could keep the car in the garage. A few wet rainy weeks and some snowy weather did them in pretty quick. I know it is from sitting outside as my American is in the garage 24/7 most weeks and the rotors are fine on it.
>
> Park over plastic, like someone suggested already, and put a
> 60W light bulb in a cheap reflector on each wheel to keep them
> warm, which will stop condensation. Just needs to be warmer
> than ambient.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] first cars
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My first car was 1959 Rebel wagon. It needed rod
bearings and it was basically fix it or walk. I paid
$75, we dragged it home, I pulled the pan and had a
guy with a portable crank turner turn the rod jounals
(are those still around?). New bearings and I was good
to go. All this was done on a dusty drive way. I drove
that car for years.
Growing up if I wanted a car I had to see what car was
available in the family stable......Russ
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:05:55 +0000
From: "dan whitehead" <freebird_58@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] auto transport
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I'd like to thank everyone that responded to my request. All the
information was great and really helpful.
Dan Whitehead
Southern Wisconsin
'82 Spirit GT
'70 BBO Donohue
'69 AMX (in pieces if it counts)
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:06:48 -0400
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] first cars
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At 15 years old I bought a 1964 Tempest custom convertible in boxes,
literally boxes of parts.
~John
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Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:58 PM
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Subject: [AMC-List] first cars
My first car was 1959 Rebel wagon. It needed rod bearings and it was
basically fix it or walk. I paid $75, we dragged it home, I pulled the
pan and had a guy with a portable crank turner turn the rod jounals (are
those still around?). New bearings and I was good to go. All this was
done on a dusty drive way. I drove that car for years.
Growing up if I wanted a car I had to see what car was available in the
family stable......Russ
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:16:48 -0400
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Attack of the clones
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Sent out that mail on first cars and it got me thinking, I cloned my
Tempest into a GTO back in 1988 before anyone even cared about that
stuff. Now a days you are some kind of villain for building a car the
way you want it to be if it didn't start that way. It seems to me when
the money guys get involved it's not ok to do what you want with your
own stuff. You've got Paul Zazarine (otherwise decent guy) railing
against cloning, you have Barrett Jackson running car prices into the
stratosphere, and people who won't drive their cars.... WONT FREAKING
DRIVE THEM!!! Because of what they are "worth". What's becoming of my
beloved muscle cars? I live for this stuff, and yet the landscape is
becoming very foreign to me. Don't we do this for fun, because we love
being gearheads?
Anyone have opinions about this stuff? Totally not trying to start a war
of factions, just want to know people's perspectives.
~John
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:19:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Thems the brakes
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have found that most parts pullers, and that is all
most counter people are, don't know AMC from Adam. I
had one clown looking my American up on the Audi
section of the books. If the person who owns the car
gave incorrect info, or the parts puller was one line
lower in the book, it is easy to mix up the parts.
Take out your MC and go down to a decent parts house.
Look for a greybeard behind the counter who can at
least spell AMC, and see if they are the same....Russ
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:23:41 -0400
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] first cars
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Ahhh, the first car..... mine was a 65 Scout with the 152 4banger and 3
speed. Would go anywhere, just not over 50mph. My first new car was a
70 Rebel wagon, 304, auto, tan and priced at $3884. Think I paid $85 a
month for 3 years after trading the Scout in on it. Bought all my cars
from Natale American in Saratoga Springs NY. That Rebel lasted for 144k
and was sent to the rust bin in 1977 while stationed in Michigans U P.
My favorite car of all time was my 65 Ambo 990 wagon that my father had
bought new and then traded on a 68 Rebel wagon. I bought the car back
from Natale American in 1972 and my mother sold it when I went to boot
camp in '73. We never got along too well after that. My aunt had a 66
Ambo 990 wagon and I now own one identical to hers. Same colors and same
options. One of these days it will be finished.
Wayne
Wayne & Lisa (Skeezix), Bolton Landing, NY,
http://www.superglider.thinkhost.com/
AMO#8454, 83 Eagle Limited Wagon, 82 SX/4, 258 auto
69 Ambo coupe, 401, M12, 66 Ambo 990 Wagon, 327,PW,PB,PS,posi,AM/FM,AC
88 Jeep J10 360, auto- a Real truck
2001 Cherokee, 2000 Chrysler Cirrus (both hers)
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:57:44 -0700 (PDT) russ hathaway
<russh97309@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> My first car was 1959 Rebel wagon. It needed rod
> bearings and it was basically fix it or walk. I paid
> $75, we dragged it home, I pulled the pan and had a
> guy with a portable crank turner turn the rod jounals
> (are those still around?). New bearings and I was good
> to go. All this was done on a dusty drive way. I drove
> that car for years.
> Growing up if I wanted a car I had to see what car was
> available in the family stable......Russ
>
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