Bart That's cool, a lot of folks don't realize that it is possible to get into fling so cheaply. My total investment in my Kitfox is just a hair over $20,000. That a lot lest than most people pay for a new car. I also spread this cost out over the 6 years that it took to built it. It?s a two place high wing with a top speed of 110 kts. and burns 3.5 gals/hr. Pretty cheap to run! Also, the wings fold back, and I have a trailer for it, so I can keep it at home, and not have to pay hanger fees, which run about $150 to $200 a month in this area. As far as my Gremlin goes, I brought a new 72 ?X? V-8, 3 speed after high school. I traded in a 66 GTO on it. I had it for 4 years and in that time I installed a 401, 4-speed out of a total AMX, in it. Added headers and a Toker intake, and let me tell you, that car was a hell of alot faster than my GTO, hands down. I sold it because a tried my hand at the local dirt tracks. It would have been little hard to tow a stock car with a Gremlin, so I sold it and got a truck. Let me tell you first hand, if you want to throw away money, go stock car racing. So now I?m looking for another 72 Gremlin ?X? so I can relive my younger days, and prove to my friends, just how fast that car. Best of luck on all of your projects Ed well i was thinking cessna twin engined or somting LOL i guess your airplane has GREMLIN type roots as > well i was joking around earlier also i meant no > offence > Bart > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com