RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin
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RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin





I tend to look at E85 as inexpensive race fuel.  If you plan on running only E85 then I would make the compression at least 11-1.  However, if you plan on switching back and forth with gas, 10.5-1 should be fine.  You could do 11-1 but you may need to run the premium if you switch back.  I used to run my motor with the 11.5-1 on premium, but on the hot days it would get some pinging, and it did run a bit hot.  E85 solved those problems, plus the exhaust fumes don't burn my eyes anymore.  I am stationed at Ft Benning and there is only 1 pump for at least 100 miles,(when prices rise ca be more than a dollar difference) but I only drive it in the area.  Before you convert that is another consideration.  I know I can run premium, so I carry another carb in case I need to run gas.  You could get away with changing the jets, but I hve a carb tuned just for the E85.  All I have to do in a pinch is while I fillup, swap carbs.  Never had to yet, I watch the fuel gauge like a hawk.

Daniel J. Peters


 

To: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: edveneck@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:10:09 -0700
Subject: RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin

 
Daniel
Thanks for the info.  As far as the float goes, mine is brass, so there should not be an issue.  As far as the compression ratio goes, I was planning on running 10.5 - 1, but now I'm not sure if this will be high enought.  Do you think I should go to 11 - 1 ??
Ed

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, DANIEL PETERS <danpeters1@msn.com> wrote:

From: DANIEL PETERS <danpeters1@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin
To: baadassgremlins@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 6:46 AM

 
I hate to say it but currently I have a 351W stroked to 434.  Just so we are clear someday there will be a 401 in it.  I was not worried about mileage, either.  I ran the aeroquip also.  Ihave a fuel cell, and electric pump outside.  I have seen one problem with the sending unit that was for gas, the float swelled and got stuck.  I bought a universal one and works great.  This is not a flex fuel vehicle I only run E85, and it runs great.  The carb is built for racing so when it is cold it takes a bit to warm up.  But I am so satisfied with E85 that as long as I have access to it I will continue to run it.  Rubbing alcohol will not be a good test.  It is a different alcohol.  Fuel lines and such that are rated for alcohol are rated for methanol, which is more corrosive than ethanol.  I have some components that are not rated for alcohol and have had no problems.  So far all of the negative stuff that I have heard about E85 has not been true.  I have awesome performance, decent milage and get more power.  The flex fuel vehicles do not get as good mileage because they are tuned to run both fuels.  If you run a higer compression you will seethat it will run well.  Another thing the motor runs way cooler.  Saab makes a flex fuel that gets the same mileage on gas as on E85.  The best part the ethanol is made here in the US not imported from the Middle east.  Dont believe all of th negative hype, but count on slighly less mileage but more power.

Daniel J. Peters


 

To: BaadAssGremlins@ yahoogroups. com
From: edveneck@yahoo. com
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:24:21 -0700
Subject: RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin

 
What size motor do you have?  I'm building a 401 for my Gremlin, with a 4 speed and 3.70 gears, so gas mileage is the last thing that I'm worried about.  I have a few friends that run straight alcohol in their dirt track stock cars because they get more HP from it, so I figure E85 would be great for the street.  Replacing all the fuel lines is no big deal, because I was planning on using Aeroquip lines, but I was concerned about the fuel filter that is in the tank on the pick-up line.  I have the sending unit out of the tank right, so I think I'll soak it in some rubbing alcohol and see what happens.
Ed

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, DANIEL PETERS <danpeters1@msn. com> wrote:

From: DANIEL PETERS <danpeters1@msn. com>
Subject: RE: [BaadAssGremlins] Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin
To: baadassgremlins@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:30 PM

 
I run E85 in mine.  I bought a carb from E85carbs.com out of minn.  He will tune the carb to the specs of your engine.  I also completely changed the fuel system.  The older fuel lines will not handle ethanol.  My car runs awesome on it.  I am running a 11.5:1 compression ratio.  There are some things you must do to a motor to run e-85 efficently.  High compression is one.  As far as mileage, not terrible for a street driven racecar, I average 13 around town and that is because I cant keep my foot out of the accellerator.  Not sure hwy miles never took it on a trip yet.  there are not many e-85 stations in the south, unlike the midwest.

Daniel J. Peters


 

To: BaadAssGremlins@ yahoogroups. com
From: eddiestakes@ planethoustonamx .com
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:29:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin

 

I don't know how many pumps, or stations actually use that E85 stuff, but when I go put gas, especially at lower end places like Cash Gas or Citgo, (not all Citgos either, they are indepentially owned) but has the E85 decal. Hell, it could be Dome Foam from old Astrodome putting in there.
On the high octane stuff, the reason I mentioned V-Power at Shell and Chevron's Techron is because the jets in the Eagle's carbs used to get plugged up with anything BUT those two types of gas. Yellow spuuge form on them and either die at stop signs or low idle, but getting them idle was tough, even with new carb. I took two of my Eagles to different mechanics on the carb problems, and both suggested try those types of higher end gas.
 
Granted, to me it is probably same big tank underground, and three different pumps and they screw you on premium, but getting crawfish boil. But the Eagles *really* perked up with the higher end gas mentioned above. And the carbs didn't need spraying once a month.
 
I don't know about the E85 eating up gas lines, but the poison crap MTBE used to eat gas lines up and boy, once a year or less one would have to replace all gas lines, from near tank, to near pump, above engine, it would just crack them out really bad. My 82 Eagle had engine fire I mentioned here, several years ago, the plastic valve cover leaked, and the gas lines went and it was fireball.
 
I need to clairy something I said about E85 though, while there ARE a number of places like Kroger that sell E85 in Houston....
 
 
the stuff I use is a mix of E85 and whatever else they put in it to make it 1/2 combustible. So not true E85 I am running in my AMCs mentioned, but a mix. Hope this helps clairfies that!
 
No, Terry, don't know how well it sells or how many people use it, as I am not sure anyone tracks that, much less the small mom and pop places I frequent with cheaper "cut" gas, currently about $2.51 a gallon here, hey, we make the stuff like moonshine in Houston, 28% of US capacity.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin

Until Eddie said he uses it and found no problems I would say I wouldn't use it. I did a little research when it first showed up around here to use in my daily driver and I didn't like what I found. First the 105 octane is not suppose to be a true figure. They use a different formula to figure it. If you use the same formula they use for gas it is around 94 octane. Second they said you would have to change out every piece of rubber hose you have for gas lines because the alcohol will eat the rubber up. Third they said people with electric fuel pumps especially ones in the gas tanks have to be very care that there is no arching because the fumes from the alcohol where blow a lot easier than gas, Fourth the flex fuel cars get about 5 miles per gallon less using the E85 and performance suffers. Fifth like you said it is a dollar cheaper per gallon and there are quite a few new cars that can use it and I never see anyone at the E85 pump and see the ones with flex fuel on them at the gas pumps.  That is just what I found. Like I said though if Eddie is using it in his AMC's and he isn't having any problems then I would say go for it. One question for Eddie though are a lot of people using it in Texas? Just through my observations the Kerosene pumps see more action than the E85 pumps around here.
Terry


From: Ed Veneck <edveneck@yahoo. com>
To: Gremlin list <BaadAssGremlins@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 2:14:47 PM
Subject: [BaadAssGremlins] Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin

 
Is anyone running E85 in their Gremlin or any other older car?  I picked up a 650 Holley at a swap meet Sunday that is set-up to run alcohol.  Since I have not installed any of the fuel system in my Gremlin yet, I was thinking about converting it to E85.  It's about a $1.00 a gal cheaper, rated at 105 octane, and it runs cleaner than gas.
Has anyone done this yet?
Ed










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