Re: [AMC-List] Report from the desert

[Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>]

My SX4 did something similar to me after darts one night. 

Turned the key, heard the starter move, then nothing. Couldn't turn the engine
by hand either. Boosting didn't help. Being an automatic I couldn't unlock the
starter by just pushing the car back and forth so I had to loosened the starter,
heard the gear retract, and tightened it up again. Started fine and didn't do
that again for the next 5 or so years I drove it. 
 
Ken 


Quoting Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>:

> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 
> From: eddie walker <moparedwalker@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] report from the desert
> 
> ...Sure sounds like a timing chain broke....
> 
> -----> This situation DOES sound like a timing chain
> issue, maybe even a valve strike on a piston.  I
> pulled the drivetrain(the only real way to get at
> either the engine or trans on these pre-77 Gremlins). 
> After removing the belts, the water pump turned
> freely. Engine still wouldn't rotate. Hmmm. Checked
> the alternator, rotates freely. Engine still wouldnt'
> rotate. Hmmm. No antifreeze in oil. No oil in
> antifreeze.  When I pulled the starter, it was VERY
> difficult to remove.  As I finally pulled it free, I
> detected a slight rotation of the crank. HMMM?  Yes,
> the starter itself had frozen, with the drive gear in
> the extended position.  Upon further inspection, it
> appears that one of the magnets on the casing has come
> loose and jammed, producing a lot of heat, as there is
> severe bearing failure on both ends of the starter
> shaft.  The starter case is even ovalized
> slightly(about .040 across the diameter). NOW the
> engine rotates just fine. Pulled the valve cover and
> had a look at the rockers while rotating it.  Checked
> the distributor, everything seems to still be in time.
>  Incredibly, no damage to the teeth on the flexplate. 
> So I could just call it one very difficult and
> time-consuming starter replacement.  But the miss I
> mentioned still concerns me, and there is quite a
> pronounced tick(almost a knock) coming from the lifter
> galley at #3 cylinder.  So I have lined up Molly's
> 258, the Jeep 258, and the extra '76 232 side by side.
>  Last night I ordered a Comp Cams towing cam and
> lifters, a Cloyes true-roller timing set, new hardened
> pushrods, guide plates, and scored a set of steel
> hydraulic roller rockers off of a friend. Once I have
> all the heads off I'll make a decision on replacement.
>  There's a place in Phoenix called Bill's Cylinder
> Heads that my Dad and I have used for over 30 years
> that does excellent work and offers rebuilt AMC I-6
> heads for 99$.  The parts should be in by Saturday, so
> with any luck Project Mollyfloggin' should be up by
> Monday, and Molly can go back to irritating the clones
> in traffic. Oh, yeah, after all the cam stuff and
> associated doo dads like thermostat housing,
> thermostat and various gaskets and seals, I forgot to
> buy a starter. What a moron.
>  mike
> 
> 
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