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Today's Topics:

   1. it's back........ (Eddie Stakes)
   2. Re: Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
   3. Re: my 62 classic custom project/overdrive parts (John Elle)
   4. P Cardin material on EBay (Ken Ames)
   5. Re: my 62 classic custom  project (OD solenoid, governor,
      wiring) (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
   6. Another source for wiring diagrams....
      (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
   7. Cruise Night coming up (Armand Eshleman)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:27:49 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] it's back........
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4648210441
yup, relisted the thing as a deadbeat bidder never paid me from back in
April 25th! go have a laugh, has new annoying photos! I should have relisted 
it on 666 the other day....
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:00:53 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<060820060300.11335.448792E5000414AD00002C472206998499019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
	

I used a plastic replacement on my 85 CJ-7 that suffered from blown exhaust manifold gasket deformation.  It was supplied by Willys-Overland in Toledo.  I recall being impressed with the thickness of the plastic and it carries no "Jeep" markings.  In fact, the motor has been standing on end in my garage for nearly two years and the cover has not leaked.   =:D

-Spro

 
> SNIP
> There were at least 2 after market improved plastic valve covers. I have
> used one of them. The problem with them was they too did not like over
> tightening and when trying to install one with the engine in the car and
> after many miles of abuse, neglect and oil leaks over tightening was
> pretty much going to be a given. Also the recommended sealant was
> weather seal glue for the front door of your house. This was also a
> really poor choice as the now greasy engine that was extremely hard to
> work with when in the car, covered by smog components and vacuum lines
> and a really healthy build up of road grime and grease really did not
> let the weather seal glue stuff work, if it ever could and I frankly
> don't think that it could. 
> My opinion of one of the aftermarket plastic valve covers was if you
> substituted formagasket #2 or formagasket aviation gasket cement it
> actually would work. 
> However the best solution is to install aftermarket aluminum valve
> covers. For the most part these are made for Jeep Applications and will
> feature Jeep words embossed on the valve cover. These too will be
> difficult to install. 


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:05:48 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic custom project/overdrive parts
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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SNIP
does anyone know where i would get ahold of a 12 volt solenoid and
govoner for
a borg warner r10 overdrive unit? 
SNIP
Other than the suggestion of checking with AMC vendors you might want to
run something like a Yahoo Search using[ "Borg Warner" +overdrive
+parts]
There are some 14,000 web sites out there that address Borg Warner Over
Drives. By refining it a bit with the insertion of R10 you might be able
to narrow down a few things. Ford was a big user of this unit and I
would not be surprised to find that GM used it a bit too. Not sure about
Chrysler but Studebaker and Jeep did as well as others. 
Now that you have one it may pay to do a bit of foot work to find parts
for it so that you can use it. 
At one point in time a lot of Model A Fords were converted to use one as
they too were torque tube drive so maybe a Model A Ford owner may have
parts for one.
Good Luck
John
 
 


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Message: 4
Date: Wed,  7 Jun 2006 22:17:18 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] P Cardin material on EBay
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1149740238.4487a4ce05511@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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What a find! Anybody we know after it?

#  4646328793	

Ken Ames

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73-74-75-76GremlinXs,75PacerX,76Hornet2dsd,77Matadorcpe,2-77AMXs,78AMX,
78Gremlin,78GremlinGT,79Concordhb,79PacerDL8,2-79AMXs,2-80AMXs,
2-80SpiritDL,80Eagle4dsdn,2-81SX4s,81SpiritGT,81Concord4dsd,82Eaglesw,
2-85Eaglesw,80J20,85J10,89Sentra4dsd   (38)

AMCA = http://clubs.hemmings.com/amcalberta/






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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:19:27 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic custom  project (OD solenoid,
	governor,	wiring)
To: <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>, <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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	<8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E65F78@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
	
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Dave, just remember that it doesn't matter what year or make the
governor and solenoid come from. All BW R-10 OD parts interchange, and
all the OD units were made by BW from the 30s through the 60s. When you
find them, let me know and I'll tell you what to look for before
installing. Just a couple minor things to do before trying to connect
the OD unit. 

You need one other thing too -- the kick-down switch. Doesn't matter
what year or model Rambler it comes from, but I'm not sure if other
makes are the same. What you're looking for is a four pole "snap"
switch. I'm not sure that's the technical term. What the switch does is
keep two of the poles connected, passing power to the solenoid. When you
press the switch (it's usually on the throttle linkage on the engine) it
connects the other two poles momentarily then "snaps" back open, again
closing the original two. Let it up and it resets. The second set of
poles short out the ignition just for the fraction of a second it takes
the switch to "snap" back. As John Elle mentioned, it simulates pushing
in the clutch when the OD downshifts, taking the load off the trans.
Without this, or using the clutch (which would be a pain), the OD won't
last long. There's to much load when the OD engages and disengages if
power is being transmitted from the engine. You should be able to
duplicate this with relays and one or two momentary switches.... I
think. Someone more versed in electronics could figure it out once they
know what needs to be done (hit one switch that activates a relay that
breaks power to solenoid and shorts ignition, as soon as ignition shorts
another relay breaks power to the first relay... something like that,
but you have to make allowance for the first switch staying pressed in a
passing situation... that's what has me stumped -- maybe an electronic
timer switch would be a better solution?).

It won't matter if you get a single or double terminal governor. You
just ground the second terminal on the governor if you wire it as a
single terminal type. I believe the 62 uses the single terminal and
later ones (63+) use double. You may or may not use a relay -- I would
since the solenoid draws at least 20 amps when pulling in (probably more
like a 25-30A momentary surge), 5-10 holding. If you have a separate
fuse specifically for the solenoid a relay isn't required. That's why
the 63-64 American doesn't use a relay but the 63-64 Classic does (see
wiring diagrams in Tech section, http://www.amccf.com/main.html). An
easier to read wiring diagram is at
http://www.mattsoldcars.com/techinfo/images/66od.gif. Use a relay
connected to the switch for power so the full juice of the solenoid
doesn't go through the switch. I couldn't find a diagram with a single
terminal governor. You can convert a single to a double with just a
little easy surgery if necessary though. 

Here's the link to an OD manual on-line. It's from the 50s, and uses the
single terminal governor --
http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/trans/Borg-Warner%20Overdrive/index.htm.
Wiring diagram is on page 11. AMC never used the "shift rail lock-out
switch", which interrupted power if the system was locked out. Instead
of connecting to the distributor, AMCs connect directly to the negative
side of the coil. Ignore the ignition solenoid, switch, and gauge
cluster. The OD relay gets connected straight to the battery. No fuse is
used in this diagram, but a 20A fuse is recommended (that will take a
momentary 20-30A surge), or a fusible link. Note that the wire is pretty
heavy in the diagram, but note the 6V battery. A 6V system would require
twice the amperage of a 12V system (up to 60A surge!). 



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:34:06 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Another source for wiring diagrams....
To: <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>, <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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http://www.tocmp.com/tOCMP/wiring/5765wiring%20diagrams/ramblerindex.htm

Lots of wiring diagrams! Look at the 59 American page. Find the coil
then follow the blue wire to the OD kickdown switch. You'll eventually
find a single contact governor. 

And yes, GM did use the BW OD on the back of Saginaw transmissions. Ford
used them also. I'm pretty sure Chrysler did too. BW had a patent on the
thing in the 30s, and later it just wasn't cost effective to build their
own as long as BW kept prices within reason and sales of the units
weren't really high. 


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:50:25 -0500
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Cruise Night coming up
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <002001c68af1$bbc77400$6601a8c0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hello all,
If any of you live in the Spencer Iowa area be on the main drag
(highway 71 through town) on this Saturday,  June 10. Action
begins after 5:00 pm. Expected number of cars is at least 400
as in prior years. Lots of old cars of every type and lots of people.
I will be there with my 70 Javelin SST(frost white). If you see it stop and
we can and talk.

For all you folks living near Sioux Falls, SD, on June 21 (Wednesday) there
is a big show on the downtown area streets. Several blocks will be blocked
off
and many, many cars on display. Live entertainment. Cars begin parking at
5:30.
Phillips Ave. downtown.

Armand



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