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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Band adjustment, little aluminum Borg Warner auto
      (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
   2. Re: Band adjustment,	little aluminum Borg Warner auto
      (196/199 in mid size car) (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
   3. T-96 in big cars? (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
   4. Re: oil filters (Jim Blair)
   5. Progress? (Jim Blair)
   6. Tom Jennings Rambler Adventures (Mr. AMC)
   7. Re: I Shouldn't Have Done It (Mr. AMC)
   8. Re: oil filters (Todd Tomason)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:43:50 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Band adjustment, little aluminum Borg Warner
	auto
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E65FF1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
	
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Tom, I had a hard time finding a pan gasket the last time I had to get
one. The Volvo kit works for internals, but the pan gasket is different.
I ended up using a Mopar RTV type sealant formulated specifically for
auto trans applications (available at a Chrysler dealer, of course). It
worked fine. If you insist on a gasket you can use strips of cork
material along with the sealer. As always, to much sealer leads to
leaks... but you know that!


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:49:32 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Band adjustment,	little aluminum Borg Warner
	auto (196/199 in mid size car)
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E65FF2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
	
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ADEQUATELY is the key phrase here! The 196 in a 63-64 Classic wagon is
about like the 87 Pontiac 6000 I had with the 2.5L four (or Chevy
Celebrity, etc.). Fine around town, a little stressed on long trips,
especially if loaded. Just don't get in a hurry and take it easy and
it's fine. The 199 is actually a lot better -- the 196 turns a lot
slower and takes noticeably longer to build up speed/power. 


---- original message ------------------------
" From: Tom Jennings <tomj at wps.com 
" On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Ken Ames wrote: 
" > Other trannys of the same model don't need this. 
" > Must be an internal leakdown of some sort. 
" > I've heard that prolonged idling in park isn't good for the Chryco 
" > transmissions, better to do it in neutral as there is better oilflow
and the 
" > above seems to bear that out. " 
" I wouldn't be surprised. I've had really good luck with this 
" trans, even though it's small, air-cooled, and in a largeish car 
" (Classic wagon). otoh it can't be -that- 'largeish' if a 199 will
motivate it adequately, automatic and all! Andrew Hay 




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:56:39 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] T-96 in big cars?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E65FF3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
	
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--- original message ----------------
>From Tomj@xxxxxxx
(I think the idea was, the original 196.5ci six simply couldn't produce
enough torque to break a flimsy T96 transmission in a 3200 lb car. The
232 apparently could. Did AMC ship 1964+ big cars with 232 and T96?)

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Nope, no T-96 behind anything bigger than a 196 in the big cars. There
were a few 65 Classic fleet cars with 199, they MIGHT have got it. In
the small cars it was the same way, but the last T-96 model used in the
70-72 (I think as late as 72) Gremlin and Hornet was used behind the
232. It was a T-96J that had a bigger input shaft and front bearing. As
far as I could tell when I had my T-96J rebuilt that's the only change.
The J model was ONLY used by AMC a couple years, so it was hard to find
a new input shaft! I used that one behind a stock 4.0L and stripped the
synchro out after less than 100 miles, and then taking it easy! The
synchro is the weak point. Double clutching solved that, but made shifts
(especially down shifts) slow. Still have the trans! I wouldn't want a
T-96 behind a 232 even in a small car. 




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:15:54 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] oil filters
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F131035024B496E1333CD97AC740@xxxxxxx>
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Just did a little research and as of '02, it was acquired by Puradyn 
International (UK HQ)
http://www.puradyn.com/company/ir_shareholders.html

I think these guys were the previous "owners" or at least one of the 
manufacturers (I recall the name on several filters)

http://www.xingyuan.com/template/develop-e.htm


From: Glen Hoag <hoag@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] oil filters
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <a06230901c0d2f2b0f123@[192.168.123.144]>
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Which offshore company would that be?

Fram is currently a unit of Honeywell, Inc, which merged with
AlliedSignal at the end of 1999.  Honeywell is an old line
American
company with global operations, with its headquarters in Morris
Township, NJ.  The Fram unit is based in Danbury, CT, along with
the
Prestone brand, which AlliedSignal acquired from Union Carbide
in
1985.

--Glen

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:53:06 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Progress?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F357B4F99DADA77D4ADC7DFAC740@xxxxxxx>
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I hired someone to help me dive into the storage locker today (I had 3 days 
off and spent 2 of them sick as a dog and I was still a bit weak today) 
which is 10' wide (I think. I put heavy 4' x 8' rack shelving at 1 end and 
it's a couple feet from the side wall) and at least 27' long (I had 36" 
tires stacked at the back wall and almost a foot from my '84 J10's rear 
bumper, plus I had a good 4'-6' in front where I had motors, trans, tcases, 
engine hoist, toolbox and a 2' x 4' shelf on one side)
   We got the J10 out a couple months ago, but things have teamed up against 
me getting back to it. (I spent several weeks moving stuff to my cabin, 
including the J10 and building a garage to put it in, which I still haven't 
done. I spent the past couple weeks after work scrapping out a camper that 
went for scrap aluminum, appliances for my cabin and shelving for the 
storage with firewood, building materials and minimal scrap to the dump that 
was mostly moldy, rotten wood that would stink if I burned it in my wood 
stove)
   The shelves are up, and my driveshaft/axle collection, easily the envy of 
any junkyard, is up where it can be seen. (I'll have to move them again when 
I empty the '90 Ford E350 18' box van of parts and another pair of hopefully 
stackable 3' x 8' tables I'll load the lighter stuff onto) Very productive 
day, but only 1/2 the battle so far I'm afraid! (not quite sure how to 
punctuate that!) Last thing we did before I collapsed to surf the net and 
eat Chinese food in celebration was pack the free 37" TV set I got up the 3 
flights of stairs! (I am NOT looking forward to moving again, which will be 
hopefully soon so I can use the van before I sell it!)
   I know I'll be stiff and sore at work tomorrow (visited the Chiro this AM 
before starting this masochistic venture) but at least I got something 
measureable done!

(I have sorted out some of the chaff I won't need at any rate so a flurry of 
parts ads will be coming soon! I just sold the NV249 Grand Cherokee tcase on 
EBay for $50 plus shipping)

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 05:59:36 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Tom Jennings Rambler Adventures
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <3159-44AE3088-45@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

Damn Tom you and the old Rambler sure had quite some adventures over the
years. You should right a story about them and have Frank publish them
in AIM. 
"Doc"



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:19:00 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] I Shouldn't Have Done It
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <3159-44AE3514-55@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Jim we have all been there at one time or another. In some instances a
wife not talking to you might be considered a blessing. It is in my case
as my wife when she gets started sounds like the school teacher on the
Charlie Brown cartoons, wa wa wa wa wa wa. My orange Hornet surfaced for
sale the second time after I had chased the car for 6 years and had been
screwed out of it 4 years previous to me finally buying it. I got it by
chance as I had words with my wife and refused to go to her girlfriends
grandson's birthday party. A friend called me up told me the car was for
sale, took me there, lent me the 500$ for the car for 3 days, borrowed
his bosses tow truck and stored the car for me for 5 days till I got
plates for it. That's what you call a real friend. The wife came home at
6 pm from the party and I told her I bought the car. She made a face and
said whatever and walked away and never said another word. Her girl
friend stuck her 2 cents in and said "what does he need another car
for?" I now have 2 Hornet's and a beater 77 Malibu and I am the only
driver, my wife doesn't drive. I wanted it and I bought it. After
working 2-3 jobs at one time over the years and doing with out to raise
3 kids it is now time for ME!!!!!!
"Doc"



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:15:49 -0500
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] oil filters
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200607070615.49506.jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I checked your link to Puradyn,  and it doesn't say they acquired Fram.  It 
says they entered into a strategic alliance with Honeywell Consumer Products 
Group, makers of Fram.  It sounds like they plan to market each others 
products.  The Fram website still says they're part of Honeywell.

Todd

On Friday 07 July 2006 02:15, Jim Blair wrote:
> Just did a little research and as of '02, it was acquired by Puradyn
> International (UK HQ)
> http://www.puradyn.com/company/ir_shareholders.html
>
> I think these guys were the previous "owners" or at least one of the
> manufacturers (I recall the name on several filters)
>
> http://www.xingyuan.com/template/develop-e.htm
>
>
> From: Glen Hoag <hoag@xxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] oil filters
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <a06230901c0d2f2b0f123@[192.168.123.144]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> Which offshore company would that be?
>
> Fram is currently a unit of Honeywell, Inc, which merged with
> AlliedSignal at the end of 1999.  Honeywell is an old line
> American
> company with global operations, with its headquarters in Morris
> Township, NJ.  The Fram unit is based in Danbury, CT, along with
> the
> Prestone brand, which AlliedSignal acquired from Union Carbide
> in
> 1985.
>
> --Glen
>
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