No arguing here...just curious if there was ever a 'firm' criteria to make them, since the Feds and DMV often have to mark their documentation with such specs. New Jersey Uses the slightly-more-precise '2DR' and '4DR', bypassing the whole issue by simply counting doors (which raises other oddballs like hatchbacks that are sometimes referred to as '3-doors', and those goofy Saturn 3-door 'coupes'... or whatever!). <And now, a side trip...> [Everyone recall the Pacer having a longer passenger side door to make letting kids in and out on the CURB SIDE easier and safer?? Now, recall the Saturn commercials introducing the 3-door coupe a few years ago? They pushed the kiddie- entry-and-exit convenience, too...but note that they showed this happening always in a DRIVEWAY. Why? Cuz the idiots put the extra door on the STREET-SIDE. Duh. Guess they assume we all have a driveway and never park at the curb.] <...and back on track...> My own tweak is using the rear-half's styling as a tie- breaker of sorts. If the rear window to trunk/hatchlid 'line' (viewed from the side) is indistinguishable (no abrupt fold or crease between them, forming any variation of a 'notch') *AND* it's got two side doors...it's a coupe. If any form of notchback styling is evident, it's a sedan, regardless of the number of doors. Using only AMCs for this example, this would then give us: 68-74 Javelin and AMX: coupe. Rogue: sedan Rebel: sedan 71-73 Matador 2 and 4 door: sedan 74-78 4-door: sedan 74-78 2-door: coupe Hornet hatchback: coupe Hornet 2 and 4 door notchback: sedan Gremlin: coupe Pacer hatchback: coupe These seem to me better applications of the terms. 'Coupe' just suggests to me a more slippery/sporty shape, and fast- backs suggest it best (to me). John -----Original Message----- From: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Regardless of whether it has a pillar or not, this is what they called it, so leave it be. Speaking of leaving it alone and finding something else to argue, reinvent, rename,... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks & Giving.' http://us.click.yahoo.com/6iY7fA/5WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/YtqqlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BaadAssGremlins/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BaadAssGremlins-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/