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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 65 American speedo (Mark Price)
2. Re: 64 Classic 770 blower motor wanted/Typhoon project
(Mark Price)
3. Found this listing (Wayne E LaMothe)
4. Re: 65 American speedo (Tom Jennings)
5. Cecil County AMC meet this weekend (Eddie Stakes)
6. 59 Classic parts (russ hathaway)
7. Cleaning the bottle (russ hathaway)
8. Known issues on AMC V8s (Nick ALFANO)
9. Re: 65 American speedo (Gary L. Kirk)
10. fee-bay auctions: ram air actuator, overlay, ram air, more
(Eddie Stakes)
11. link for my 66 rambler (J. w.)
12. Re: link for my 66 rambler (Tom Jennings)
13. 6 manifold gasket question (JOE FULTON)
14. Re: link for my 66 rambler (Glen Hoag)
15. Re: 6 manifold gasket question (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 7:23:45 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 65 American speedo
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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NOW, that's something id did not know, not that there is a lot I don't know! I never knew there was a high and low mounted speedo tailshaft on the Borg trans!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Gary, I bet that's not the original trans! Sounds like the speedo is
> being driven backwards.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 7:50:20 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Classic 770 blower motor wanted/Typhoon
project
Cc: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, 65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx
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If 65 is the same I have motor and cage from my 65 convert I could check out to see if it is good. I'm going aftermarket with mine.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> WANTED - blower motor set up for '64 Classic 770. The casing, squirrel
> cage, and motor are shot on my Typhoon project. Also need side glass, door
> and quarter, and front & rear windshields. North Port, Florida Kenny
> Anderson 65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx 941-423-9570
> ===============================
> anyone that can help please feel free to give them a shout above, thanks
> Eddie Stakes'
> Planet Houston AMX
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:33:16 -0400
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Found this listing
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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July 15, 20067th Annual Mopar - AMC Car & Truck Show at Van Campen Dodge
Chrysler & Jeep 601 W Third ST. Show presented by Mopar Muscle of Central
PA, 22 classes with 1st, 2nd 3rd in each class, live radio by Backyard
Broadcast, DJ, Food, door prizes. Dash Plaques to the 1ST 100 Entries.
Registration from 9:00 am to 12:00 Noon. Pre-registration is $8.00 per
vehicle by July 9 after and day of show $10.00, vendor spaces $10.00.
Judging starts at 1:00 sharp, awards at 3:00, Stock classes limited to 3
modifications, Denny Ackley 88 Ridge Dr. Danville Pa. 17821 Duane White
e-mail: victauro@xxxxxxx
I have no connection but thought this might interest some people on the
list
Wayne
Wayne & Lisa (Skeezix), Bolton Landing, NY,
http://www.superglider.thinkhost.com/
AMO#8454, 83 Eagle Limited Wagon, 82 SX/4, 258 auto
69 Ambo coupe, 401, M12, 66 Ambo 990 Wagon, 327,PW,PB,PS,posi,AM/FM,AC
88 Jeep J10 360, auto- a Real truck
2001 Cherokee, 2000 Chrysler Cirrus (both hers)
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:51:36 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 65 American speedo
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 07:23 -0700, Mark Price wrote:
> NOW, that's something id did not know, not that there is a lot I don't know! I never knew there was a high and low mounted speedo tailshaft on the Borg trans!
Wow -- likewise. I assume there's some sense to when they are mounted
high vs. low?
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Gary, I bet that's not the original trans! Sounds like the speedo is
> > being driven backwards.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:32:17 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Cecil County AMC meet this weekend
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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15th Annual All AMC Day Car Show, Race & Swap Meet
==========================================
15th Annual All AMC Day at Cecil County Dragway. Come attend one the of the
largest AMC events on the East Coast. Drag racing open to AMC powered
vehicles only. Car show to be run by D.V.A.M.O., Potomac Ramblers and
Appalachian Trail A.M.C.R.C. Also check out one of the largest AMC swap
meets around! At last years race over $3,000 was paid out in race winnings!
Sponsored by Mid-Atlantic AMX Club / D.V.A.M.O. / Potomac Ramblers /
Appalacian Trail A.M.C.R.C. ; Admission: Race Entry: $60.00 for car and
driver / Specators $10.00 / Car Show To Be Determined
When: 2006-06-24
Location: Cecil County Dragway
To Register: call Don Bangs at 215-364-3548
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:12:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 59 Classic parts
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Came across a well used 59 Classic. The body is
straight save for one broken wing window. All chrome
is intact and remaining glass too. The windshield has
wiper marks, though. The interior is shot. 3-spd OD.
White with blue interior. A pissed off logger got
drunk and shot up the doors, floors are solid.
Headliner nice. Anyone need parts email me off list or
phone 503-589-9845 Pacific times, I'm in Oregon....Russ
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:18:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Cleaning the bottle
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I cleaned one by soaking it in the sink with about a
cup of vineger, let it soak overnight. Rinse with
soapy water and a handfull of rice (acts as a mild
abrasive) by plugging all openings and shaking real
good. Drain and repeat rinse with straight water.....Russ
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:28:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Known issues on AMC V8s
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Todd,
There are a couple things to keep in mind when
building an AMC V8 and some are dependent on the year.
1. For any bridge over style rocker head as well as
anything still running umbrella style valve seals,
.500 lift is about the max you can get out of either
of these without having an issue. If you plan on
putting a cam in that is about or is over .500 lift,
use a stud mounted or shaft style rocker set up and
have PC seals installed instead of the umbrella seals.
2. Make sure either your front cam bearing or the
front cam journal has the oil groove around the entire
circumference and that it lines up with the oil
passage in the block.
3. For any engine that is going to see 6000+ rpms on
a regular basis or one that will be running at higher
rpms for an extended period of time, install the
internal oil line under the intake. It is also a good
idea to install a larger oil pan in this situation.
4. Always sonic test an engine you are going to bore
more than .030 over. Sonic testing will tell you the
thickness of the cylinder walls at top middle and
bottom so you will know if you are going to have a
cooling problem. Some engines had a core shift which
would cause them to be .250 in one spot and .125 in
another. .125 is the rule of thumb for when a sleeve
is needed.
There are others like when trying to put later style
heads on a 68-69 engine or switching from a Borg
Warner style trans to a Torque Flight. These are just
a few things to know and they are basic rule of thumb
issues for AMC V8s. Every engine is different but if
you apply the basics you should be fine.
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
262-308-1302
Message: 9
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:23:37 -0500
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Known Issues on AMC V8's
To: AMC List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I remember someone listing out three or four known
issues when
rebuilding an
AMC V8, but I couldn't find the old email. In
particular I remember
the
discussion being that rebuilding an AMC motor wasn't
any worse than
another
make as long as you knew the quirks. Can anybody list
them out for me?
Thanks,
Todd
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:28:00 -0400
From: "Gary L. Kirk" <glkirkbuilders@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 65 American speedo
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Frank, thanks much for this. I will look into it when I get some time.
Thanks again, Gary Kirk
----- Original Message -----
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <glkirkbuilders@xxxxxxx>; <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 65 American speedo
> Gary, I bet that's not the original trans! Sounds like the speedo is
> being driven backwards. What year is the car? 64 and later Americans, 63
> and later Classic/Ambo have the speedo cable driven UNDER the output
> shaft. If you look where the abcle comes out of the trans it's low
> enough you should be able to tell it's driving under the shaft. If not,
> pull the cable from the trans and then you can look in the hole and tell
> that the speedo cable gear is under the output shaft for sure. Sounds
> like yours is driven from ABOVE the output shaft like PRE 64 Americans
> and PRE 63 Classic/Ambo. I had the same problem with a 63 American which
> had a later model 65 transmission. The cable gears are the same as I
> recall, but the gear on the shaft is different and must be chagned also.
> What I did was get an early model extension housing and swap it and the
> gear. As long as the trans model is the same (in this case a T-35), the
> extension housings will interchange. You might be able to just change
> the gear on the shaft without changing the extension housing, I'm not
> sure. The high mounted gear is difficult to get the cable in on a later
> model car though. That's what makes me think you have a 64 or later car
> with an earlier transmission housing. You don't have to remove the trans
> to get the extension housing and speedo drive gear off. The gear is held
> on by a large snap ring -- the kind that's hard to get off unless you
> have the special tool to do it, but once the ring is off the gear slides
> right off.
>
> -----original message -----------------------
> Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 08:42 AM
> From: Gary L. Kirk <glkirkbuilders@xxxxxxx>
> Frank, The problems are, this one swings wildly from 0 to 120 wheras the
> other one just jumped a little and clicked annoyingly loud. I put in a
> new
> cable which turned out to be a little long. There fore first thing the
> plastic insulation got a little melted but I don't think it hurt it. It
> seems to spin fine and smoothly. BTW the tranny has to be just about
> removed
> to get new cable in.
> Both the heads seem to be not too dirty. Is there a mechanism inside the
> bell?
>
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:10:05 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] fee-bay auctions: ram air actuator, overlay, ram
air, more
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Just listed a few really hard to find items, feel free to bid or mark me as
one of your favorite sellers hee hee, this is a main link to all the fee bay
auctions however, and thanks shuold anyone here bid on any of my stuff, it
is appreciated.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrtsZ100QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZeddiestakes
In the for those who have asked catagory:
Lots of water, but no flooding here in this side of Houston, we only got
about 8-9 inches, but came up, drained off. Ten miles from me bad, 30 miles
from me is where many of the photos you see on the national news have been,
down around where the AMO National meet was in 2001 near Hobby Airport.
Today, Matagorda sout of Houston got 15+ inches of rain. Could sure use the
rain but damn, not all at once!
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. w." <sacranoidclub@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] link for my 66 rambler
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sacranoidclub/album?.dir=/ecae
i know i have talked about for the past month or so
and here are the photos i took this past weeknd and
here is that ride for the 2006 challange.
jason
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:54:30 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] link for my 66 rambler
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 18:48 -0700, J. w. wrote:
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sacranoidclub/album?.dir=/ecae
>
> i know i have talked about for the past month or so
> and here are the photos i took this past weeknd and
> here is that ride for the 2006 challange.
That's a sweet car! 40 yrs old and looks great. I think well-kept
survivors like this are great to have at shows -- they look good
outright and really show state-of-the-art in their year of manufacture.
So what's the 2006 Challenge?
tomj
> jason
>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 6 manifold gasket question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I got the Napa intake/exhaust gasket manifold gasket
set for my 6 cylinder Gremlin X. The gasket set has
an intake gasket which naturally covers only the
intake manifold mating surface (to the cylinder head).
It also includes a complete one-piece intake/exhaust
manifold gasket. I know many folks don't use anything
but the intake manifold gasket (like the factory), but
I want to use the complete gasket. However, my
question is, can you use the intake manifold gasket
along with the complete one-piece gasket.
Also on the one piece gasket, it is not marked as to
which side goes toward the cylinder head.
BTW this appears to be a Victor gasket set relabeled
as a Napa part. Any help appreciated before tomorrow
evening.
Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:01:23 -0500
From: Glen Hoag <hoag@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] link for my 66 rambler
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
>So what's the 2006 Challenge?
The Kumho Tires/Grassroots Motorsports Magazine $2006 Challenge is a
drag/autocross/concours competition in which entrants are limited to
a total budget of $2006. This is the seventh running of the
Challenge, with the budget always equal to the year.
The rules state that you can sell parts to be able to afford new
bits. It looks like a lot of fun.
<http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/category/2006-challenge/>
Joe Gearin, the magazine's advertising sales guy, is a fan of AMCs,
among other things. (I advertise my EFI business with them.)
--
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hoag@xxxxxx '76 Pacer 258 (for parts)
Limestone County, Alabama '77 Pacer 258 (for kids)
'80 Pacer 258 DL wagon
'81 Concord DL 258
AMO #7895 AMCPC #471 '82 Spirit 151
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:11:46 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 6 manifold gasket question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 19:58 -0700, JOE FULTON wrote:
> I got the Napa intake/exhaust gasket manifold gasket
> set for my 6 cylinder Gremlin X. The gasket set has
> an intake gasket which naturally covers only the
> intake manifold mating surface (to the cylinder head).
> It also includes a complete one-piece intake/exhaust
> manifold gasket.
I use the two-piece sets, and have had no problems with long-term leaks,
loosening, etc. To do the job right means you have to loosen the four
bolts (studs) that bolt the intake to the exhaust manifolds. Of course
on old engines they like to break, especially the top ones near the
center exhaust ports.
The sandwiched perf metal one goes on the head, I think smoothest side
to the block, perfs out. It will (barely) stay on the locating dowels as
you assemble. The blue one goes on top (towards manifold). It ought to
be marked, but I'm fairly sure it's symmetrical. The loop in the middle
of the blue intake gasket goes up. I had one once that needed to be
clipped slightly to not be pinched by the manifold against the block.
The reason for loosening the two manifold halves is of course that the
intake gasket (two gaskets) is thicker than the exhaust (one gasket).
Just snug (inch/lbs by hand) the manifolds up to the block (the gaskets
will want to slip down as you assemble them) before re-tightenin the
manifold halfs.
I always recheck torque after getting it hot for a day or so, but it
seems to be a waste of tim ewith these new gaskets.
> I know many folks don't use anything
> but the intake manifold gasket (like the factory), but
> I want to use the complete gasket. However, my
> question is, can you use the intake manifold gasket
> along with the complete one-piece gasket.
>
> Also on the one piece gasket, it is not marked as to
> which side goes toward the cylinder head.
>
> BTW this appears to be a Victor gasket set relabeled
> as a Napa part. Any help appreciated before tomorrow
> evening.
>
> Regards,
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
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