Yes, the Pacer was well ahead of it's time and now a slew of vehicles ont he road have copied it's bodystyle from Toyota, Lexus, GM, Ford, everything looks like fat Pacers. Next time you see a butt end of a Lexus SUV, or Infinity SUV, look at the lines of it, take off the emblems and it could pass for a 2004 Pacer wagon. The Mercedes E series stole, literally, the front look off the 78-80 Pacer. Someone here find me a front shot of a 78-80 Pacer and a 98-up Mercedes E series and compare them, it is striking. And Mercedes touted it was 'a bold new design' Bold new design my ass, but I guess since we are, uh, 'related' to Mercedes via Chrysler via AMC, that is ok. Some of the slogans too chap my butt, a few years ago Honda was using 'built for the human race' which AMC was using in 64-65 (very similiar!); Suburu was using more recently 'the beauty of all whell drive' stolen from the 80 Eagle 'the beauty of four wheel drive'; and Pontiac was using 'wider is better' no, not talking about my ex wife, but AMC used a almost identical slogan in 1974-75 to intro the Pacer! amazing how some of these high paid goons sitting around getting paid to come of with slogans simply go diggin in old AMC literature I guess. As for the front end, what is mostly desirable is the rack and pinion of the Pacer, hot rodders love them. I have sold 3 pacers to people to butcher only for the rack and pinions. Granted, I got tired of running ads and no one wanted a Pacer, like that yellow 76 X in 1998 for $250, or the gold 79 in 1999 for $450. Ads ran for months locally and nationally, and all I did was put together a list of people who called wanting the front end, and not the rest. One guy beat my own deadline by 2 days, as I had a little yellow Pacer in my garage with blown 258, but it had tons of new stuff like exhaust, tach, waterpump, carpet, and I kept the $1400 of new rims/tires on it however, that is all I wanted. But I tried to sell this thing for months and had to move it and set a deadline to have it towed to the scrapyard. Complete. And this fellow saw my ad and called and I told him come by, he came by with truck and gave me $150 for it, hauled the compelte car to Hempstead, TX, and promptly yanked off the R&P for his 50 Ford Truck. But I get calls all the time from rodders wanting Pacer rack and pinions, I'm told it is the best out there. Sadly, on the other hand the R&P might be more desirable thant the whole car, at least a few Pacers mentioned above! I also wish to comment that in my humble opinion, there are only two cars AMC produced that people remember. Pacer & Gremlin. Yes, some goons add those to their 'most ugly lists' but again, they never would dare add ANY of those newer models mentioned above that stole AMC design lines to their most ugly lists, imagine advertisers bailing out right and left...... Eddie Stakes' Planet Houston aMX www.planethoustonamx.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMC74HORNET@xxxx> To: <BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] Pacer brakes fit 74 gremlin? I have heard people on the AMX Files saying that they have used Pacer brakes in conversions on other AMC's. I would imagine if the spindles unbolted you cold swap the setup in a Gremlin. We need Eddie to chime in here and I believe he has sold complete Pacer front ends to the street rodder boys in the past. The Pacer was a car way ahead of it's time and would fit in right now if it was made with a rotary engine. "Doc" Yahoo! Groups Links