Doc, 4-doors are automatically not Muscle Cars, and since the term wasn't coined until around 1964, it wouldn't retroactively apply even if it had been a two-door. Mom's Plymouth was a Car with lots of Muscle...but not a Muscle Car, as defined. As for the trade in, that might be why you're still here! Dad saw that fire in your eyes and thought 'whoa, buddy!' Hey- after I left your place, I made lousy time getting to Smithtown yesterday, and left there at 3:50PM to head back to Jersey. I was expecting Hell on Earth as I got on the L.I.E., but would you believe I arrived home less than 2 hours later...with rush hour in New York!! That's gotta be a record! John -----Original Message----- From: AMC74HORNET@xxxx [mailto:AMC74HORNET@xxxx] My mothers 57 Plymouth 4 door sedan was a Muscle Car. It really did have a 392 Hemi in it. To bad my father traded it in on a 62 Rambler Classic 6 months before I got my drivers license. "Doc"