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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Weird charging system problems (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
2. Re: American project updates/ 3 questions
(markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
3. Re: Various Axles - S-10 Axle Option!!
(markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
4. Re: Weird charging system problems (farna@xxxxxxx)
5. Re: The Damn Car Still Has Teething Pain's (farna@xxxxxxx)
6. Re: American project updates/ 3 questions (farna@xxxxxxx)
7. Re: Various Axles - S-10 Axle Option!! (Sandwich Maker)
8. Re: motorola alternator rebuild info (Sandwich Maker)
9. Re: The Damn Car Still Has Teething Pains (Mr. AMC)
10. Re: The Damn Car Still Has Teething Pains
(markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
11. Re: Various Axles - S-10 Axle Option!!
(markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
12. Re: American project updates/ 3 questions
(markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
13. Re: Seeing my GT ( small version ) at.... (Tom Jennings)
14. Re: The Damn Car Still Has Teething Pain's (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 5:55:05 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Weird charging system problems
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On my 69 this ground wire mounts to the firewall just above the master over towards the drivers fender slightly. When I installed the Wrangler EFI on mine I used the 10 qauge wire in it's harness to make a complete copper ground circuit from this point to the engine block and battery grounds giving the car a full copper ground circuit.
steel is good conductor , copper is better! Instead of the basic short ground cable on the trunk mounted battery, mine also runs a 2 qauge cable all the way to the engine block.
your mileage may vary!
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Mark Price
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Morgantown, WV
---- Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> <snip>
> >Some AMCs have a weird ground wire from the dash that seems to come back
> >into the engine compartment and bolts to the firewall. Never owned one
> >of those, couldn't tell you where it is!
> <snip>
>
> That ground wire is for the dash and if it's loose or corroded, your dash
> gauges will act weird. I had a problem with this on my 68 American and the
> problems ranged from no dash lights to fuel and temp gauge reading at the
> high end of their range when the headlights were on.
>
> As an aside, you did check to see if the alternator was acting normally
> with something other than the gauges in your dash, correct? Besides being
> inaccurate from the start, they could also be bad.
>
> Matt
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 7:13:57 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] American project updates/ 3 questions
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232 does indeed use the same type setup, small round plate between crank and converter. starter ring teeth on converter. I've got round plates here, should have two or three laying around. Or just take the cracked one and have a shop make you one.
Do they interchange between the 196 and the 232 style engines??? I don't know. I think so. I know the converters are different though. Starter ring is smaller on the 196. 199-232 are the same.
Mark Price
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Morgantown, WV
---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> On April 17, 2006 Mike Kindle wrote:
>
> I don't recall a problem with the 232 flexplate, just the one for the 196. They get brittle and crack with age. The early 232 may use the same type flexplate. Can't get to Tripod sites from work, may look once I get home.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 7:22:37 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Various Axles - S-10 Axle Option!!
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The only thing I wish I could have kept out of my 01 Crewcrap S-10 was it's rear axle! 3:73 posi, Disc brakes with the internal emergancy brake setup!
It was a fairly common setup under the Crewcab 4X4. All that I looked at when I bought it new had the 3:73 in them, discs brakes standard, Posi optional, but most dealers ordered them with the posi. Search for a totalled 4X4 crewcab S-10. If your buying steel wheels look for a dual pattern wheel, or have it redrilled to 4 1/2" from the 4 3/4" GM pattern.
I wish I'd have measured the width of the axle before getting rid of the truck.
Second tank of gas almost gone on the Dakota, Still getting better mileage with the 4.7 5 speed than the 4.3 auto did in the S-10!
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Mark Price
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Morgantown, WV
---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Jim, I know that the S-10 rear axle is the correct fit for a 58-63 American, and should be close for a 64-69. I wonder if it would be the right size for an XJ/MJ?? A 4.3L model should be strong enough. I think the four cylinder model is even stronger than a D35 or AMC 15.
>
>
> On April 16, 2006 Jim B wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for an XJ or MJ Model 20 rear diff (complete with axles and
> > preferrably 3.73 gears, which only the 4 cyl 4 speeds came with AFAIK) to
> > put in my COmanche. Most go with a Ford 8.8", but those are power and
> > clearance robbers (I can brace the Model 20 easily enough with a skid plate
> > built in)
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:06:36 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Weird charging system problems
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Make sure there's a good ground strap from the engine block to the body also. On most AMCs this is from an engine mount bolt to the crossmember, but can be on any engine/body bolt. Should be at least the same size as the battery ground cable, but can be an uninsulated woven strap. Some people have run the dash ground wire to the block to solve problems -- this is usually due to a bad or marginal engine/body ground. Even the older cars sometimes benefit from this due to corrosion in dash to body joints or more likely a marginal/bad engine/body ground cable/strap.
On April 18, 2006 Matt Haas wrote:
> <snip>
> >Some AMCs have a weird ground wire from the dash that seems to come back
> >into the engine compartment and bolts to the firewall. Never owned one
> >of those, couldn't tell you where it is!
> <snip>
>
> That ground wire is for the dash and if it's loose or corroded, your dash
> gauges will act weird. I had a problem with this on my 68 American and the
> problems ranged from no dash lights to fuel and temp gauge reading at the
> high end of their range when the headlights were on.
>
> As an aside, you did check to see if the alternator was acting normally
> with something other than the gauges in your dash, correct? Besides being
> inaccurate from the start, they could also be bad.
>
> Matt
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:26:59 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] The Damn Car Still Has Teething Pain's
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Could be that the squeaky bushings are slightly tighter than the older ones Doc. I've never had any squeaks from the poly sway bar bushings on my car, nor did I get any from the strut rod bushings when I ran them 50/50 (poly in front, rubber in back -- allows more flexibility but still better control in forward motion). I didn't use ANY lubricant when installing.
On April 19, 2006 Mr. AMC wrote:
> Tom I have the same bushing's in my other Hornet for 3-4 years now and
> they only squeak a very little now and then in extremely cold weather
> "Doc"
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:02:47 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] American project updates/ 3 questions
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Mark, AFAIK the 196/199/232 used the same diameter ring gear up through 1971... 153 tooth? Anyway, that's the "small" bell housing. In 72 the 232 was bigger, went to the V-8 size bell though.
On April 19, 2006 markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 232 does indeed use the same type setup, small round plate between crank and converter. starter ring teeth on converter. I've got round plates here, should have two or three laying around. Or just take the cracked one and have a shop make you one.
> Do they interchange between the 196 and the 232 style engines??? I don't know. I think so. I know the converters are different though. Starter ring is smaller on the 196. 199-232 are the same.
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:32:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Various Axles - S-10 Axle Option!!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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" ---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
" Jim, I know that the S-10 rear axle is the correct fit for a 58-63
" American, and should be close for a 64-69. I wonder if it would be
" the right size for an XJ/MJ?? A 4.3L model should be strong enough.
" I think the four cylinder model is even stronger than a D35 or AMC 15.
the jeeps are wider, close to the eagle's width iirc.
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:41:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] motorola alternator rebuild info
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" From: farna@xxxxxxx
"
" Randy Tate sent me this link a few months ago. Now that the subject of Motorola alternators has come back up some of you may find it handy. I suggest you download the file and save it! Matt, you might want to put it on the amcyclopedia.net site.
"
" --
" Frank Swygert
" Publisher, "American Independent
" Magazine" (AIM)
" For all AMC enthusiasts
" http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
" (free download available!)
"
" -------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
" From: "Tate, Randy" <Randall.Tate@xxxxxxxxx>
" >
" > http://www.electricalrebuilders.org/techlib/techbasics/techbasicsmotorola.pdf
not there anymore. '404 not found'
anyone saved a copy?
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:35:54 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] The Damn Car Still Has Teething Pains
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There is nothing loose or worn after taking anything apart and lubeing
every thing. I am just going to drive it and let everything just work
itself in.The car has barely been drive 1,000 miles in the last 1 1/2
years. It sat for 11 months in my friends shop last year for the
interior. Let it squeak I don't care any more. I am driving it now. I
just didn't want anything to break, fall off, puncture the gas tank and
destroy the car or break down and leave me stranded. Tomorrow it goes
for a hand wash job and a interior vacuumed. I am now going back to the
grill resto. I want it done by the end of the month. I got complimented
again as I was at the gas station on the cars looks and by my friend at
his body shop who has not seen the car for almost 2 years.
"Doc"
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:24:33 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] The Damn Car Still Has Teething Pains
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Cc: "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx>
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Makes me wonder when/if mine will start squeaking!
I haven't done the rear yet, just the front. I'm thinking of going back to rubber on the upper control arms as it is pretty rough riding, could be the V-8 springs and 205/60/15 tires too! Handles great for a 30+ year old car though! No sway bar needed!
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Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> There is nothing loose or worn after taking anything apart and lubeing
> every thing. I am just going to drive it and let everything just work
> itself in.The car has barely been drive 1,000 miles in the last 1 1/2
> years. It sat for 11 months in my friends shop last year for the
> interior. Let it squeak I don't care any more. I am driving it now. I
> just didn't want anything to break, fall off, puncture the gas tank and
> destroy the car or break down and leave me stranded. Tomorrow it goes
> for a hand wash job and a interior vacuumed. I am now going back to the
> grill resto. I want it done by the end of the month. I got complimented
> again as I was at the gas station on the cars looks and by my friend at
> his body shop who has not seen the car for almost 2 years.
> "Doc"
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:27:19 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Various Axles - S-10 Axle Option!!
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It would be nice to have an axle file with every D@#Ned axle known to mans wheel flange to wheel flange width listed!
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Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " ---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> " Jim, I know that the S-10 rear axle is the correct fit for a 58-63
> " American, and should be close for a 64-69. I wonder if it would be
> " the right size for an XJ/MJ?? A 4.3L model should be strong enough.
> " I think the four cylinder model is even stronger than a D35 or AMC 15.
>
> the jeeps are wider, close to the eagle's width iirc.
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:33:31 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] American project updates/ 3 questions
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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There was something smaller! When my dad and I swapped the 71 258 and 69 trans iin my 65 440 hardtop he took a NOS converter off the dealerships shelf they had no use for and we put it together. When we tryed to start it the starter whirred and did not engage the flywheel! I was mad! My dad was like, oh well, I'll pull the trans and use another converter. Once it was out it was evident that the ring on the first converter was smaller than the 232 one we had taken out was. we used the converter that came from the 69 trans in the end as our stock 65 trans had 216,000 miles on it!
IIRC dad looked up the NOS converter and it was from an early 60's application with a 196, but that was over 25 years ago so don't quote me on it!
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Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Mark, AFAIK the 196/199/232 used the same diameter ring gear up through 1971... 153 tooth? Anyway, that's the "small" bell housing. In 72 the 232 was bigger, went to the V-8 size bell though.
>
> On April 19, 2006 markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > 232 does indeed use the same type setup, small round plate between crank and converter. starter ring teeth on converter. I've got round plates here, should have two or three laying around. Or just take the cracked one and have a shop make you one.
> > Do they interchange between the 196 and the 232 style engines??? I don't know. I think so. I know the converters are different though. Starter ring is smaller on the 196. 199-232 are the same.
> > Mark Price
> > markprice242ATadelphia.net
> > Morgantown, WV
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:57:51 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Seeing my GT ( small version ) at....
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Cool!! Genuinely, Gremlin as icon.
On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 20:30, Jerry Casper wrote:
> You can view a small version of the ad version of my
> Gremlin GT at this Webdress :
>
> https://order.adsite.washpost.com/signon/place_an_ad.asp
>
> Not as impressive as the big ad, but still, now I'm in
> cyberspace as well. :)
>
> Jerry
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:01:14 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] The Damn Car Still Has Teething Pain's
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On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 01:29, Mr. AMC wrote:
> Tom I have the same bushing's in my other Hornet for 3-4 years now and
> they only squeak a very little now and then in extremely cold weather
> "Doc"
Well then, this might be the source of all the bad luck and
don't-get-a-break on your project car! -- you used up all your good
Car-ma getting those @#$!! f'mumble bushings to not squeak.
It's the only explanation, as it seems to be a design feature of that
blasted plastic.
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