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Today's Topics:
1. Re: my 62 classic project (Sandwich Maker)
2. my 62 classic project (d stohler)
3. Re: my 62 classic project (Mark Price)
4. Re: New Projects To Start Today (Mark Price)
5. Re: New Projects To Start Today (Widiker, John D)
6. Re: T-5 comments (Mark Price)
7. Report from the desert (Michael Bailey)
8. my 62 classic project (Michael Bailey)
9. Re: my 62 classic project (Widiker, John D)
10. AMC-List] my 62 classic project-correct link (Michael Bailey)
11. Re: my 62 classic project (Glenn Ford)
12. Re: front wheel speedo/ my 62 classic project (Mark Price)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:33:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606141633.k5EGXJv07148@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" My thoughts are that being that far short would require a
" coupler/shaft between the trans and the driveshaft, complicating
" things. I guess you could use the Jeep tailhousing over a car T-5
" output shaft and work things out from there.
that's what i was thinking of.
" Still a lot of work to keep a torque tube.
i'll grant i haven't tried it, but except for the speedo cable hole
all the critical dimensions are concentric and it would seem
relatively straightforward to turn them on a mill.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:40:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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i really appriciate all the help everyone on the list has given me. however, some of the people who are offering help have missed some of the eppisodes of my project. here is the break down....
304, ported heads, edelbrock proflow fuel injection, headers, duel exauhst is in the plans for the motor. t5 with a stage 2 centerforce clutch for tranny/clutch. open drive shaft with an amc 20 rear. get away with the torque tube. i have got a new triangulated 4 link for the rear. have 1 of 2 ways to go with the rear springs tho. either go with coil over shocks, build a cross brace to mount them to.. or leave stock springs, siffer rate, cut about 1.5" out of the ride height. front suspension, poly bushings, adjustable shocks, stiffer springs. i liked franks rack and pinnion set up. contemplating that now. sway bars front and rear. anyway. there it is for the drivetrain and suspension. old car, little more modern, fun driving car, hoping for fuel economy to be able to drive often, if not every day if i feel like. interior, retain stock seats, may have to modify center of the 50/50 bench to clear a mustang tailshafted t5 so the seats slide far enough forward to make the
bed. have a new head unit with cd player mounted under the dash, stock am radio still works. retained it. will be recovered inside with light blue and white vynil. cant afford leather. body... it is ford oxford white, will have light blue trim painted on it. trying to go with some 17" nostalgic looking rims. no real changes in the body. brakes, try the mustang II disks upfront that i have been told will fit on the spindles with minor work. machine up mounts to put ford 8.8 disk kit i found on the rear.
overall, a car that should be fun to drive, and when i want to take it to the road cours and throw it around, it should handle it fairly well.
thank you to everyone who has pitched in words of advice and all. you all have been very helpful. as alot of you have read, i am in iraq right now. making a few extra bucks right now, and got the money now, so im trying to get the parts now while i can, if i wait till i get home, it will never happen. i am relying on all the advice i have gotten on here to get stuff that will work. and when the project is done, i will have all of you on the amc-list to thank. i think it will be a fun driving car.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:46:52 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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This is true and we are talking a 1962 vintage car here, so you could go to a front wheel driven speedo. I'm not so sure on the particulars of getting one to work, but I know it has been done. You could also get an electronic speed sensor into your adapter pretty easily.
--
Mark Price
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Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " My thoughts are that being that far short would require a
> " coupler/shaft between the trans and the driveshaft, complicating
> " things. I guess you could use the Jeep tailhousing over a car T-5
> " output shaft and work things out from there.
>
> that's what i was thinking of.
>
> " Still a lot of work to keep a torque tube.
>
> i'll grant i haven't tried it, but except for the speedo cable hole
> all the critical dimensions are concentric and it would seem
> relatively straightforward to turn them on a mill.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:49:07 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] New Projects To Start Today
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx>
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Me too!
I can litterly order a part at noon or one o'clock in the afternoon on one day and it will be sitting on my porch when I get home the next! No extra charge, I'm just lucky as I'm close to Ohio!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I love that Jeggs fast mail order service. I ordered a 2 quart larger
> 904 tranny oil pan a billet over flow tank a tranny oil cooler and an
> auxiliary fan last friday. It all arrived tuesday afternoon. Now to
> start the installation of the oil cooled and the fan so I can finally
> get my grill back in. :-)~
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:54:06 -0400
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] New Projects To Start Today
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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When any car part takes longer to arrive then 1 day now I get all
grumpy, I've been spoiled by my proximity too.
~John
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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:49 PM
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Cc: Mr. AMC
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] New Projects To Start Today
Me too!
I can litterly order a part at noon or one o'clock in the afternoon on
one day and it will be sitting on my porch when I get home the next! No
extra charge, I'm just lucky as I'm close to Ohio!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I love that Jeggs fast mail order service. I ordered a 2 quart larger
> 904 tranny oil pan a billet over flow tank a tranny oil cooler and an
> auxiliary fan last friday. It all arrived tuesday afternoon. Now to
> start the installation of the oil cooled and the fan so I can finally
> get my grill back in. :-)~
>
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> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:43:56 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] T-5 comments
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
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I'm sorry and don't want to bash you, but this info is incorrect.
The Z-code and Cobra trans has the high rating, not all world class transmissions. You have to be careful of what you get, the newer the trans the higher the rating up unitl the 93 Cobra trans and or Z-code aftermarket Motosport version.
World class is a term designating the bearing upgrades and improved shift feel, IIRC the early "world class" trans does not have a much higher torque rating then the "non world class". That's why I don't care that the stuff I have to put together the 2.95 geared trans for behine my 4.0L is non world class.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> The world class unit is rated around 325 to 300 ft lbs of torque. This
> compares to the about 400 ft lbs of torque that a T-10 is rated at. This
> is a significant increase over the lighter duty units used by Ford and
> on the Jeep and AMC products.
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:47:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Report from the desert
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Hi, been a while, thought I'd check in. The 258 engine seized on my 74 Gremlin, Molly last night. It's had a good miss going on for a while now, with an inconsistent backfire, and no amount of tuning would take it out. Last night I pulled up to a store, and when I shut her off, there was just a split second of dieseling-like noise, and that has never happened before. When I tried to start her after coming out, it acted like the starter was drawing too much current(click click). After a little checking, it became apparent that the motor is frozen. Well, Phoenix in June, maybe "frozen" isn't the right word. At any rate, I'm sure that I know exactly what's wrong. I just thought it would be interesting to see what some of the guesses from list members would be BEFORE I take it apart. Oil's great, coolant's great(wasn't even hot in 110-plus) On the bright side, I have a Jeep 258 or a 76 232 that can go in while I repair the 258 that's in Molly now. Of course, I am
right in the middle of yet another move. The trailer park I've been living in was sold -you guessed it, to developers. Usually not a big loss with most trailer parks, but this one is over 50 years old, 84 sites, with 2-1/2 acres per site, huge mature trees and pastures everywhere, irrigation, horses, just a paradise. Oh well. So I get to pull an engine swap in the middle of a move(again). People have been talking on the list lately about works-in-progress. So I thought I would review this particular project, called Project Mollyfloggin', which is now just over a year underway. Molly Blue is an experimental test bed for Keeping Your Gremlin Alive in the 21st Century, and I use her for my daily driver. I bought her in 2005, at the same time as the Alamosa Project(69 Javelin SST), on the fifth of May, or as we say here in the United States, Cinco de Mayo. The car is a 74 Gremlin with virtually no options except A/C and a luggage rack, and AM radio. I replaced the
original bench seat, steering wheel, visors, armrests and shifter knob with buckets and stuff from a 77 Hornet AMX. So all the tactile surfaces are AMX. A couple months later I scored a gorgeous dash pad, gauge insert, and locking glovebox surround from a 72 Hornet SST 2 door. About that time the City of Phoenix decided it needed my 12.5 acres more than I did, and we had to move. Then the throwout bearing on the 3 speed failed, munching the fingers on the pressure plate. So I got to do a tranny job, in the middle of a desperate move, in a housing market gone mad(800% climb in my area in last two years). Lacking the 350.00 needed for replacement parts, I scrounged a junkyard floor shifter(82 SX/4) and four gauge mini-console from an 85 Eagle wagon, and installed the automatic from my 76 Gremlin. Then my crumbling dashboard finally finished crumbling. Luckily there was a beautiful 74 Sportabout at a local yard that was happy to donate a nearly-perfect dash. I took the
opportunity at this time to replace the hatch lid with tinted glass (76 Gremlin) and re-dye the door panels, and a friend donated a headliner to the cause(78 Concord hatchback). It doesn't fit exactly, but it's very close. About this time, scored two cool Rambler American 440's from LA, a 67 HT and a 66 convertible, both V8's. Around this same time, the County of Maricopa decided it needed the house I was renting more than I did, so that PIR could have yet another lane on 115th ave. The tranny ran great, but leaked horrifically. Upon further inspection, the drain plug appeared to be stripped. Pulled the powertrain again, (in the middle of another desperate move, still insanity in the market, AND I had to retrieve two cars one at a time 300 miles from LA) installed all new seals and a new torque converter. This got me up to about 3 AM on the morning of the Cactus Classic AMO meet, where Larry Daum had encouraged me to "bring the Earl Schreib Gremlin". But I knew it
wouldn't get done unless I missed the meet. So I went without taking Molly. It turned out misery loves company, and Larry had a similar story on his Javelin, so we didn't get to see each other's cars. Then I got the great idea to adjust the bands on that tranny, botched something, and it wouldn't move. So I pulled the auto out of my 75 Gremln X and swapped it in. At the same time, cut out the rust in the floor pan and patched it for now with an aircraft rivet gun and some stout aluminum sheet, sealed at the edges with epoxy. Also, patched and re-wired most of the rear harness. Been running great until now. Oh yeah, new brakes and carburetor in there somewhere. Scored perfect taillight lenses off a 71 Gremlin at the local yard. And chrome latch bezels for the inside door panels from an 81 Concord DL, and an AM/FM radio from a 73 hornet sedan. Replaced the front signals with units from a 75 Matador 4 door. All the interior plastic is complete, from many donor cars,
and awaiting a re-dye. There has been extensive cleaning, de-rusting, parts hunting, and bodywork on the other five projects going on at the same time. Have obtained many documents, ads and brochures(up to about 600 advertisements, need to scan them in) and a friend of mine, Dan Lopez, bought one of Eddie's Javelin/AMX books and donated it. I owe an apology to Joe Fulton and Eddie Stakes for deals that I promised but was unable to follow up on, Joe for a Hornet grille, and Eddie for a couple of books I am going to order. I am very sorry, guys. Usually I am reliable as a mule, but circumstances are tough, what with all the moving etc. I will be back on those deals as soon as possible. By the way, I noticed the suits and surveyors taking pictures at the tiny 1-br apartment I am moving into, so the jig is up on that place, too, probably in the next 6 to 9 months. I am becoming very familiar with this process now. At least the housing market is beginning to cool some,
prices are off about 25% right now. Wish the weather was cooling, too. I pulled the website down for a while, due to overwhelmingly negative response. Let me know what you guys want to see that's not at other places, as opposed to just sending hate mail, and I will try and incorporate constructive suggestions into what I am doing there. I have a couple of different ideas I want to kick around on the list vis-a-vis the Route 66 Rambler museum, but I don't want to take any more space than I already have on this post.
See ya, gotta go load the truck(or was that pull a drivetrain?).
mike
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:58:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
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On the seat clearance for the T-5, one option might be an AC Cobra-style shifter. They bend forward, almost horizontally, and could be modified easily, while providing bolt-in reliability with high performance. The specific unit I am thinking of is available from Factory Five Racing in Framingham, Massachusetts. They make Cobra replicas based on Mustangs, and sell other parts for souping up Mustangs, such as tubular adjustable control arms, shocks, and a subframe for installing the IRS from an 87-93(or thereabouts) Thunderbird Supercoupe.
http:///www.factoryfiveracing.com
mike
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:12:19 -0400
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
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The link is www.factoryfive.com good couple guys there.
~J
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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:58 PM
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Subject: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
On the seat clearance for the T-5, one option might be an AC Cobra-style
shifter. They bend forward, almost horizontally, and could be modified
easily, while providing bolt-in reliability with high performance. The
specific unit I am thinking of is available from Factory Five Racing in
Framingham, Massachusetts. They make Cobra replicas based on Mustangs,
and sell other parts for souping up Mustangs, such as tubular adjustable
control arms, shocks, and a subframe for installing the IRS from an
87-93(or thereabouts) Thunderbird Supercoupe.
http:///www.factoryfiveracing.com
mike
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:25:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC-List] my 62 classic project-correct link
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Sorry, Factory Five has changed the name of their
address since the last time I saw it. Here is the
correct link:
http://www.factoryfive.com/
mike
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:34:39 -0600
From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
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Corvairs had left front wheel-driven speedo throught the spindle. I don't
think
strength of spindle would be affected by drilling out for cable, if
practical in this
case, but GM boo-boo'd and had after-market batches of cables made up
(I found out years later) that were made with an opposite twist in the
cable.
I had one of those, and it totalled the casing when it unwound after about
100 miles.
It snagged in the elbow by the wheel. I suspect there is an easier and
better way,
probably with electronics, as Mark suggests.
Glenn Ford
>Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:46 PM
>From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>This is true and we are talking a 1962 vintage car here, so you could go to
>a
>front wheel driven speedo. I'm not so sure on the particulars of getting
>one to
>work, but I know it has been done. You could also get an electronic speed
>sensor into your adapter pretty easily.
>--
>Mark Price
>markprice242ATadelphia.net
>Morgantown, WV
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:21:15 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] front wheel speedo/ my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Glenn Ford <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Another thing I've seen mentioned somewhere on the web now is using GPS signals for a speedometer! Now that's out there and what happens when you go into a tunnel or underpass?
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Glenn Ford <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Corvairs had left front wheel-driven speedo throught the spindle. I don't
> think
> strength of spindle would be affected by drilling out for cable, if
> practical in this
> case, but GM boo-boo'd and had after-market batches of cables made up
> (I found out years later) that were made with an opposite twist in the
> cable.
> I had one of those, and it totalled the casing when it unwound after about
> 100 miles.
> It snagged in the elbow by the wheel. I suspect there is an easier and
> better way,
> probably with electronics, as Mark suggests.
>
> Glenn Ford
>
> >Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:46 PM
> >From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >This is true and we are talking a 1962 vintage car here, so you could go to
> >a
> >front wheel driven speedo. I'm not so sure on the particulars of getting
> >one to
> >work, but I know it has been done. You could also get an electronic speed
> >sensor into your adapter pretty easily.
> >--
> >Mark Price
> >markprice242ATadelphia.net
> >Morgantown, WV
>
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