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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Engine timing (Don Johnson)
2. Timing (Winslow, Ralph (GE Infra, Aviation, US))
3. side mount header question (Eddie Stakes)
4. Re: Timing (RetroRalph)
5. Re: Rambler rear axle - big nut 15 to later conversion?
(farna@xxxxxxx)
6. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 5, Issue 51 (Clarence Milstead)
7. Re: Rambler rear axle - big nut 15 to later conversion?
(Sandwich Maker)
8. Re: AM radio computer MP3 player... (Kim Bueler)
9. Re: Rambler rear axle - big nut 15 to later conversion?
(Mark Price)
10. Re: AM radio computer MP3 player... (Sandwich Maker)
11. Re: AM radio computer MP3 player... (Mark Price)
12. Hydrogen Fuel'd Vehicles Have Arrived (Brien Tourville)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:56:39 -0400
From: Don Johnson <donjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Engine timing
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Doc,
An old shop instructor I had in motor mechanics, many, many years ago used to set his timing at idle with a vacuum guage.
Set your timing to the highest vacuum setting you can attain at idle RPM.
He explained that it would give you the best and most reliable idle "tailored to your engine configured the way, you had it."
Don't know if that will work today, but I can tell you it worked then.
Don
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:35:20 -0400
From: "Winslow, Ralph \(GE Infra, Aviation, US\)"
<Ralph.Winslow@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Timing
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There is a section on ignition timing on the AMX Files. Go to "Resources", then "Technical", and look for timing. The subject comes up every once in a while, but although a search returns 182 messages, there is no link to the resource guide. Maybe next time this message will pop up.
Ralph
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:54:12 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] side mount header question
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "G.A.H." <Class137@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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eddie , question if anyone would know u would. I have a 70 AMX, I am looking
for a side mount header which would go into the side pipes, like what we saw
on the older corvettes. Hooker makes em but not for amc. any idea's. I was
not looking for the side pipes amc put on. Class137@xxxxxxxxxxx Glenn
==========================================
anyone that can help answer Glenn's question above please feel free to give
him a shout,a nd also copy your reply to him if you answer it here on
badassgremlins or amc-list, thanks in advance to all who may reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:08:48 -0700
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Timing
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I think we have it posted at the Classic AMX Club of Portland web pags, too.
Click on> http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/classicamx/index.htm
And go to the "April 2001 Newsletter" for Ralph Winslow's engine timing
tips...
It is probably the same article as at www.amxfiles.com but don't know for
sure.
Good ol' RalphW has been a good steady source... I think there is another
good article in that same newsletter.
______________________________________________________________
Ralph Ausmann - Hillsboro, OR - > <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx>
http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... and "check the links"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Winslow, Ralph (GE Infra, Aviation, US)" <Ralph.Winslow@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC list" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: [AMC-List] Timing
> There is a section on ignition timing on the AMX Files. Go to
> "Resources", then "Technical", and look for timing. The subject comes up
> every once in a while, but although a search returns 182 messages, there
> is no link to the resource guide. Maybe next time this message will pop
> up.
> Ralph
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:43:01 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rambler rear axle - big nut 15 to later
conversion?
To: "gary david" <gary03@xxxxxxxxx>, amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
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<062620061743.4732.44A01CA40001DDAD0000127C21603762230E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
I'm copying this to the AMC-List because someone may have tried it, or have an early and late AMC 15 lying around in pieces and CAN try it.... Listers, please read the earlier messages below for the questions... My answer:
I'm afraid not. Only Ford and some Chrysler axles have a "third member". The front housing (third member) comes out, and that housing holds the differential and pinion shaft and bearings. The rear cover is part of the axle housing, or is stamped/cast as one piece with the center section. GM, AMC, Dana, and some Chrysler axles have a removeable rear cover. The pinion shaft and bearings is part of the cast center section that the axle tubes and rear cover bolt onto. Since the front doesn't come off, the pinion shaft and bearings stay in the housing and the differential and ring gear come out the back. Even if the pinion shafts and bearings are the same on early and late AMC 15 axles you can't just change the pinion gear and shaft. The seal and where the seal mounts is totally different. IIRC the pinion seal on the "big nut" axle seals on the pinion shaft. The later ones seal on the yoke. I don't think the seals will swap. I believe the machining is different on the front of th!
e housi
ng. I could be wrong -- I'e never tried to swap them. If the bearings are the same for say a 1960 American (all big nut) and a 1968 American six cylinder car (all "standard" yoke), the pinion gear shafts should interchange. I can't guarantee that they will, but there's a very good chance that they do. AMC is known for not changing things unless they had too in order to save money for more important developments. If the bearings match, then you'll have to buy a pinion shaft seal for a 68 and see if it will fit the early model housing. If that fits AND the bearings interchange, you should be able to change the ring and pinion gear, seal, and yoke to a later model. ANY 66-88 rear axle will have the same bearings and seals, and the ring and pinion gears interchange. No one has tried this (I'd try with used parts -- the bearing numbers may be different but still be the same bearings) because there has been plenty of later model Americans to swap axles from. Such is no longer the !
case. O
n the bright side, the rear axle from a Hornet/Concord/Gremlin/Spirit should be about the right size to swap into a 64-69 American. It's a bit to wide for a 58-63.
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
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For all AMC enthusiasts
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(free download available!)
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "gary david" <gary03@xxxxxxxxx>
> Frank,
>
> Hope you're keeping safe over there.
>
> Another question about the American rear end; Can I keep the rear axles and just
> replace the third member with one from another American that has the universal
> fitting, say a '67, '68' or '69? Are there other AMC third members that will
> interchange, Hornet, Eagle, Gremlin?
> Best regards,
> Gary Davis
> www.nevada-rides.com
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:11:42 -0500
From: "Clarence Milstead" <cmilstead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 5, Issue 51
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It could be timing but I'd go with a lean mixture first. I've had more
backfires from that than anything else.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 00:45:44 -0700
> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] backfire through carb
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>
> Timing.
>
> Retarded.
>
> Me I mean.
>
> On the road trip to Santa Fe last week I'd retarded it on the
> side-of-the-road "a few degrees" to deal with the crap gas I was buying.
> A "few" turned out to be 10. Can't beat actual measurement! Didn't
> pinging though, uhuh.
>
> The 87-93 Clymer's Jeep 258 book I have, says the carburetted motor
> wants 9 - 11 btdc static timing. I never bothered to look in the newer
> books before [but wanted to double-check the new-fangled timing mark
> setup], I assumed (ahem) it would be the same as older models (usually 4
> - 6btdc). Wrong again.
>
> I set it to 8btdc. I'll find out tomorrow on the drive to Irvine (45 mi.
> each way). I hope I'm not wrong a third time.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:14:49 -0400
> From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Back Fire Through Carb
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>
> Tom I hope that cures your problem. Me with the crap gas we have had for
> years I gave up using a timing light long ago and have set my timing by
> ear under a load on a hill.
> "Doc"
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:23:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rambler rear axle - big nut 15 to later
conversion?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, gary03@xxxxxxxxx
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" -------------- Original message ----------------------
" From: "gary david" <gary03@xxxxxxxxx>
" > Frank,
" >
" > Hope you're keeping safe over there.
" >
" > Another question about the American rear end; Can I keep the rear axles and just
" > replace the third member with one from another American that has the universal
" > fitting, say a '67, '68' or '69? Are there other AMC third members that will
" > interchange, Hornet, Eagle, Gremlin?
frank has it pretty much right. i can't recall the mitchell
interchange listing separate big nut and non-big-nut housings for the
'64-9 american, which makes me think there was only one listing, but
i'm not positive. anyway, if you found a '67-9 housing chances are
it'd already be stuffed with running gear.
the hornet et al rear is 57" wide vs. the '64-9 american 55.5", not
too wide to fit but it'll shift some things. you'd have a challenge
getting 6" rims off the wider rear without a lot of jacking.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:27:29 -0400
From: "Kim Bueler" <kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AM radio computer MP3 player...
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I read someone else's reply to Tom Jennings cool MP3 player, regarding
changing you current radio over to a mp3 player and an up to date radio by
retaining the original looks with new guts, and I thought that sounded like
a good idea, until that is, when my son explained to me what his IPOD could
do.
Turns out his IPOD can hold something like 900 songs and these songs can be
changed on a whim, add the FM transmitter he purchased and you can use it on
any car that has an FM radio tuner in the car.
If I had known this a year ago, I wouldn't have spent over $800 to have a
top of the line AM/FM MP3 player with remote installed in my car - sure the
car looks stock since I left the original AM radio installed and just placed
the remoter sender in an unobtrusive place in the dash and had the radio
installed in the back of the car but geez for under $400 you can get an IPOD
with an FM transmitter and use it anywhere.
Count me as totally taken by the IPOD and what it can do.
Regards,
Kim Bueler - 75 Gremlin X 360 V8
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jennings" <tomj@xxxxxxx>
To: "amc-list" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: [AMC-List] AM radio computer MP3 player...
> It's only taken me A WHOLE YEAR, but it's pretty much working now,
> though not installed.
>
> I have a linux car computer in the trunk, USB to the dashboard, and a
> hacked up 1970 AMC Hornet AM radio as the music controller, with very
> carefully crafted interface software. It does the whole enchilada (8000+
> songs in some 700 disks, so far) from just the two AM radio shafts. No
> dashboard hacks at all.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:37:42 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rambler rear axle - big nut 15 to later
conversion?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: gary03@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <18457716.1151347062612.JavaMail.root@web29>
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Not sure I can be of much help as I don't know location, but I have driveshafts and a 68 3:31 open amc15 rear axle.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " -------------- Original message ----------------------
> " From: "gary david" <gary03@xxxxxxxxx>
> " > Frank,
> " >
> " > Hope you're keeping safe over there.
> " >
> " > Another question about the American rear end; Can I keep the rear axles and just
> " > replace the third member with one from another American that has the universal
> " > fitting, say a '67, '68' or '69? Are there other AMC third members that will
> " > interchange, Hornet, Eagle, Gremlin?
>
> frank has it pretty much right. i can't recall the mitchell
> interchange listing separate big nut and non-big-nut housings for the
> '64-9 american, which makes me think there was only one listing, but
> i'm not positive. anyway, if you found a '67-9 housing chances are
> it'd already be stuffed with running gear.
>
> the hornet et al rear is 57" wide vs. the '64-9 american 55.5", not
> too wide to fit but it'll shift some things. you'd have a challenge
> getting 6" rims off the wider rear without a lot of jacking.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:57:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AM radio computer MP3 player...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606261857.k5QIvEO27555@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Kim Bueler" <kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" If I had known this a year ago, I wouldn't have spent over $800 to have a
" top of the line AM/FM MP3 player with remote installed in my car - sure the
" car looks stock since I left the original AM radio installed and just placed
" the remoter sender in an unobtrusive place in the dash and had the radio
" installed in the back of the car but geez for under $400 you can get an IPOD
" with an FM transmitter and use it anywhere.
high end cars are now coming with ipod holsters and jacks. i'd
imagine there are aftermkt din-chassis radios set up for ipod input...
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:07:33 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AM radio computer MP3 player...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <829777.1151348854015.JavaMail.root@web29>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Almost every DIN chasis out there above $100 has inputs as well as outputs now.
Sony even makes a player with memory built in the head unit. You plug it into you computer with a USB cabl;e download your music and carry it back out to your car. Your all set, no IPOD to plug in No FM transistor. I think it's a 1GB memory IIRC. I was considering one for my truck when I Ebayed the 4 disc AM/FM unit for Less than $80. So I used my Rambler mentality and said fooey on it! 4 discs of burnt disc music is enough to keep me from getting bored! The FM stations around these parts SUCK!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: "Kim Bueler" <kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx>
> "
> "
> " If I had known this a year ago, I wouldn't have spent over $800 to have a
> " top of the line AM/FM MP3 player with remote installed in my car - sure the
> " car looks stock since I left the original AM radio installed and just placed
> " the remoter sender in an unobtrusive place in the dash and had the radio
> " installed in the back of the car but geez for under $400 you can get an IPOD
> " with an FM transmitter and use it anywhere.
>
> high end cars are now coming with ipod holsters and jacks. i'd
> imagine there are aftermkt din-chassis radios set up for ipod input...
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:25:20 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Hydrogen Fuel'd Vehicles Have Arrived
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Quantum to be Awarded Contract by ARB to Supply Hydrogen Hybrid
Vehicles
?
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?
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?
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