Re: [AMC-list] Towing with an Eagle

[a440plus6 <a440plus6@xxxxxxxxx>]

I'm with Wrambler....Mopar people in the know have been removing their 727s
from their 340s and installing a stout built 904 (predecessor to 998) for
years to free up horse power and put less strain on engine. I have done a
few of these for 340s and Mopar 360s and never had a problem as long as you
do a rebuild with quality parts from someone like A&A Transmissions.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 3:00 PM, <amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Send AMC-list mailing list submissions to
>        amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>        http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>        amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>        amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of AMC-list digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: eagle towing capabilities (Eddie Stakes)
>   2. What type trans in 87 Grand Wagoneer? (Rocky Lear)
>   3. Re: What type trans in 87 Grand Wagoneer? (Greg Taylor)
>   4. Re: Little update on the Classic (Frank Swygert)
>   5. Re: What type trans in 87 Grand Wagoneer? (Rocky Lear)
>   6. Re: Towing with an Eagle (Jim Blair)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 18:50:10 -0500
> From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <baadassGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>        <iowaeagle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] eagle towing capabilities
> Message-ID: <659883CFF6414FB398BDE0B0CE99F290@piageedc1iqa5q>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>        reply-type=original
>
> Jesse, my 82 Eagle has a Class III (3) hitch on it and has towed a lot of
> AMC iron and
> trailers thru years. It has 210,000 miles on it now since 1994.
>
> http://www.planethoustonamx.com/Photo_Gallery_AMC/Picture_1168.jpg
>
> this is it hooked up the the U-Haul when the Houston chapter & me did the
> AMC national
> meete in 2001:
>
> http://www.planethoustonamx.com/amx_parts/Me_vending_2001_hou.jpg
>
> over 1 ton of stuff in that trailer. But it has towed cars twice it's
> weight. A Matador at
> 3800 lbs, a 74 Hornet wagon down to Corpus Christi, I could go on, over 30
> AMcs thru
> years, even pulled SUV's that are over 5000 lbs out of the ditches in this
> area after
> floods. No problems. The transmission has never been rebuilt either and is
> quite
> indestructible.
>
> Yes! Add a external transmission cooler.....heat kills trannies. I have big
> end to end
> external on it bought from O'Reillys in 1996 and been there since, makes
> huge difference.
> I also run the Eagle with no thermostat and no water, all anti freeze, zero
> water.
> Electric fans, you can fit two small Hyundai fans on this radiator, they
> are about $4 each
> at pick a parts, but also help out, especially in areas with extreme temps
> like here in
> Houston.....it was 102 degrees today and we just broke record for hottest
> June in Houston
> recorded history, even hitting 105 6 or so times, but the Eagle....which I
> drove today
> with one of my minions, never misses a beat. Didn't tow anything but this
> is a car that
> has taken a beating DAILY for almost 20 years and never complains. And
> driven daily in
> Houston traffic, whether traffic locked to standstill, or blowing around 24
> lanes on I-10
> at 80mph. Almost forgot to mention loaded a complete 401 in back of it a
> few months ago
> and drove home....it wasn't too happy about that, looked like it wanted to
> pop wheelie,
> but again, no complaints, and drove home about 60mph with complete intake
> to pan 401 in
> back, along with hubcaps, extra cranks and what not!
> Happy towing, have a great 4th of July,
> Eddie Stakes
> 713.464.8825
> eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.planethoustonamx.com
> =================================
>
> From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-list] Towing with an Eagle
>
> OK, so, there are a lot of advantages to the 998 trans, especially for
> performance/weight/mileage, however, if I was going to do consistent
> towing, I would
> upgrade a few things. ?
>
> 727 trans from an 80 up Wagoneer. ?Have it built for towing before you put
> it in and it
> will last forever, if you get your shifts points right with your kickdown
> linkage. ?You
> can ?keep your T/C and bolt right up or use a Wagoneer T/C and get a lo
> range with very
> little modification. ?
>
> Good tranny cooler. ?Lots of em out there, get one that fits.
>
> Electric fan with relay. ?a little more more power from your engine...
> better cooling,
> ?more versatility and your water pump will last forever! ?
>
> plenty to do for power, but this is a start. I have the trannys if you need
> one!?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 20:31:25 -0400
> From: "Rocky Lear" <lear31@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-list] What type trans in 87 Grand Wagoneer?
> Message-ID: <A0DE9AA7B73942D5B6ABFF43041C95AF@madmax1984PC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hey all! I've bought an 87 Grand Wagoneer and reverse is out. What type of
> automatic trans did these use? Can these be converted over to the TH400 amc
> case or what kind of can of worms would I open if I wanted to put a manual
> trans in it?
>
> Rocky
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <
> http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20110702/37b69f8a/attachment.htm
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 18:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Greg Taylor <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] What type trans in 87 Grand Wagoneer?
> Message-ID:
>        <1309655183.22928.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Rocky,
> Its a 727 trans in the GW, same as in the AMC cars, just for a 4WD
> transfercase.? You can pick up a trans from one of the GW guys over at
> www.ifsja.org ... conversion to a TH400 does not gain you anything.?
> Conversion to a stick (Like I'm doing) is a lot of work, unless you're
> planning to make a trail rig out of it.? IF you're just gonna drive it, I
> recommend sticking with the torqueflight 727.
>
> Sincerely,
> Greg Taylor?
> Rochester Hills, MI
> 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "TRMN8R2"
> 330-CID AMC Stroker V8
>
> From: Rocky Lear <lear31@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: [AMC-list] What type trans in 87 Grand Wagoneer?
>
> Hey all! I've bought an 87 Grand Wagoneer and reverse is out. What type of
> automatic trans did these use? Can these be converted over to the TH400 amc
> case or what kind of can of worms would I open if I wanted to put a manual
> trans in it?
>
> Rocky
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <
> http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20110702/37b69f8a/attachment.htm
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-list mailing list
> AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <
> http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20110702/d12e4e64/attachment.htm
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 21:16:54 -0400
> From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Little update on the Classic
> Message-ID: <4E0FC306.1030000@xxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Good going Joe! If the gauge reads full all the time and the sending unit
> is working you've got a dead ground in the wire somewhere. The yellow wire
> runs from the tank into the trunk, I think to the back left corner of the
> trunk (might be front left side corner in the sedan) and has a connector
> there. First place I'd look is where it goes through the trunk floor. The
> next connector is behind the left kick-panel. I think the yellow gauge wire
> is in the big 8 or 10 pin connector, don't recall for sure, but the wire
> does run right beside that connector. If the through the trunk wire is good
> I'd unplug it behind the kick panel and see if the gauge doesn't go down to
> E. Should be on E with no connection, F with a dead ground. That will tell
> you if the problem is between the kickpanel connector and gauge or connector
> and trunk.
>
> How does the temp gauge read though? If it reads high all the time the
> gauge regulator is probably bad. Overvoltage will casue the high reading
> too. Remember, that's a bi-metal "average" regulator -- it switches on and
> off fast to produce and average of 5V, not a constant 5V. If the regulator
> points are stuck the gauge is getting 10-12V (depending on resistance
> through the points) and will read high. If you have to pull the dash replace
> it with a steady 5V electronic regulator as per Tom's web site.
>
> ------------
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:21:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Joe Fulton<piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> I?have driven the 64 Classic in the neighborhood and the clutch job seems
> to be
> satisfactory so far.?? I'm trying to get it ready for the road.? It ran out
> of
> gas on the project pad the other night which was fortunate because I have
> been
> driving it a little in the neighborhood.? I'm glad it didn't happen
> there.?? The
> gas gauge reads full all the time.?
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://www.amc-mag.com
> (free download available!)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 22:12:15 -0400
> From: "Rocky Lear" <lear31@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Greg Taylor" <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx>, "AMC, Rambler, Nash,Jeep and
>        family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] What type trans in 87 Grand Wagoneer?
> Message-ID: <4E27A4967DCC46C2AA32A975835DF915@madmax1984PC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>        reply-type=original
>
> It's a snow plowing rig. Would manual or auto be better?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Taylor" <amundaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] What type trans in 87 Grand Wagoneer?
>
>
> Rocky,
> Its a 727 trans in the GW, same as in the AMC cars, just for a 4WD
> transfercase. You can pick up a trans from one of the GW guys over at
> www.ifsja.org ... conversion to a TH400 does not gain you anything.
> Conversion to a stick (Like I'm doing) is a lot of work, unless you're
> planning to make a trail rig out of it. IF you're just gonna drive it, I
> recommend sticking with the torqueflight 727.
>
> Sincerely,
> Greg Taylor
> Rochester Hills, MI
> 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "TRMN8R2"
> 330-CID AMC Stroker V8
>
> From: Rocky Lear <lear31@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: [AMC-list] What type trans in 87 Grand Wagoneer?
>
> Hey all! I've bought an 87 Grand Wagoneer and reverse is out. What type of
> automatic trans did these use? Can these be converted over to the TH400 amc
> case or what kind of can of worms would I open if I wanted to put a manual
> trans in it?
>
> Rocky
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <
> http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20110702/37b69f8a/attachment.htm
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-list mailing list
> AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <
> http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20110702/d12e4e64/attachment.htm
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-list mailing list
> AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 20:58:26 -0700
> From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Towing with an Eagle
> Message-ID: <SNT114-W348441AAC9F0C44B297AEEAC5D0@xxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I noticed the biggest difference between the 727 and 998 is the 998 has
> lower first and second gears. With a slightly higher stall and a lockup,
> they work quite nicely. The low power is due the tall gears crammed into the
> Eagle axle. The FSJs run the 258 and 727 with minimal issues and they are
> much heavier than Eagles, but have lower gearing.
> ?? I have personally torn up enough 998s to make many Eagle owners cry.
> Switching it to a 999 (which the FSJs came with) and a GOOD brazed neck
> torque converter is a great upgrade but co$t$ to do. 727 from a GW used was
> only $100 from the pic and pull yard. (Someone beat me to the tcase) I'm
> going to add efi later. Maybe even an AW4.
> ?? Not planning to do 1/4 mile times so shaving the weight off isn't as
> needed. The WJ already has EFI so it's power boosted yet restricted by it's
> gearing and the converter's power consumption.
>
>
> From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject:
> Message-ID:
>        <
> 69087637.178982.1309643657792.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Gotta say in my personal opinion you are taking an already questionably
> powered vehicle and sucking more power out of it with the 727. Do a high
> quality build and keep the 998.
> Big honkin trans cooler after rad cooler. trans temp gauge.
>  They are forgoing the 727's in a lot of drag cars, gotta believe with due
> care the 998 will do fine.
>   My WJ Jeeps trans is not known for it's long life, yet I tow with no
> issues and no burn't fluid. O/D off, big cooler, and still need to mount
> that gauge... The boat I tow is not light either 20' Rinker with a 305 efi
> 260hp SBC on a tandem axle trailer with surge brakes.
>
> You really need to be mechanically conscious of what is going on when you
> tow. Know what your drivelines limitations are and stay under them. If you
> drive it like you stole it you'll probably break something!
>
> Mark Price
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-list mailing list
> AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com
>
>
> End of AMC-list Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4
> ***************************************
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://list.amc-list.com/pipermail/amc-list-amc-list.com/attachments/20110703/98221ca7/attachment.htm>
_______________________________________________
AMC-list mailing list
AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com