From: Brien NEW YORK eagle registry #501 "SOOoooooooooh... lemme get this straight - John.....: You're saying - someones Custom Ride should Automatically Disappoint Judges Prior to Judging them - since it is something l'ess' - due that they are not in Stock / Stock Modified AMC class ?" No, and please do get it straight. If the car is not stock, it should not be judged as being equal to stock in a stock class. Common sense if ever there was any. If you alter it, it needs to be in an appropriate class (which I'm all for creating if it doesn't already exist). The 'disappointment' comment was originated by Jim, on the other side of the discussion. I simply turned the word back on itself to show that even a defender of the non-AMC-engined-AMCs is disappointed when he doesn't see an AMC plant in it...and judges should similarly mark the vehicle down when against AMC-powered AMCs. But, then, I can also see the far side of the argument, and it goes like this- This all reminds me of the (sorry, ladies) B.S. of women suing to get access to men's clubs, teams other other organizations. A woman sees a men's health club, is denied entry and sues to get access- and wins. A man tries to join a women's health club, and is shut right out. If he sues, he's laughed at. The old 'what's hers is hers, and what's his is hers'. So much for equality. Show the car where it's appreciated. Don't ask existing venues to change for your car. Why not go all the way and have a section for Non-AMC-powered Non-AMCs? You could bring your Honda-powered Honda Civic, slap an AMO badge on the grille and you then start taking the trophies from the SC/360s and MACHINES. After all, your 2005-model is MINT and ALL-STOCK, right down to the salesman still in the passenger seat from this morning's test drive! Makes more sense to me to start a Non-AMC-powered AMC club and hold your own meets. Don't pile in after the hard work is done by others, then expect to reap the end product for yourself. Anyway- that's the radically 'AGAINST' viewpoint. It's valid, but I don't think it's necessary to heed. I've said repeatedly that a separate class for them sounds workable. Never said don't alter it. Never said don't show it. Never said don't judge it. As for the rest of your note that follows, I'll have to await the english translation. It's entirely too esoteric for my caffeine-less brain this morning. :) John "Who is flunking' Jury Duty ? Any Ancestry from Montgomery Alabama in YOUR background ? NavelLint? ! Wait ! OK_OK...... Got It !: So : ................. you have Surgery & you wake up finding mosey puss has been facilitated & the nurse starts hitting on you........while her hand is under the Blankets (!)..! Wait_Wait ! ... ( a friends AMC rolls out from a stop light next to another American Made Muscle Car - and puts it away coming out of third gear as "The Duce" is half way thru 2nd - cause friend has a 6 speed Auto Trans............ and all she sees are AMC Taillights......... !Ohh.....Let that one be a FORD! rriGHT? How much yak will friend get when p'op the hoodlum' to find a Turbo 4.0 attached to the 6spd. ? eehyy....... not much - might get asked for an extra Adapter ! OOHhhhh - but let that Bonnet pop & out spring the Image of an all Aluminum 4.7 Quad Cammed - Fuel Injected V8 sporting AMC Badges - just for *GRINS*- - an engine friend can shift @ 8,000rpm - & you're...walking away pippin' Prozak ? Well 2bbl. 360 & a M'onster Tach' makes it right and is a very real Option ! You know , I WOULD NEVER change anything outside of the OEM - on a '37 Packard Roadster......... or a '56 Clipper Super Coupe! And I'll ALWAYS smile at those Perfectly Stock White & Black Eagle Kammbacks - with Stars & Stripes Flag neatly folded and Displayed on the Spare... - [..cough..] BUT - ....... as frens in Lock & Load mode - Triggering Fuel Pumps against Line Pressure Up_Oil Up_ Ignition - you won't find thoughts of T'ickleing' the BBD anywhere in the rack. Nah-Nah-Nah....... ain't mEeeeE! I'm the fellow dumping that Quart of Quaker State mostly in the valve cover of that AMC mostly Factory Stock 258 ! Obviously - f'riend' won't be in Stock nor Stock Modified > THE defining factor as to AMC engined or Not for those of you who are still searching - the C'lass' Delineating is still 'Stock'. P'ure' Stock is for the Maschocistic Trembling Few - who go for Showroom Fresh - as from the Factory right down to Paint Overspray ............ and Damned! I'll be cheering you on as I love History Too ! Remember T-Rex ? Buhhht .... you got that 40 CD changer in the Trunk spinning 'Eddie Money' - next to that T'hree Hundred Dollar' NOS bumper Jack which still sports the AMC Factory Assemblers finger prints that you Hermetically sealed on by burning CrazyGlue in a Trash Bag while holding the Jack with Pipe Cleaners - like you saw on Forensic Files ......... ? - uh uh uHHuuu ! Better park that Dog Dish sprouting' stripper with the 'Roll-Ups' over by the Diesel Generators ! In the Kustom show area , you'll notice a Shift between Capability Players and Capacity Players - Not in Stock nor Outa' Modified Stock - nope, juss Le'Jitt in Klass Kustom, Yeazzer.......... & I'll see YOU on the Fields of Honor. Brien. NEW YORK eagle registry #501 eagle kammback registry"