Found this while looking up Hooker headers silver coating from the 1970s to see what all the fuss aboout as never heard of it, any headers I used were just that, headers, no extras. Thought would ahre this 'darkside' ditty below here, sort of relevant. I also always thought that moving to the dark side meant someone jumped from brand x to AMC.... Coating Breakthrough Hooker Darkside ApplicationsBuy em plain and have em jet hot coated yourself. I woulda never trust whatever header maker's shit they put on their stuff. plus if i'm gonna piss away 800$ for a set of headers they better be f'n gold plated
Bart
In a message dated 2/22/2010 5:59:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eddiestakes@ planethoustonamx .com writes:
Hooker Darkside
Hooker Headers announces their new Darkside black-ceramic coating process, available on select header applications. This exclusive proprietary black ceramic coating offers the nostalgic look of the past as well as the aggressive look of a modern high-tech build. Darkside also offers a more refined texture and appearance than is possible from painted finishes. With a satin sheen, it has a more menacing look, yet also provides all the corrosion resistance of traditional silver ceramic. The Darkside coating also provides improved thermal resistance compared to traditional silver ceramic (1,700 degrees F versus 1,300 degrees F), making it good for supercharged or nitrous applications as well as for reduced underhood temperatures. Darkside coated headers are available for popular GM, Ford, and Chrysler muscle cars as well as some Chevy trucks. And because of different preparation and application techniques, the new Darkside headers are available at a slightly lower price than their silver ceramic counterparts.
2292-3HKR-GM LS1/LS2/LS6 in '55-57 Chevy engine swap headers, for use with stock steering box or Saginaw 605 steering box conversions
2293-3HKR- GM LS1/LS2/LS6 in '55-57 Chevy engine swap headers, for use with Unisteer aftermarket rack-and-pinion steering
2451-3HKR-265- 400 S.B Chevy, '65-70 full-size passenger car, '64-87 Chevelle/El Camino, '70-87 Monte Carlo, '68-79 Chevy II/ Nova, '67-69 Camaro
2452-3HKR-265- 400 S.B. Chevy, '63-87 2WD truck, Blazer, Suburban
2453-3HKR-265- 400 S.B. Chevy, '67-87 4WD truck, Blazer, Suburban
2455-3HKR-396- 502 B.B. Chevy, '71-74 full-size passenger car, '64-74 Chevelle/El Camino, '70-74 Monte Carlo, '70-72 Camaro
2457-3HKR-396- 502 B.B. Chevy, '65-70 full-size passenger car, '68-74 Chevy II/Nova, '67-69 Camaro
2460-3HKR-265- 400 S.B. Chevy, '82-92 Camaro
2466-3HKR-283- 400 S.B. Chevy, '71-94 full-size passenger car, '64-87 Chevelle/El Camino, '70-87 Monte Carlo, '68-79 Chevy II/Nova, '67-81 Camaro. Compact design to provide increased ground clearance.
5901-3HKR-273- 360 S.B. Chrysler, all '67-82 B- and E-bodies (A- and F-bodies)
5903-3HKR-383- 440 Chrysler, all '67-74 B- and E-bodies, '70-74 Challenger/Barracud a, 400 Chrysler, '75 Chrysler Cordoba
6901-3HKR-255- 302W S.B. Ford, '66-73 Falcon/Fairlane/ Torino/Ranchero/
Cyclone/Montego, '64-73 Mustang/Cougar, '66-69 Comet, '70-77 Maverick, 351W S.B. Ford '67-73 Mustang/Fairlane/ Cougar
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Veneck
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] I just don't understand the stupid people on ebay
I know first hand what you mean by cheap imported steel. I my job working on industrial laser, I encounter this a lot. I customer is having trouble cutting all of a sudden, thinking something is wrong with the laser, they call me, most of the time it they have switch suppliers and are now getting this imported crap. I normally have them get a sheet of goos steel, and evrything worgs fine again.
Ed
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@ planethoustonamx .com> wrote:
From: Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@ planethoustonamx .com>
Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] I just don't understand the stupid people on ebay
To: BaadAssGremlins@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:13 PM
Hi Ed, for some reason I thouht those headers that sold on ebay were chrome, I'll have to go back and look at link. I think there are several things here also worth mentioning, years ago, the paint and coatings everyone used is probably not as good as the stuff being made to today as technology has come a long way with heat coatings, ect.
On the other hand, there are a lot of metal products I would rather have from the 1970s.....used, as opposed to the cheap sh*t Vietnamese and Chinese metal that have flooded the market in recent years. A example here would be cat converters. I had several NOS ones and saved them, to use on my own cars that required them. When taking them to the muffler shop to install, each muffler shop told me 'man, they don't make them like that anymore' just being good, solidly built American piece as compared to the McChinese ones they sold and would have used on my car, which would have been good for maybe 3-5 years max before failing.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Veneck
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] I just don't understand the stupid people on ebay
Eddie
I know that the spirit of the auction will also drive up a price. I know that I have seen it many times when I used to sell a lot on ebay. As for the silver paint, I put a set of these headers on my 72 304 Gremlin back in 1973, I beleive that I paid around $125.00 for them, which back than I was only making around $3.00 an hrs, preping new AMC. But the header started to rust a few weeks after i installed them, so I removed them and cleaned them with a wirewheel and painted them with Hi Temp paint, using that they stayed nice for about year, Aftyer that I said the hell with it, because it was a go car, not a show car. The point is is that the paint from that time was that great.
Ed
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@ planethoustonamx .com> wrote:
From: Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@ planethoustonamx .com>
Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] I just don't understand the stupid people on ebay
To: BaadAssGremlins@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:35 AM
There are whole range of factors at work here. And not confined to ebay only, hell, you can find them at swap meets, craigslist, even live auctions
There are people out there who don't do research on items. A good case would be that 69 BBG AMX that appeared on my AMC Classifieds last year for $10K/obo in Arlington, TX. Suddenly it was in Wylie, TX and on ebay for $18K/obo. So dragging it across a few counties cost $8K! It still didn't sell and last I saw it was in ebay hell, that is, those cars that take up residency on ebay week after week, price slowly dropping week after week, everyone tired of seeing them while owner, or seller, tries to make $$$.
Not against capitalism at all, but possibly the buyer of the headers wanted that chrome paint, as opposed to the black hi temp paint on the Jegs site?
How about that used Nintendo NES that sold for $13,105 on ebay? That one game there, there are only 10 copies in world known to exist.
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